getting "swing" on drums

how does one do this if it's not an option. actually what i'm wondering is if you can get swing on drums by changing the time signature of a track.

thanks

no time signature has nothing to do with swing, unless you would try to program a 4/4 beat inside a 17/4 beat or something, that might work, but it's probably just easier to move around some of the hits earlier and later. swing is what happens in between the beats, like try it with a straight hihat pattern and shift the second and fourth hit a bit behind the tempo, if your sequencer allows that kind of thing. if it doesnt maybe there's some kind of global swing option. but basically that just does what I wrote.

good description ^

swing is always an option, but changing the time signature won't help you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_time#Swung_note

What sequencer are you using Yek?

it has occurred to me that my sequencer has settings for swing. it's an rm1x, sold a few years ago and new one in the mail.

the time sig thing was really all i wanted to know about so thanks people.

You can kind of get a swing by doing a 6/8 time signature, which is like a double time 3/4. By skipping every 2nd and 5th note of the six-note pattern. Not sure if I'm making sense here.

wear a helmet when swinging drums, we don't want any accidents

Elektrons have a really easy to use yet very customisable swing grid edit

BUT THEY ALSO HAVE NO SOUL

When I do drums I always have them straight, even if my instrument MIDI tracks have swing, just because I find it's easier to sequence my drums with the swing, because you never have as much control over swing usually (though I'm not too familiar with swing automation really, I just sequence my compositions to have a groove already anyways), though there are a few things you can try.

You can send the MIDI to a computer and then do any of the following:

One, are "intelligent arpeggiators" like Catanya, in which you can program the grooves like in Ableton 8 (but I don't know too much about it so you'd have to explore yourself!)

Or you can also use normal arpeggiators, and just impose the swing with that. You could record the MIDI output of the arpeggio and edit it to your liking, though I don't know how long this would take because I haven't done that before.

Or, just use the sequencer you have, and change the tempo dynamically. This'd be pretty fucked and I don't know if your sequencer has tempo automation (doing this live would be impossible I think) but I bet it'd sound pretty cool. I'm actually going to try that at some point lol.

  On 5/17/2011 at 2:00 AM, scones to die for said:

You can kind of get a swing by doing a 6/8 time signature, which is like a double time 3/4. By skipping every 2nd and 5th note of the six-note pattern. Not sure if I'm making sense here.

You don't have to skip them, just de-emphasize them. Swing contains triplets all the time.

you can kind of fake swing by using triplets.

One of the tricks on old trackers was to change the global tempo setting of the song on every other beat. You're essentially speeding up and slowing down the rate at which the notes are played, so it results in swing. not sure if that would work on the rmx1. It's one of those things that's only really easy to do in trackers.

if the thing uses samples, you can always just use a couple WAVs of the same hit with different levels of laziness swing. then just program them out as feels right.

not to mention just cheating from the synth side, if it's a synth. have a real slow filter env, then an LFO set real slow also varying cutoff. LFO spikes up here and there and causes the sample to sound like it's starting earlier, ending later. no programming required, just an ear for a good musical combo of settings, LFO speed, lfo/env amount etc.

i've never used an RM1x.....i dunno, get your head around the concept, keep thinking about it, an idea will hit you in the shower sooner or later.

or, jiggle the midi cable.

I remember Cubase use to have loads of swing and different groove templates in the drum/key editor. Ableton seems to have no swing options at all so yeah I'm kinda wondering about the same question. I usually kinda program it but its not the same as the swing you get on say a 909 or the early version of Cubase I used.

What do you guys recommend for Ableton aside from an Appegiator? Cheers.

  On 5/17/2011 at 5:37 PM, Promo said:

I remember Cubase use to have loads of swing and different groove templates in the drum/key editor. Ableton seems to have no swing options at all so yeah I'm kinda wondering about the same question. I usually kinda program it but its not the same as the swing you get on say a 909 or the early version of Cubase I used.

 

What do you guys recommend for Ableton aside from an Appegiator? Cheers.

I'm pretty sure you can use groove templates in Ableton too.

  On 5/17/2011 at 6:05 PM, scones to die for said:

  On 5/17/2011 at 5:37 PM, Promo said:

I remember Cubase use to have loads of swing and different groove templates in the drum/key editor. Ableton seems to have no swing options at all so yeah I'm kinda wondering about the same question. I usually kinda program it but its not the same as the swing you get on say a 909 or the early version of Cubase I used.

 

What do you guys recommend for Ableton aside from an Appegiator? Cheers.

I'm pretty sure you can use groove templates in Ableton too.

I'm using Ableton 5 and I've not found any. I've got Ableton 8 on another Laptop so maybe I'll check it out.

play dem pads son

all of these techniques will work better if you call it "swang"

I always just use 16th/8th note triplets for swing rhythms. But if you want a more humanized swing, just nudge it a little earlier/later, or play it.

put things closer together

put other things farther apart

some serious nonsense posted up in here lol

fuck off

find a break you like with proper amount of "swing" to your taste

map the chopped breakbeats to a template on a grid and switch to other samples to replace the original hits

easily done in renoise/reason/ logic/fl/etc

i don't use LIVE so………

retain the feel of the break but use new drums

use 128th or 64th note tics to move kick/snares around

cymbals are really important for swing

using velocity and tuning to give to more vibe

using different hi hats and samples from real drums with a bit of verb

also real drummers let things ring out longer -meaning real drum kits have lots of note length and overlap and clank!

so longer samples,compression reverb etc

its amazing how compression and distortion can give a beat more vibe as well