Zeitgeist - Moving Forward (now online)

so difficult to take this seriously, one of the first thing they say is that neither the pure enviromental nor the pure genetic approaches to understand behavior are adequate, then they spend half an hour citing only examples of how the enviroment determines it. gonna take a break, probably will be posting crtiticism as i watch to keep me entertained.

  On 1/26/2011 at 9:29 PM, GORDO said:

30 minutes in and im bored to death. is the rest of the film like this? how much should i skip to avoid being exposed to the same point over and over and over?

  On 1/26/2011 at 9:29 PM, GORDO said:

30 minutes in and im bored to death. is the rest of the film like this? how much should i skip to avoid being exposed to the same point over and over and over?

it gets better after a while beginning is a bit slow the end is wonderfull flowerpower like stuff :p

I does get better once the psychology bit is over. But I'm pretty sure they've covered all this monetary-market shit in the Addendum. And I don't like the Utopian idea they usually peddle either, so I can't imagine this is going to get a lot better.

so far it seems like they were trying to make the point that everything is determined in early infancy, in early infancy one is not really exposed to the "system". in early infancy one is exposed to a lot of random shit that could happen.

saying that "the invisible hand of the market" equals a figure of god reveals a lot of ignorance imo.

I agree mostly with the points being made about the economic system, there are some good points in there. I've even mentioned before that taking the GDP as the measure of success is something that i believe should be revised, many economists have said the same thing. one thing that bothered me though was that for them goods=electronics, there isn't much about planned obsolescence that can be applied to food or even furniture in their first example. the point about things not being the best they can be due to competition can be easily explained as a compromise between the two sides making an exchange, this is pretty much the essence of trading whether there's money involved or not.

i would've at least have them mention that the consumer has a choice in all this.

also there is a lot of good that the economic system has brought they should at least acknowledge it.

oh my bad, consumers don't have a choice. we are all brainwashed. lol.

Oh God, the last 5 minutes. Where do they get these fucking actors?

Okay, seriously. If you're considering watching this; watch the last 10 minutes first. Oh my fucking LOL. It really peaks on 2:35:00, but the Matrix-y build-up is essential for how it ends.

lol @ those linear correlation graphs, u see the dots scattered all over but somehow they make up a perfect linear correlation.

Seriously, that's the worst 5 minutes of anything I think I've ever seen.

Also, I'm not interested in any serious discourse about this. I just watched the whole thing and it's exactly the same as Addendum. Maybe some extra superfluous links to human behavioural learning and a little more about the Utopia city thing (yawn), but really it's just the same old shit.

They're probably right, we're probably in for 50 years of famine, riots and all the rest, but what are we going to do? Nothing. Get over it, import some foreign beer and put your feet up.

I said it before, dude needs another 9/11 to make this stuff interesting. In fact, why didn't he find a conspiracy in the BP oil disaster or something? That's much more attention-grabbing and watchable. You know why, cos' there's no fucking conspiracies, just crackpot stoners drawing nice little city-scapes.

I'm facepalming myself too here:

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  On 1/26/2011 at 11:26 PM, Jonas said:

hey Gordo, why not first watch the complete movie and try and make a balanced assumption?

  On 1/26/2011 at 9:33 PM, GORDO said:

probably will be posting crtiticism as i watch to keep me entertained.

I wonder what kind of reproducible results can science tell us about societal design and behavior.

wow, a computer that will make all our strategic choices, based only on how optimal they are without taking into account human opinion or bias.

this computer would tell us "make a fucking market, i can't compute all possible things".

yeah cool, a computer or illuminated group of scientists will decide for me when I should be able to access whatever good and when not to, them, not me, sounds like communist rationing.

why did they even come up with the strategic access concept? is it to patch up other flaws in their design?

another thing, all those principles could be contradictory, maybe making production efficient means not being able to make the best most durable good, they said something before about producing the best things being a mathematical impossibility, what changes here? maybe bringing the best to everyone isn't possible without sacrificing quality or durability or increasing wastefulness. it could be a real scenario, do they have the math to back all this up? do they have actual "science" to back all this up, or is it just a hunch that this system would be better than a market system?

"people will volunteer their time"

is this science?

flol at the ending i wish i had taken the advice and start watching from the final 5 minutes.

i think you probably just werent touched as an infant, gordo, all that lack of human contact has clearly got to you

  On 1/26/2011 at 11:39 PM, Gary C said:

Seriously, that's the worst 5 minutes of anything I think I've ever seen.

 

Also, I'm not interested in any serious discourse about this. I just watched the whole thing and it's exactly the same as Addendum. Maybe some extra superfluous links to human behavioural learning and a little more about the Utopia city thing (yawn), but really it's just the same old shit.

They're probably right, we're probably in for 50 years of famine, riots and all the rest, but what are we going to do? Nothing. Get over it, import some foreign beer and put your feet up.

 

I said it before, dude needs another 9/11 to make this stuff interesting. In fact, why didn't he find a conspiracy in the BP oil disaster or something? That's much more attention-grabbing and watchable. You know why, cos' there's no fucking conspiracies, just crackpot stoners drawing nice little city-scapes.

 

I'm facepalming myself too here:

 

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aside from being completely retarded and insane, this post is almost as cringeworthy as the ending sequence of the film ive just watched and i honestly feel that you should be ashamed for having decided that it would make a worthwhile contribution to this thread.

saying that it adds nothing to addendum is worth a mention I think.

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  On 1/26/2011 at 11:39 PM, Gary C said:

They're probably right, we're probably in for 50 years of famine, riots and all the rest, but what are we going to do? Nothing. Get over it, import some foreign beer and put your feet up.

Well, I think that is the wrong attitude to have. Sadly, you're extremely short-sighted in thought so I won't waste any further time responding to your blatently ignorant posts about a film which holds a wealth of information that you've chosen not to listen to. I understand though, you've clearly been conditioned in an aberrated way by the system you live in.. not to give a shit about social problems. My advice: get off your ass and think. Your brain is a waste if you don't. It is simply fucked up to hear you don't care.