Zeitgeist - Moving Forward (now online)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLLFpNn4lM

RELEASE: January 2011

SYNOPSIS: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, by director Peter Joseph, is a feature length documentary work which will present a case for a needed transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the entire world society. This subject matter will transcend the issues of cultural relativism and traditional ideology and move to relate the core, empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival, extrapolating those immutable natural laws into a new sustainable social paradigm called a "Resource-Based Economy".

Looks as though PJ has hired some actors in this one.

I predict a bigger response + this will go viral within weeks of being online. Zeitgeist Addendum got over 50 million views. The movement itself will be promoting the film through various regional chapters globally before it goes online so that Q + A sessions can take place between chapter members and the public.

I stopped after the first one. It was great but I haven't been keeping up.

  On 10/4/2010 at 10:10 AM, ZiggomaticV17 said:

I stopped after the first one. It was great but I haven't been keeping up.

you have not watched the trailer yet

meh.. the first one was filled with so much bullshit its hard to trust anything these guys say, even though they do have some good points..

  On 10/4/2010 at 10:17 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

meh.. the first one was filled with so much bullshit its hard to trust anything these guys say, even though they do have some good points..

it confuses me that people are quick to pass judgement but don't specifically state what they didn't like about the previous films

All I'd say is that the first Zeitgeist film is not linked with the movement. The affiliation is not there.

I will be watching this...

we are all slaves...

you're all better off watching they live.

  On 10/4/2010 at 10:08 AM, Bread said:

transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the entire world society.

  On 10/4/2010 at 11:11 AM, Atop said:

we are all slaves...

Another movie that tries to brainwash you, talking about all the brainwash going on? Not my cup of tea.

i wonder if they'll talk about some of the bads of "the core, empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival" or just continue to attribute every single viced human behaviour to the monetary system. i'm curious to see what they think are the "immutable natural laws" are. ususally the word natural law is used when one is arguing about the laws of god (morals).

  On 10/4/2010 at 4:02 PM, GORDO said:

i wonder if they'll talk about some of the bads of "the core, empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival" or just continue to attribute every single viced human behaviour to the monetary system. i'm curious to see what they think are the "immutable natural laws" are. ususally the word natural law is used when one is arguing about the laws of god (morals).

Rumours are that the well-respected psychiatrist and lecturer James Gilligan (author of Preventing Violence) with 25 years experience as a forensic psychiatrist will be in the film, falling in line with the movement's understandings of human behaviour, as well as Dr Robert Sapolsky who is a neuroscientist and lecturer at Stanford Univeristy in the US. Both agree with the terminology the movement uses when understanding how the system affects human behaviour. Richard Wilkinson, author of "The Spirit Level" will also be interviewed. The book he wrote was about how more unequal societies have a harder time in life than equal ones, thus attributing the monetary system as a cause for stress and social problems.

By the way, what we say is that natural law is - in and of itself - a "dictatorship" which we must understand and adhere to. You can not "vote out" in a so-called democratic fashion the law of gravity. If you don't eat you'll die -- that's a natual law. If you don't drink water, you'll also die -- again, another natural law. All very obvious, but not adhered to when it comes to the monetary system, as profit comes before human concern. We need a scientific direction -- orienting society in this way will be a lot better than things are now. Science is the most honest process of gathering and reviewing data/information, and getting feedback from the environment around us.

  On 10/4/2010 at 3:35 PM, gaarg said:

Another movie that tries to brainwash you, talking about all the brainwash going on? Not my cup of tea.

How would you define "brainwashed"? Are you not already brain washed in the way you think and the traditions you adhere to in life? A better word to use is "conditioning". We're all conditioned in society, you can't escape it. It's whether that conditioning produces sustainable values (as in, you value things in life that are scientifically sustainable and won't for example cause harm to others or the planet), or whether your value system is unsustainable (meaning whether you needlessly consume material possessions without consideration for anyone or anything else in the environment around you).

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:01 PM, Bread said:

  On 10/4/2010 at 4:02 PM, GORDO said:

i wonder if they'll talk about some of the bads of "the core, empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival" or just continue to attribute every single viced human behaviour to the monetary system. i'm curious to see what they think are the "immutable natural laws" are. ususally the word natural law is used when one is arguing about the laws of god (morals).

