SFPD shoot and kill unarmed 19 yr old

  On 7/19/2011 at 9:29 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 7/19/2011 at 9:13 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 7/19/2011 at 11:29 AM, lumpenprol said:

I live in China. The police do not carry guns, nor do any citizens. Coming from the SF bay area, it feels like fucking heaven.

 

in Heaven do they have censored internet?

 

 

edit: there have 2 much worse shootings in oakland after the Oscar Grant incident both involving a clearly mentally unstable man brandishing a knife. What i find hard to understand is if someone doesnt have a gun why are cops still trained to shoot to kill? Why can't they do an Arnold style shoot the legs to disable them but not kill them. Is it just too much liability for the police department? to leave someone wounded but not killed? im confused

 

COPs have lots of nonlethal weapons for that scenario as well (tasers, bean bag guns, etc) that would probably be effective.

But if it's true that he was randomly firing into a crowded place would you really wanna take the call to just take him down with non-lethal force? Would this be enough to instantly stop him from firing more, possibly lethal, shots? When you've got that split second to react to the current situation you need to protect the innocent public. Reminds me a little of Jean Charles De Menezes. I knows it's vastly different factors but the split second decision is the deciding factor.

  On 7/19/2011 at 3:15 PM, joshuatxuk said:

It was a bit disturbing they'd consider that ok to spotlight on a television show.

That's because it makes for great TV. Going by the comments that a lot of these videos get (esp , a segment of the population who believes it's the duty of the cops to shoot to kill rather than find less lethal ways to diffuse violence on the streets) this stuff is like torture porn for them. Just think of the rating$!

  On 7/19/2011 at 10:17 PM, spratters said:

But if it's true that he was randomly firing into a crowded place would you really wanna take the call to just take him down with non-lethal force? Would this be enough to instantly stop him from firing more, possibly lethal, shots? When you've got that split second to react to the current situation you need to protect the innocent public. Reminds me a little of Jean Charles De Menezes. I knows it's vastly different factors but the split second decision is the deciding factor.

I agree that when someone is actually firing a gun that leaves little time to react.

On the opposite hand, here in montreal a few weeks ago a homeless guy ran away from some cops and they opened fire on him. The thing is, it was during the beginning of the morning rush hour near a subway entrance and they ended up killing an innocent bystander

  On 7/19/2011 at 9:13 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 7/19/2011 at 11:29 AM, lumpenprol said:

I live in China. The police do not carry guns, nor do any citizens. Coming from the SF bay area, it feels like fucking heaven.

in Heaven do they have censored internet?

this

  On 7/19/2011 at 10:21 PM, TwiddleBot said:

  On 7/19/2011 at 3:15 PM, joshuatxuk said:

It was a bit disturbing they'd consider that ok to spotlight on a television show.

That's because it makes for great TV. Going by the comments that a lot of these videos get (esp , a segment of the population who believes it's the duty of the cops to shoot to kill rather than find less lethal ways to diffuse violence on the streets) this stuff is like torture porn for them. Just think of the rating$!

Yeah srsly. Old COPS episodes suddenly look like critically acclaimed documentaries compared to the reality TV programming of late.

i'm waiting for the facts on this one but that video is disturbing for sure

so either

a. police are bad people

or

b. kid had a gun but when he fell he lost the gun, but police didnt know he lost the gun so were weary of approaching as they had all seen those movies where the bad guy is dead and you roll him over and theres the gun bang

It's understandable to assume the worst of BART / SFPD cops. Still, thanks for sharing more info, kcinsu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

When I watched the video, the word "Bayview" came to mind. Then I clicked on the link and whatayaknow.

I'm on the fence about this thing because it seems like they haven't found the weapon yet [correct me if I'm wrong]. The thing about this incident is that the guy might have been a piece of shit, but they didn't know that until after they shot him. If they can prove he fired shots at them while running backwards [which is kind of ridiculous to think about...] they really don't have much to go on. Just looks like whitey being whitey.

sick

  On 7/19/2011 at 9:13 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 7/19/2011 at 11:29 AM, lumpenprol said:

I live in China. The police do not carry guns, nor do any citizens. Coming from the SF bay area, it feels like fucking heaven.

in Heaven do they have censored internet?

