do you work out?

  On 4/25/2012 at 8:45 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 11:24 AM, chenGOD said:

But seriously if you look at say any pro bodybuilder's workout they'll have abs once a week, if that.

People seem to think doing 12thousand crunches will do your abs great... it won't. It's a muscle the same as any other so work it the same. (and get plenty of core work in)

Your abs and your entire core are just another muscle group and a very complex one at that. Pro body builders (who are already near their goals and require different up keep workout plans than those who are far from their goals) care more about the appearance of their muscles than how effective they are. Your core should recieve just as much attention and be targeted with tons of different exercises just like you do with your arms, shoulders and chest etc. if your trying to imrpove your body power and effectiveness more than just physical appearance.

 

Most advanced core workouts don't have you doing simple crunches or sit ups at all ever.

So what are your guys' ab building techniques? Can you list them?

No offense blankeT ForT CollapSe - but you're barking up the wrong tree.

Interval training takes place at close to anaerobic levels, this is true. However, the goal of it is to develop an athlete's aerobic capacity. By increasing your aerobic capacity, you can run harder for longer. I don't want to pull a StephenG and whip my dick out, but I played sports at a very competitive level - as in tryouts for national team level/semi-pro level so i do have an inkling of what I'm on about.

 

With abs/core - you're deliberately not reading what I posted: 3-4 different exercises per work-out, for a total of 6-8 different exercises per week. Twice a week is enough, assuming that you're doing other sports, as the use of the compound muscles while playing those sports will develop your core. If you're not playing sports (and I mean at a competitive level) then you don't need to emphasize your core so much, and diet and regular workouts will suffice.

 

 

Kcinsu I posted a great article for abs/core here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek30.htm

side planks kicked my ass this morning. i looked like a heroin addict going through withdrawls i was shaking so much.

I've not tried the planks yet. I'll give them a whirl this evening.

  On 4/25/2012 at 9:15 PM, jules said:

side planks kicked my ass this morning. i looked like a heroin addict going through withdrawls i was shaking so much.

 

lol what kind did you do?

thanks chen, good article... lots of info to absorb.

  On 4/25/2012 at 8:52 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 8:45 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 11:24 AM, chenGOD said:

But seriously if you look at say any pro bodybuilder's workout they'll have abs once a week, if that.

People seem to think doing 12thousand crunches will do your abs great... it won't. It's a muscle the same as any other so work it the same. (and get plenty of core work in)

Your core should recieve just as much attention and be targeted with tons of different exercises just like you do with your arms, shoulders and chest etc.

That's what I said dude. Treat them the same as any other muscle.

  On 4/25/2012 at 9:12 PM, chenGOD said:

No offense blankeT ForT CollapSe - but you're barking up the wrong tree.

Interval training takes place at close to anaerobic levels, this is true. However, the goal of it is to develop an athlete's aerobic capacity. By increasing your aerobic capacity, you can run harder for longer. I don't want to pull a StephenG and whip my dick out, but I played sports at a very competitive level - as in tryouts for national team level/semi-pro level so i do have an inkling of what I'm on about.

With abs/core - you're deliberately not reading what I posted: 3-4 different exercises per work-out, for a total of 6-8 different exercises per week. Twice a week is enough, assuming that you're doing other sports, as the use of the compound muscles while playing those sports will develop your core. If you're not playing sports (and I mean at a competitive level) then you don't need to emphasize your core so much, and diet and regular workouts will suffice.

 

Well to point what may not be obvious, I'm trying to discuss my work out plan opinions in as much revelance as I think I can to the people that might be reading them. Where you are at and where you want to be is an extreme dynamic variable in choosing the right work out plans. That's why it's easy to have many disagreements on these things because a lot of different things can work, give different results. Your diet is almost the bigger variable and can dramatically change the result when doing the same work out plan obviously as well.

 

I stated multiple reasons why interval training is great and how long distance continuos exercises can be bad for certain goals. You were trained in sports under the understanding that it's to improve aerobic capacity... and because of that experience you want to keep trying to completely simplify as just for that purpose. The last thing I want to put off is that anything is that simple. I'm not going to repeat myself as I've already stated multiple reasons why interval training is great for much more than aerobic capacity. But, again you don't want to trigger cortisol which is something people could accidentally be doing in long distance continous exercises.

 

When I was stating that trying out new workouts and figuring out what works is more important than overly concerning yourself with good form in the beginning I'm making the assumption that the people here won't be going for crazy weight to begin with to injure themselves and that they should just give a lot of news work outs a shot. Once they have tried out a bunch of different things and figure out what works best, then of course develop your form better as you see fit for those exercises. Again my opinion is directed at the novice learner that would be reading here, not that the meat head body builder that is practicing perfect form on a very calculated for their goals work out plan to target their muscle groups for perfect muscle appearance.

