Reality Check

  On 4/16/2011 at 12:15 PM, rixxx said:

I think my jokes aren't welcomed here.

wasn't directing my comment at you,

sorry if it made you sad !

thread has just gotten horribly off topic.

  On 4/16/2011 at 12:38 AM, Boxing Day said:

Donations pay for the website. Shouldn't the users themselves decide (or have some say at least) on the dogy change of rules.??

 

It's not like Joyrex is paying for 100 percent of the website.

 

Face it, without donations this forum would not exist. Why punish the people that make this possible?

You know, you were *this* close to me actually thinking you were somewhat intelligent, then you had to go and make a statement like that.

This forum existed for YEARS without a single solitary cent from any of you (up until around 2004-05 I believe, when we were on horribly expensive hosting and it was killing me financially). This is also not a democracy - this is a private forum for which you are invited to participate in, and if you feel so inclined, can donate to help pay for the hosting costs. If the forum truly "would not exist without donations", then how about I just allow the host to suspend the site when not enough donations come in to pay the bill?

  On 4/17/2011 at 12:32 AM, Boxing Day said:

Joyrex doesn't like dupes, but he still allows SUP to post.

Sup is not a dupe.

  On 4/17/2011 at 4:55 AM, Bramsworth said:

I may be a jerk for saying it but here goes:

 

What happens that's so great here that is bringing in so much traffic? 99% it's just assing about, and the featured artists it's dedicated to are practically dead and releasing nothing

Finally, back on topic! You'd be surprised at how much traffic those "practically dead" forums bring in:

  On 4/14/2011 at 11:50 PM, Joyrex said:

I personally have no problems with anyone's personal choices in their lives, but let's keep that stuff personal. You wouldn't go to a public venue in real life and discuss such things where everyone can hear it, right? Same rules should apply here. I think people forget the similarities between a messageboard and basically standing up and speaking to a group of people in a public place.

  On 4/18/2011 at 5:59 PM, Joyrex said:

this is a private forum for which you are invited to participate in

  On 4/18/2011 at 6:03 PM, Obel said:

  On 4/14/2011 at 11:50 PM, Joyrex said:

I personally have no problems with anyone's personal choices in their lives, but let's keep that stuff personal. You wouldn't go to a public venue in real life and discuss such things where everyone can hear it, right? Same rules should apply here. I think people forget the similarities between a messageboard and basically standing up and speaking to a group of people in a public place.

 

 

 

  On 4/18/2011 at 5:59 PM, Joyrex said:

this is a private forum for which you are invited to participate in

*ahem* private as in order to participate, you must be a member. However, the venue (aka the forum) is viewable by the public.

Thought that was obvious...

  On 4/18/2011 at 1:27 PM, feltcher said:

I like watmm, in a recent poll its now amongst the top 3 forums I post on.

 

Well done Joyrex for putting up with all the shizzle.

 

May very well renew my EKT sub again next year.

rofl what was so bad about my post riffing off of feltcher's? ^

  On 4/18/2011 at 6:11 PM, futuregirlfriend said:

  On 4/18/2011 at 1:27 PM, feltcher said:

I like watmm, in a recent poll its now amongst the top 3 forums I post on.

 

Well done Joyrex for putting up with all the shizzle.

 

May very well renew my EKT sub again next year.

 

rofl what was so bad about my post riffing off of feltcher's? ^

Sorry - there were so many off-topic posts, I might have selected yours by accident and it got removed as well.

joyrex been trimmin' this shaggy thread.

umm.. DUUUHHH.. helloOOOO???

REALITY CHECK

  On 4/19/2011 at 7:40 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

umm.. DUUUHHH.. helloOOOO???

REALITY CHECK

lol. do you have red hair?

  On 4/19/2011 at 7:40 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

umm.. DUUUHHH.. helloOOOO???

REALITY CHECK

yours has bounced. we need to mortgage your reality

  On 4/13/2011 at 7:00 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/13/2011 at 2:16 AM, Space Coyote said:

Just throwing it out there - I've virtually not touched the chat or blog? functionality here and have no interest in doing so. My vote would be you can drop that.

 

As for downloads, would it not be cheaper to seek help from the community here to mirror the downloads on free file hosting sites such as mediafire? In my experience they (mediafire at least) have great speed, file retention and general site uptime. It can be tedious but considering most of the Downloads section seemed to be sourced from members it doesn't seem like a stretch that people would be happy to take the time and bandwidth out once again to do this. I for one would be happy to.

 

Thank you for your continued efforts on this forum and the website, once upon a time. Been visiting since the joyrex.com days.

 

*edit*

 

Don't forget torrents either. Torrents are virtually free. That said I personally don't have the bandwidth to spare to sit on a torrent for an extended period of time to maintain the seed. My internet plan only allows for 80kb/s upload and I download ~100gb of concerts a month from sites that require me to maintain a ratio.

 

Those are all ideas we've considered before, the main problem is the Downloads manager that is integrated into the Forum software can't use torrent/external links. We need to have a way to control who gets access to the downloads, otherwise what's the point of having them here as an incentive to be part of the community. A lot of people surprisingly joined just to have access to the Downloads, and then some stayed when they realized it was a great place to discuss the music as well.

