Gaddafi's death

  On 10/20/2011 at 2:50 PM, Gary C said:

it was a more heroic uprising until they beat him to a bloody pulp.

Yes, congratulations to the nu-rebel alliance (or whatever they are called). Rather than capture him and trial him "fairly" (or whatever sort of trial they wanna give him) they murder him, thus negating a lot of the credibility they will be seeking to receive from possible allies / neighbours.

But its all hearsay at the moment anyways - multiple news channels reporting multiple stories. The truth will out.

ohhhh he was a very handsome young man back then. RIP foreign dictator we know nothing about.

  On 10/20/2011 at 3:48 PM, keltoi said:

now he is a hero and a martyr, there will be retaliation and much blood shed in his name.

He's more of cold war era dictator with money and power that drew loyalists, not a separatist movement leader or full blown religious/ideological cult of personality. When a system croynism is taken out it doesn't produce martyrs. For the rebels this is a "k...now what?" moment, especially if he's dead. That said, I don't personally know enough about the NTC or general movements in Libya to speculate what will actually happen and what similar overthrows it might resemble.

  On 10/20/2011 at 4:53 PM, joshuatxuk said:

  On 10/20/2011 at 3:48 PM, keltoi said:

now he is a hero and a martyr, there will be retaliation and much blood shed in his name.

 

He's more of cold war era dictator with money and power that drew loyalists, not a separatist movement leader or full blown religious/ideological cult of personality. When a system croynism is taken out it doesn't produce martyrs. For the rebels this is a "k...now what?" moment, especially if he's dead. That said, I don't personally know enough about the NTC or general movements in Libya to speculate what will actually happen and what similar overthrows it might resemble.

i meant to his followers he is a hero and a martyr... maybe not to you or i.

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a martyr is somebody who suffers persecution and death for refusing to renounce, or accept, a belief or cause, usually religious.

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hero - a character who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, displays courage and the will for self sacrifice

muslim dictatorship in 3.. 2..

It's just a flesh wound, he'll bite your legs off!

Dead Gaddafi

  On 10/20/2011 at 3:52 PM, feltcher said:

 

Yes, congratulations to the nu-rebel alliance (or whatever they are called). Rather than capture him and trial him "fairly" (or whatever sort of trial they wanna give him) they murder him, thus negating a lot of the credibility they will be seeking to receive from possible allies / neighbours.

Like Bin Laden?

he got allah wakbared

  On 10/20/2011 at 5:22 PM, MortstoX said:

  On 10/20/2011 at 3:52 PM, feltcher said:

Yes, congratulations to the nu-rebel alliance (or whatever they are called). Rather than capture him and trial him "fairly" (or whatever sort of trial they wanna give him) they murder him, thus negating a lot of the credibility they will be seeking to receive from possible allies / neighbours.

Like Bin Laden?

exactly

  On 10/20/2011 at 5:03 PM, keltoi said:

 

 

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  On 10/20/2011 at 4:53 PM, joshuatxuk said:

  On 10/20/2011 at 3:48 PM, keltoi said:

now he is a hero and a martyr, there will be retaliation and much blood shed in his name.

 

He's more of cold war era dictator with money and power that drew loyalists, not a separatist movement leader or full blown religious/ideological cult of personality. When a system croynism is taken out it doesn't produce martyrs. For the rebels this is a "k...now what?" moment, especially if he's dead. That said, I don't personally know enough about the NTC or general movements in Libya to speculate what will actually happen and what similar overthrows it might resemble.

 

 

 

i meant to his followers he is a hero and a martyr... maybe not to you or i.

 

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a martyr is somebody who suffers persecution and death for refusing to renounce, or accept, a belief or cause, usually religious.

