Atari St & Cubase?

My Atari has been gone for years, but for some reason I held onto all the diskettes, including Cubase and some other assorted bits.

  On 1/18/2012 at 3:53 AM, Aces said:

I have to admit I'm not going to be adding much to the actual debate but, I've always been of the opinion that it doesn't matter what you use as long as you're comfortable using it. I tend to think people can be a touch dogmatic on this subject.

Well yeah exactly I started making music at school on an Atari 1040 with Cubase and then moved on a few years later to a Pentium 486 with Cubasis. I'll be honest though my music was pretty shit during that period but yeah as long you have reasonable creativity a few bits of kit you can make decent tunes with a basic sequencer. Getting back to my Atari St I've basically always wanted to try and use it in a music capacity. I think the problem with old tech in a modern world is getting it all to work.

I really should think about purchasing one again or taking a more serious look at getting some of the software I have to run in an emulator. I have a bunch of original pieces my dad wrote when I was a kid on disks I'd like to ressurect. He never got around to it before he passed away.

  On 12/20/2011 at 4:56 PM, Velazquez said:

sorry, but why on earth would anyone still be using an atari with half a mb of ram?

I'm using an MSX with 256kb. Why? For the rush, the adaption and the general backwardness of the act.

  On 1/18/2012 at 6:49 PM, kanarie said:

  On 12/20/2011 at 4:56 PM, Velazquez said:

sorry, but why on earth would anyone still be using an atari with half a mb of ram?

I'm using an MSX with 256kb. Why? For the rush, the adaption and the general backwardness of the act.

That must be an MSX 2, then.

I dunno if they would be any good now but the Supra HD I had for my ST never had any issuest in the 15 or so years it was around. Shit was built solid back then.

Is there any software which enables you to use ym chip as a sound module with midi 'cause that'd be sick dope?

  On 1/19/2012 at 2:15 PM, Promo said:

Is there any software which enables you to use ym chip as a sound module with midi 'cause that'd be sick dope?

http://www.geocities.jp/sam_kb/VOPM/index.html Yamaha YM215 emulation

If you peep my freeware thread posts you will find a whole boatload of patches ripped from sega genesis games and converted into a format that VOPM can load.

  On 1/18/2012 at 6:49 PM, kanarie said:

  On 12/20/2011 at 4:56 PM, Velazquez said:

sorry, but why on earth would anyone still be using an atari with half a mb of ram?

I'm using an MSX with 256kb. Why? For the rush, the adaption and the general backwardness of the act.

try again

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:08 PM, Velazquez said:

  On 1/18/2012 at 6:49 PM, kanarie said:

  On 12/20/2011 at 4:56 PM, Velazquez said:

sorry, but why on earth would anyone still be using an atari with half a mb of ram?

I'm using an MSX with 256kb. Why? For the rush, the adaption and the general backwardness of the act.

try again

He were talking about a different machine innit.

some of my favorite electronic music comes from 1995, and musicians using atari and cubase... I don't understand why you'd want to use and old 'digital'set up, given the small amounts of storage and memory. Is midi timing that terrible on current set ups, that you'd sacrifice computer capability for it?

  On 1/19/2012 at 3:45 PM, RadarJammer said:

  On 1/19/2012 at 2:15 PM, Promo said:

Is there any software which enables you to use ym chip as a sound module with midi 'cause that'd be sick dope?

 

http://www.geocities...VOPM/index.html Yamaha YM215 emulation

 

If you peep my freeware thread posts you will find a whole boatload of patches ripped from sega genesis games and converted into a format that VOPM can load.

Thanks for that. I'm actually looking for something that'll allow me to use the fm chip of my real Atari. There is YM vst which is pretty dope but I've always just wanted to use the actual st as sound source!

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:14 PM, Velazquez said:

some of my favorite electronic music comes from 1995, and musicians using atari and cubase... I don't understand why you'd want to use and old 'digital'set up, given the small amounts of storage and memory. Is midi timing that terrible on current set ups, that you'd sacrifice computer capability for it?