Ok well if the download manager is getting in the way I would suggest setting up a subforum where each post is titled with a concert date and venue and the download links for any audio or video recordings, pictures etc are just hotlinked inside in relatively plain text. I have other ideas as to how this could work but I'll leave it at that for now.

I'm not sure if I follow the idea that downloads are mainly used as incentive as joining and being part of the community. Back in the day there was nothing stopping someone setting up some 2 post lurker account purely to have access to the download section and download to their hearts content and then share everything elsewhere and take full credit for it if they were so inclined. That's the worst case scenario of course. As you've said in the last sentence there - whether the downloads are freely accessible to anyone or require a few minutes spent on an account registration page it does not stop people from hitting and quitting the forum once they have that content. Having it around may still expose new people to the rest of this site should they get curious as to how and why all this great media is being shared here. If the subforum was accessible to registered users only then the only change from the old setup is that someone can copy paste the mediafire links to their friends and bypass needing to visit the forum entirely. This strikes me as a scenario that is not going to take the bulk or even a significant minority of traffic away from the forum, particularly if it is set up the way I've suggest with each concert in a separate thread which makes copy/pasting the links elsewhere a tiresome and manual process compared to "hey just sign up for this forum, it is free and you can explore which concerts you want to download yourself."

I bookmarked this reply with the plan to follow up later. It is now like a week later and this thread is enormous and I haven't read through it all so forgive me if the same stuff is said somewhere between pages 5 and 9. Also I haven't slept right in the last two nights so my apologies if that is a pain to read.

at one point i figured this shit wouldn't last and compulsively downloaded as much as i had patience for. glad i did

In comparison to a majority of the active posters here I'm still very new, but I have enjoyed my time here a great deal and made quite a few friends along the way. My knowledge of music has increased ten fold too I would say, and i'm listening to stuff now that I never would have a year ago. I also understand that forums need to be dictatorships, and that Boxing Day is the second worst thing to happen to the internet next to Zeitgeist.

Provided I had not needed to save my money for other things, i would have donated an age ago.

And as for LTM, I don't really see the problem. I obviously haven't been exposed to enough old WATMM'ers and their incessant paranoia to understand.

  On 4/22/2011 at 10:06 AM, Gbiscuit said:

, and that Boxing Day is the second worst thing to happen to the internet next to Zeitgeist.

 

 

The first Zeitgeist movie was great.

lol

What's going on?? Things are changing fast

  On 4/14/2011 at 6:09 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

  On 4/13/2011 at 7:00 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/13/2011 at 2:40 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

Joyrex - if you're going to host a message board where nerds hang out then prepare to deal with the nerdy jokes that go along with it. people only have something against you when you start banning those people just for fucking around. just sayin'

 

Well, just 'fucking around' obviously carries a different definition for you and I. I don't think being nerdy is an excuse to behave badly, nor is it one to tolerate going overboard with such behaviour.

what's really the worst that can happen when people go "overboard" with that behavior though? it's just a post on a message board, you can take it or leave it. if it's to avoid forum drama then why can't the people that use the forum decide what is and isn't appropriate? if your response is going to be something like "because it's my forum" then you're missing the point. that's the sort of attitude that creates the sort of inappropriate behaviour you're referring to.

relativist garbage, MGF. if users decided their own rules, this site would have been shut down by the FBI by now

you have a very low opinion of watmm community and an idea of how it functions.

see the shit maximus mischief is getting or tht tne, watmm can self moderate itself at this stage.

  On 4/26/2011 at 8:39 PM, eugene said:

you have a very low opinion of watmm community and an idea of how it functions.

see the shit maximus mischief is getting or tht tne, watmm can self moderate itself at this stage.

The problem with that is everyone has widely varying opinions of what's "right". There needs to be a baseline standard and consistency.

and i think there is some consensus among watmmers on some basic rules, this'll never turn into some 4chan tranny porn exchange or something, you might get something of this kind as a part of some absurdist lol attack, but i doubt it'll become a norm if you stop rigidly enforcing it.

Let's keep this thread on topic - any other issues you'd like to discuss can be done via PM.

It's hard for me to follow this thread because whole chunks are gone when I come back and then I wonder if I imagined what I'd read...then I ruminate on if and implanted memory is just as good (if not better) than a memory earned "the hard way".

This is really messing with me.

  On 4/27/2011 at 11:22 PM, acidphakist said:

It's hard for me to follow this thread because whole chunks are gone when I come back and then I wonder if I imagined what I'd read...then I ruminate on if and implanted memory is just as good (if not better) than a memory earned "the hard way".

 

This is really messing with me.

The only posts removed were related to thn te!'s whining about being bullied.

  On 4/27/2011 at 11:22 PM, acidphakist said:

It's hard for me to follow this thread because whole chunks are gone when I come back and then I wonder if I imagined what I'd read...then I ruminate on if and implanted memory is just as good (if not better) than a memory earned "the hard way".

 

This is really messing with me.

see Tyrell, poke out eyes, hold a white dove

  On 4/27/2011 at 11:23 PM, oscillik said:

  On 4/27/2011 at 11:22 PM, acidphakist said:

It's hard for me to follow this thread because whole chunks are gone when I come back and then I wonder if I imagined what I'd read...then I ruminate on if and implanted memory is just as good (if not better) than a memory earned "the hard way".

 

This is really messing with me.

see Tyrell, poke out eyes, hold a white dove

lost, like tears in the rain.