 

 

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hero - a character who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, displays courage and the will for self sacrifice

I agree he's seen that way by he's followers, but just doubt that many will continue fighting or dying in his name. I don't think there will be much of a insurgency or terror campaign that will emerge from his loyalists (those who haven't been killed or captured anyway) now that he's dead. Plenty of other parties and factions who will likely bring on war and chaos from this point on. But I could be wrong. \(O.0)/

  On 10/20/2011 at 5:22 PM, MortstoX said:

  On 10/20/2011 at 3:52 PM, feltcher said:

 

Yes, congratulations to the nu-rebel alliance (or whatever they are called). Rather than capture him and trial him "fairly" (or whatever sort of trial they wanna give him) they murder him, thus negating a lot of the credibility they will be seeking to receive from possible allies / neighbours.

 

Like Bin Laden?

AMERICA FUCK YEAH, anyone seen the awesome US gov snuff picture yet? I have it on my wall next to the picture of Saddam's head being lobbed off by a rope, and his sons with Y incisions going up their stomachs on an autopsy table,

front page of FOx right now quick http://www.foxnews.com/ haha

So now we got Uganda on the table, what wars will we get involved in next (because as we all know with Iraq, Libya is now mission accomplished, the war is over)

  On 10/20/2011 at 6:10 PM, joshuatxuk said:

I don't think there will be much of a insurgency or terror campaign that will emerge from his loyalists (those who haven't been killed or captured anyway) now that he's dead. Plenty of other parties and factions who will likely bring on war and chaos from this point on. But I could be wrong. \(O.0)/

I think as we've seen in Iraq, it's never as simple as one insurgency, it's usually waring factions. I don't see why this would stop anytime soon just because he's dead.

the videos being played on CNN are pretty graphic, draggin him around the streets with his head bashed in but still alive at that point.

  On 10/20/2011 at 6:28 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 10/20/2011 at 6:10 PM, joshuatxuk said:

I don't think there will be much of a insurgency or terror campaign that will emerge from his loyalists (those who haven't been killed or captured anyway) now that he's dead. Plenty of other parties and factions who will likely bring on war and chaos from this point on. But I could be wrong. \(O.0)/

 

I think as we've seen in Iraq, it's never as simple as one insurgency, it's usually waring factions. I don't see why this would stop anytime soon just because he's dead.

I meant about the Loyalists being a major component. I agree with what you're saying.

  On 10/20/2011 at 6:35 PM, Rubin Farr said:

the videos being played on CNN are pretty graphic, draggin him around the streets with his head bashed in but still alive at that point.

nice, getting back to the WWII spirit

Fucked up

He would have remained a hero and a martyr to his supporters no matter the outcome, we can draw parallels to a whole host of Bosnian war criminals in this regard.

As for where the NTC goes from here, Gaddafi was one of the few factors that actually kept the armed groups united it seems. There have been numerous reports out of Libya in recent months that detail the growing distrust between the military commanders who operated out of Tripoli and Benghazi proper. His death will leave a unilateral hole in the fabric of Libyan politics for some time to come.

I would be on the lookout for arms proliferation, potential tribal conflict as well as post-Gaddafi violence akin to that of the recent activities in Egypt, but, ya know, with guns. Typically when a dictator goes up fast such as this, the outcome is - typically - never favorable. Once Saddam went, the religious fundies came out in droves, and post-colonial Africa and the near-East fared about as well.

The only redeeming factor I guess is that Libya doesn't seem to have many of the ethnic and religious tensions inherent with other African and Middle Eastern nations, so if violence flares up at all, it will probably be more political in nature rather than ethnically or religiously motivated, which is something that can usually be fixed with time and reason.

  On 10/20/2011 at 10:41 PM, Gbiscuit said:

 

The only redeeming factor I guess is that Libya doesn't seem to have many of the ethnic and religious tensions inherent with other African and Middle Eastern nations, so if violence flares up at all, it will probably be more political in nature rather than ethnically or religiously motivated, which is something that can usually be fixed with time and reason.

except that the rebels hate black people

Libyan rebels round up black Africans

Thousands detained under suspicion of fighting for Gadhafi claim they are innocent migrant workers

http://www.salon.com..._rebel_lockups/