Rumours are that the well-respected psychiatrist and lecturer James Gilligan (author of Preventing Violence) with 25 years experience as a forensic psychiatrist will be in the film, falling in line with the movement's understandings of human behaviour, as well as Dr Robert Sapolsky who is a neuroscientist and lecturer at Stanford Univeristy in the US. Both agree with the terminology the movement uses when understanding how the system affects human behaviour. Richard Wilkinson, author of "The Spirit Level" will also be interviewed. The book he wrote was about how more unequal societies have a harder time in life than equal ones, thus attributing the monetary system as a cause for stress and social problems.

 

By the way, what we say is that natural law is - in and of itself - a "dictatorship" which we must understand and adhere to. You can not "vote out" in a so-called democratic fashion the law of gravity. If you don't eat you'll die -- that's a natual law. If you don't drink water, you'll also die -- again, another natural law. All very obvious, but not adhered to when it comes to the monetary system, as profit comes before human concern. We need a scientific direction -- orienting society in this way will be a lot better than things are now. Science is the most honest process of gathering and reviewing data/information, and getting feedback from the environment around us.

I understand their arguments, you don't have to reinforce the points, once again you are merely repeating the same thing you read or heard instead of being critical yourself. no one can disagree that a system can generate viced behavior, it can generate virtuous behavior too. have you thought about the implications of this when changing the system?.

with your definition natural law, you can find ways to go around them, when people find ways around them they're seen badly (amoral). i don't thing society can be oriented but that's a matter of discussion. once again i understand the points, I don't need them to be repeated to me once again. do you understand the criticism? do you see the lack of seriousness in this "project" when the possible bad outcomes are just ignored?

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:04 PM, Bread said:

  On 10/4/2010 at 3:35 PM, gaarg said:

Another movie that tries to brainwash you, talking about all the brainwash going on? Not my cup of tea.

How would you define "brainwashed"? Are you not already brain washed in the way you think and the traditions you adhere to in life? A better word to use is "conditioning". We're all conditioned in society, you can't escape it. It's whether that conditioning produces sustainable values (as in, you value things in life that are scientifically sustainable and won't for example cause harm to others or the planet), or whether your value system is unsustainable (meaning whether you needlessly consume material possessions without consideration for anyone or anything else in the environment around you).

Dude, I'm an artist. I've been studying origins of stuff, our behavior, humans as we are, for the last couple of years. I've seen movies and documentaries that try to broaden the view somehow. I'm not saying Zeitgeist won't do any good, it just doesn't reach me. I'm aware of what Zeitgeist wants to do and I don't really care. Actually I'm as afraid of it as I am of the contemporary capitalist society. There, I said it. Orwell and stuff.

Whatever

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:50 PM, GORDO said:

I understand their arguments, you don't have to reinforce the points, once again you are merely repeating the same thing you read or heard instead of being critical yourself. no one can disagree that a system can generate viced behavior, it can generate virtuous behavior too. have you thought about the implications of this when changing the system?.

of course I am critical of any information I take in. When ever I am reading a book, I always consistently write notes after each chapter, and puruse further research independent of that book. If something does not reference well with what I have previously known to be true, I will always feel the urge to investigate further. I enjoy learning, and being critical and sparking discussions is something I always encourage. Please provide details of the virtuous behaviour the monetary system brings about? I am aware that money can be seen as an incentive, which can be a positive attribute, however the negatives far outweigh the positives. I find it difficult to think about good qualities of a monetary economic system due to it's built-in, inevitable flaws.

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:50 PM, GORDO said:

with your definition natural law, you can find ways to go around them, when people find ways around them they're seen badly (amoral). i don't thing society can be oriented but that's a matter of discussion. once again i understand the points, I don't need them to be repeated to me once again. do you understand the criticism? do you see the lack of seriousness in this "project" when the possible bad outcomes are just ignored?

It is good if we can come up with a technology to transcend natural laws that may limit progression - for example, mag-lev technology more-or-less defies gravity's force, and there are positives to such advancements like mag-lev etc frictionless travel, lower maintenance requirements possibly..

I am not saying that it is bad to transcend natural laws, it's just we need to understand what we are bound by on the planet, and attempt to realign ourselves.

You're not particularly giving me much to go by in your posts. I just hope you take onboard my answers as it seems many here at watmm contribute to the discussion but don't necessarily consider my responses in great detail. I have specifically answered your questions unless I've misinterpreted anything.

Holy shit I just read this: "Science is the most honest process of gathering and reviewing data/information, and getting feedback from the environment around us."