Joyrex bans boobs, you're still here.

Seriously though - flick on vpn, problem solved. Youporn as much as you like.

  On 7/19/2011 at 11:38 PM, Braintree said:

When I watched the video, the word "Bayview" came to mind. Then I clicked on the link and whatayaknow.

 

I'm on the fence about this thing because it seems like they haven't found the weapon yet [correct me if I'm wrong]. The thing about this incident is that the guy might have been a piece of shit, but they didn't know that until after they shot him. If they can prove he fired shots at them while running backwards [which is kind of ridiculous to think about...] they really don't have much to go on. Just looks like whitey being whitey.

yeah but you could in theory fire a shot and then turn and run.

or you could buy a transfer

And this is why cops should not carry weapons...

  On 7/20/2011 at 12:48 AM, Benedict Cumberbatch said:

  On 7/19/2011 at 11:38 PM, Braintree said:

When I watched the video, the word "Bayview" came to mind. Then I clicked on the link and whatayaknow.

 

I'm on the fence about this thing because it seems like they haven't found the weapon yet [correct me if I'm wrong]. The thing about this incident is that the guy might have been a piece of shit, but they didn't know that until after they shot him. If they can prove he fired shots at them while running backwards [which is kind of ridiculous to think about...] they really don't have much to go on. Just looks like whitey being whitey.

 

yeah but you could in theory fire a shot and then turn and run.

 

or you could buy a transfer

I was actually hoping a cop would ask me if I had a transfer today so I could show it and say "Don't shoot!"

if he was firing shots, then he deserved being shot. this isn't a taser scenario...

I certainly would like more info on all of this, but if he did indeed fire at police, then what other outcome should/would there have been?

This is a fucking outrage...

every time this happens, it turns into a fucking racial thing. that is what drives me absolutely nuts.

  On 7/19/2011 at 11:17 PM, Benedict Cumberbatch said:

i'm waiting for the facts on this one but that video is disturbing for sure

 

 

so either

 

a. police are bad people

 

or

 

b. kid had a gun but when he fell he lost the gun, but police didnt know he lost the gun so were weary of approaching as they had all seen those movies where the bad guy is dead and you roll him over and theres the gun bang

This is where I am at also. The trouble is, when will we know when we've gotten the facts?

allow me to repeat...

  On 7/20/2011 at 1:32 AM, Kcinsu said:

if he did indeed fire at police, then what other outcome should/would there have been?

I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place.

If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable.

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:08 AM, Braintree said:

I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place.

 

If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable.

because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it.

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:17 AM, jules said:

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:08 AM, Braintree said:

I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place.

 

If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable.

 

because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it.

bitch had it coming, carry on.

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:17 AM, jules said:

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:08 AM, Braintree said:

I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place.

 

If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable.

 

because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it.

I wonder if that leprechaun news video would be suitable to post here.

  On 7/20/2011 at 1:00 AM, halisray said:

And this is why cops should not carry weapons...

seriously?

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:29 AM, Braintree said:

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:17 AM, jules said:

  On 7/20/2011 at 3:08 AM, Braintree said:

I know thugs aren't the smartest people, but I find it incredible, and mostly questionable, that someone would run away, fire their weapon, then keep running. Why not just dead sprint and keep running? And he has to know he's outnumbered in the first place.

 

If he shot at the police then they are obligated to fire back, but it just seems unbelievable.

 

because he is ignorant and arrogant as fuck? i mean if dude was pimping out a 13 year old, he has issues. sounds like he wanted the thug life. and got it.

 

I wonder if that leprechaun news video would be suitable to post here.

i can not imagine where that video would not be suitable to post...