 

Jules stated that he (like a lot of people) has problems with his back. Hence why targeting his core and giving it a lot of different work outs in less sets each could really strengthen that entire area and resolve his back problem. I am also assuming that most people are the age where they no longer are in competitive sports at all or enough that that already is training their body to any significance. If you already are doing rock climbing, martial arts or any sport quite a bit you will know if your over training and area of your body more than you should be. Other wise I sincerely think to really have amazing results, that make you feel like you can conquer the world in anything, working out every muscle group 3 or 4 times a week is not a bad idea. If your ridiculously sore in one area take a break from it for a day and target where you are not feeling any soreness. Which I think should be an obvious point, use your own judgement and come up with what will work best for your goals.

  On 4/25/2012 at 9:17 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 9:15 PM, jules said:

side planks kicked my ass this morning. i looked like a heroin addict going through withdrawls i was shaking so much.

 

lol what kind did you do?

 

 

i did these

 

 

 

  On 4/25/2012 at 5:53 AM, chenGOD said:

 

 

good lord.

 

i assure you my face did not look like that.

  On 4/25/2012 at 9:12 PM, chenGOD said:

No offense blankeT ForT CollapSe - but you're barking up the wrong tree.

Interval training takes place at close to anaerobic levels, this is true. However, the goal of it is to develop an athlete's aerobic capacity. By increasing your aerobic capacity, you can run harder for longer. I don't want to pull a StephenG and whip my dick out, but I played sports at a very competitive level - as in tryouts for national team level/semi-pro level so i do have an inkling of what I'm on about.

 

With abs/core - you're deliberately not reading what I posted: 3-4 different exercises per work-out, for a total of 6-8 different exercises per week. Twice a week is enough, assuming that you're doing other sports, as the use of the compound muscles while playing those sports will develop your core. If you're not playing sports (and I mean at a competitive level) then you don't need to emphasize your core so much, and diet and regular workouts will suffice.

 

 

Kcinsu I posted a great article for abs/core here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek30.htm

come on man whip your dick out and wave it around in the wind. It feels great and depending on size the wind resistance makes For a good core workout. Just make sure to combine it with a number of other isolation/balance exercises.

lol no worries jules - it'll get there.

 

StevieG - I could whip it out all over your face?

  On 4/25/2012 at 10:40 PM, chenGOD said:

lol no worries jules - it'll get there.

 

StevieG - I could whip it out all over your face?

. 5$ half service 10$ full only

If you let me wear my Pubic wig and pull my hair. And only on Thursday's, down by the bin. Oh and u have to call me Shirley. Its a good workout

Edited April 25, 2012 by StephenG

  On 4/25/2012 at 10:44 PM, StephenG said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 10:40 PM, chenGOD said:

lol no worries jules - it'll get there.

 

StevieG - I could whip it out all over your face?

. 5$ half service 10$ full only

If you let me wear my Pubic wig and pull my hair. And only on Thursday's, down by the bin

 

i shudder to think what a pubic wig entails.

Lol same here. But in all seriousness you guys both have some very good advice. Going to implement some of yours Chen

Edited April 25, 2012 by StephenG

When working out you will benefit the most from 1) the intensity of your exercise and if weight lifting then also 2) the more the resistance.

It's not how many repetitions, it's not how far you run, and it does not matter how long you do something.

Exercise to failure and then rest. Spend 15 no more than 20 or so minutes doing your workouts. If you simply can not continue after 15 minutes then your job is done, now take the week off and take it easy on the muscle groups, joints, etc involved.

Can we please stop talking like one paragraph of advice is the simple and end all absolute best way to get things done for completely different people at completely different points in their physical health, whom also may want complete different results. I would feel like an assclown if I typed the simple arrogant diagnosis above like it's applicable to everyone. Sorry no offense but a lot of people don't like researching stuff for themselves so what you say may actually impact a lot of peoples time.

chengod-what sport buddy?

I'm not even going to begin to discuss fiznuthian's statements

Also, it's totally ironic to me that spending less time working out can be so much more effective than working out for durations..

I like to imagine that my body post-workout has to respond to a stimulus.. If I continue to send a weak signal i.e. lifting a weight that is easy for me and doing it many times, my body has no reason to anticipate future events where I may require more power. I prefer give my body the strongest stimulus I can manage i.e. lifting weights so heavy that I can only lift them a few times until my muscle can't do it anymore.. but nothing so heavy it injures me. Or in the case of cardio doing hard, hard sprints.

The message you are sending here is that your body's survival was put in jeopardy. It responds by planning for the worst.

 

There's been a bunch of talk about HIIT, superslow, tabata cycling, blah blah.. It's all the same thing, just high intensity exercise and all of it sends growth hormone in motion.

In the evolutionary context that our species spent most of its time in this makes sense. If you get attacked by a wild animal and you approach the brink of death but survive this would certainly be a great impetus to grow stronger for next time.

  On 4/26/2012 at 3:59 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Can we please stop talking like one paragraph of advice is the simple and end all absolute best way to get things done for completely different people at completely different points in their physical health, whom also may want complete different results. I would feel like an assclown if I typed the simple arrogant diagnosis above like it's applicable to everyone. Sorry no offense but a lot of people don't like researching stuff for themselves so what you say may actually impact a lot of peoples time.