Fuck you! That's saying all the tribal communities on the planet got it wrong and we're so amazingly smart and enlightened and maybe better because we fetishize science? That's one step away of saying god made you the leader of men, all bow to your greatness.

What's with this ego we have? I'm pissed right now...

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:58 PM, gaarg said:

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:04 PM, Bread said:

  On 10/4/2010 at 3:35 PM, gaarg said:

Another movie that tries to brainwash you, talking about all the brainwash going on? Not my cup of tea.

How would you define "brainwashed"? Are you not already brain washed in the way you think and the traditions you adhere to in life? A better word to use is "conditioning". We're all conditioned in society, you can't escape it. It's whether that conditioning produces sustainable values (as in, you value things in life that are scientifically sustainable and won't for example cause harm to others or the planet), or whether your value system is unsustainable (meaning whether you needlessly consume material possessions without consideration for anyone or anything else in the environment around you).

 

Dude, I'm an artist. I've been studying origins of stuff, our behavior, humans as we are, for the last couple of years. I've seen movies and documentaries that try to broaden the view somehow. I'm not saying Zeitgeist won't do any good, it just doesn't reach me. I'm aware of what Zeitgeist wants to do and I don't really care. Actually I'm as afraid of it as I am of the contemporary capitalist society. There, I said it. Orwell and stuff.

 

Whatever

Well, I really don't know what to say..

What will you do if an economic collapse occurred? You've seen the Greek riots on youtube or television right? And the ongoing general strikes in Spain right now regarding the austerity measures being enforced. Why not seek solutions to social problems now whilst you have the liberty to do so rather than leaving it up to other people?

  On 10/4/2010 at 9:05 PM, gaarg said:

Holy shit I just read this: "Science is the most honest process of gathering and reviewing data/information, and getting feedback from the environment around us."

 

Fuck you! That's saying all the tribal communities on the planet got it wrong and we're so amazingly smart and enlightened and maybe better because we fetishize science? That's one step away of saying god made you the leader of men, all bow to your greatness.

 

What's with this ego we have? I'm pissed right now...

The scientific method is a process in which we gather data and feedback from the environment. I say it's the most truthful tool we have (if not corrupted by money) because it reflects results and researched information.

Hold on here, you know that tribal communities use technology right? But a more primitive sort of technology, to help them. This is science. They test hunting equipment, to see which is reliable and efficient > so does science, it tests until a reliable result is reached.

Everything in the room you are sitting in right now is derived from scientific processes one way or another. I'm sure you wouldn't want to see any of that stripped away from you. You use science to measure decisions in your own life, right? Think about all those mundane, daily examples that reflect this. Science is important - it can unite the planet.

  On 10/4/2010 at 9:05 PM, gaarg said:

Holy shit I just read this: "Science is the most honest process of gathering and reviewing data/information, and getting feedback from the environment around us."

 

Fuck you! That's saying all the tribal communities on the planet got it wrong and we're so amazingly smart and enlightened and maybe better because we fetishize science? That's one step away of saying god made you the leader of men, all bow to your greatness.

 

What's with this ego we have? I'm pissed right now...

Err. Science is a process, not an ideology.

Some people make it an ideology.

i watched the trailer, it actually looks pretty good. I wasn't a fan of the first series of Zeitgeist movies at all, they were too patchworky and full of pieces of other people's films for me to enjoy. Looks like the new one is mostly original content and has a more coherent message

glad to hear my buddy Mike Ruppert in there too.

That trailer was so boring. Dude needs another 9/11 to get any serious interest.

  On 10/4/2010 at 9:26 PM, gaarg said:

Some people make it an ideology.

you confuse science with scientism

  On 10/4/2010 at 9:48 PM, Gary C said:

That trailer was so boring. Dude needs another 9/11 to get any serious interest.

this

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:58 PM, gaarg said:

Actually I'm as afraid of it as I am of the contemporary capitalist society. There, I said it. Orwell and stuff.

 

Whatever

Yes. I think that most people in this movement are pretty much welcoming the NWO without knowing it...

  On 10/4/2010 at 11:24 PM, Ominous said:

  On 10/4/2010 at 8:58 PM, gaarg said:

Actually I'm as afraid of it as I am of the contemporary capitalist society. There, I said it. Orwell and stuff.

 

Whatever

 

Yes. I think that most people in this movement are pretty much welcoming the NWO without knowing it...

oh noes the global socialist government will enslave us all