Dude its for fun that's all. It don't mean we're gonna stop using our up to date set ups lol.

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:14 PM, Velazquez said:

some of my favorite electronic music comes from 1995, and musicians using atari and cubase... I don't understand why you'd want to use and old 'digital'set up, given the small amounts of storage and memory. Is midi timing that terrible on current set ups, that you'd sacrifice computer capability for it?

limitation breeds creativity.

haha did a search for YM-2149 projects, check this out:

http://midibox.org/forums/topic/15678-midibox-ay-ym-v2

would probably have more luck if you went the NES road or something..

I'm getting me a SammichSID kit soon, looking forward to that.

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:21 PM, Promo said:

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:14 PM, Velazquez said:

some of my favorite electronic music comes from 1995, and musicians using atari and cubase... I don't understand why you'd want to use and old 'digital'set up, given the small amounts of storage and memory. Is midi timing that terrible on current set ups, that you'd sacrifice computer capability for it?

Dude its for fun that's all. It don't mean we're gonna stop using our up to date set ups lol.

my bad. Have fun!

  On 1/18/2012 at 9:00 PM, psn said:

  On 1/18/2012 at 6:49 PM, kanarie said:

  On 12/20/2011 at 4:56 PM, Velazquez said:

sorry, but why on earth would anyone still be using an atari with half a mb of ram?

I'm using an MSX with 256kb. Why? For the rush, the adaption and the general backwardness of the act.

 

That must be an MSX 2, then.

Indeed, it is. Although I do own a proper MSX-1 too (80kb of RAM).

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:12 PM, mcbpete said:

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:08 PM, Velazquez said:

try again

He were talking about a different machine innit.

Indeed, I was. Sorry for getting slightly off-topic. To drift off even further:

<----- 303rd post!!!

(How much memory does a 303 have..? I'd guess around 512b or 1kb..?)

Atari, Cubase, Akai sampler... why aren't you making old-school jungle?

  On 1/19/2012 at 5:42 PM, missingsense said:

haha did a search for YM-2149 projects, check this out:

 

http://midibox.org/f...idibox-ay-ym-v2

 

would probably have more luck if you went the NES road or something..

 

I'm getting me a SammichSID kit soon, looking forward to that.

Interesting but I'd never take the ym chip out of my Atari. Gotta say though that Midibox is hideous and really ugly lol.

Definitely don't see any problem with using the ST if your comfortable with it. For me there's too much focus on brand new gear these days, people buying the newest recommended hardware under the illusion it will make them sound better.

I've always believed in just maxing out and learning whatever it is you own already.

The ST midi is of course legendary and it's easy to overlook the fact that 512mb ram in that machine isn't limiting in the same way Windows/OSX would be with that amount today, totally different usage and allocation. In the same way that game consoles have

a decpetively small amount of ram but achieve lagless frame rate because of the entirely different way the ram and GPU/CPU are utilized.Not having any learning curve with hardware/software is obviously an instant plus too, just allows you to have fun and get on with things. The 16 bit scene is definitely alive and well. A pretty active Amiga Soundcloud group here, all done on the original hardware. Some pretty cheesy stuff at times but it's nice to hear how the 4 channels are used to the max and the clever tricks utilized.

http://soundcloud.com/groups/amiga-music

Interesting. I don't really know much about Amiga but how comes all those tracks have some extreme panning with the drums and bass?

That's the real hardware at work. Because it had 4 8bit channels , the output was was mixed down into 2 fully left and 2 fully right stereo outs, it was less noticable if just playing a game on a regular CRT tv of the time, but once bumped through a hifi and headphones, you'd get the full effect. It might sound a bit odd these days but the extreme seperation is now almost like a trademark sound of the amiga, amiga tunes from Octamed etc are almost instantly recognisable.

I always force mono with my .mod files. The hard panning is so distracting!

Yeah that hard panning is a bit odd and kinda makes the tracks a bit unlistenable.