 

It is applicable to everyone and does indeed work. It's not necessary for the maintenance of health, your general fitness, or even if you're trying to just look better. But the amount of time people spend working out in the gym is ridiculous and makes no gain that short, high intensity exercise wouldn't accomplish the same if not better.

 

And hey, most people here think i'm a kook anyway what with my dietary advice like "eat real farm food and more nutrients, yo!". I'd prefer to just make my statements like everyone else does. The people who don't do their own research won't trust fiznuthian from watmm.com anyways, they'll go buy the nearest self-help book or read citation-free Livestrong articles instead.

  On 4/26/2012 at 4:20 AM, fiznuthian said:

  On 4/26/2012 at 3:59 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Can we please stop talking like one paragraph of advice is the simple and end all absolute best way to get things done for completely different people at completely different points in their physical health, whom also may want complete different results. I would feel like an assclown if I typed the simple arrogant diagnosis above like it's applicable to everyone. Sorry no offense but a lot of people don't like researching stuff for themselves so what you say may actually impact a lot of peoples time.

 

It is applicable to everyone and does indeed work. It's not necessary for the maintenance of health, your general fitness, or even if you're trying to just look better. But the amount of time people spend working out in the gym is ridiculous and makes no gain that short, high intensity exercise wouldn't accomplish the same if not better.

 

And hey, most people here think i'm a kook anyway what with my dietary advice like "eat real farm food and more nutrients, yo!". I'd prefer to just make my statements like everyone else does. The people who don't do their own research won't trust fiznuthian from watmm.com anyways, they'll go buy the nearest self-help book or read citation-free Livestrong articles instead.

 

There are some people that this type of exercise would simply cause them to have a heart attack. I agree with high intensity/short duration workouts and the hormones etc it sets in motion, but claiming it is for everyone is a stretch....

 

I think the general consensus across all message boards not just WATMM is that a different approach is needed for essentially every person based on body type, diet, current physical ability, goal, etc... Although certain generalizations stand true, not everyone is the same.

 

Btw I train like you mentioned, I'm just saying it's not for everyone. I train to max reps/high intensity and simply push my weight or whatever a bit higher the next time. Through 3 cycles of p90x I went from doing only 60 pushups to now doing 330 per workout, just by bumping it up one or two pushups per session...

Edited April 26, 2012 by StephenG

Oh god why did I come to my laptop and open this thread again.

 

No your simple arrogant cut and dry advice like you've finally found the secret work out plan that works for all humans weighing from 400 pounds to 90 pounds with complete different diets and lifestyles is actually not applicably perfect for everyone.

 

"The message you are sending here is that your body's survival was put in jeopardy. It responds by planning for the worst." - That's actually a great description for what you don't want, not what you do. At best it's a decent analysis of what your body thinks when it triggers Cortisol, the worst possible thing for getting in shape or being healthy. I've stated back in the last page that lack of sleep, malnutrition, long low intensity work outs induce stress on the body that puts it in survival mode and produces cortisol. Cortisol=bad I don't need to repeat why again, look it up.

 

Your right intensity is really important for burning fat, but, no so important for a skinny dude that's trying to bulk up. Your extremely dynamic combination of diet, lifestyle and exercise change a lot of the equation. You've said a lot of stuff I would like to put different opinion upon but let's just start your statement like someone who is extremely overweight can.... getting an intense workout for 20 minutes and take a break for a week? That can work for someone whos already reached their goals, knows exactly how to fuck shit up and can go hard on the paint for 20 minutes keeping all muscles they've developed from going into a fast atrophy but.. First of all and one of the biggest things is keeping momentium, after about 3 days everyone I know finds it harder to get back to working out. I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the addiction that you build up to the edorphins produced when working out. Everytime I've spent more than 4 days not working out I have 4 times less drive to get back murdering fat, tearing new muscle fibers, getting my lungs and heart pumping etc. etc.

 

Everyone has different obstacles to overcome. I personally know that works best for me is not heavy weights at the gym or anywhere. Again for me specifically I already have more muscle mass than I really want. For one I need to continue doing lots of repetitions of intense lower resistance workouts and getting intense cardio. The last thing I need is to be lifting my max on shit and calling it good. My diet is also completely dictated by my goals.

 

I'm done for now.

  On 4/26/2012 at 4:01 AM, jules said:

chengod-what sport buddy?

 

Soccer.

  On 4/25/2012 at 9:56 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 8:52 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 8:45 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 4/25/2012 at 11:24 AM, chenGOD said:

But seriously if you look at say any pro bodybuilder's workout they'll have abs once a week, if that.

People seem to think doing 12thousand crunches will do your abs great... it won't. It's a muscle the same as any other so work it the same. (and get plenty of core work in)

Your core should recieve just as much attention and be targeted with tons of different exercises just like you do with your arms, shoulders and chest etc.

That's what I said dude. Treat them the same as any other muscle.

Props, yeah, I was agreeing with your statement, even though it could be confused that I was a Stevie Wonder, not the case sir. I was too concerned with riding on your coattails making what I thought was an obvious point, in trying to keep it simple for the kids I didn't make it clear that I wasn't thinking you were also thinking some simple silly short sighted shit or anything.