Harmony Korine + Selena Gomez

  On 8/13/2012 at 11:43 PM, compson said:

  On 8/13/2012 at 11:39 PM, Dan C said:

1. I never said they were as hyped, I never said that? I said they were hyped hard ON WATMM.

 

2. Maybe I just live in a place with huge amounts of people who have heard of Autechre and Aphex Twin, because they're definitely at the level of neckbeard big.

 

3. I am skrillex in disguise.

 

You told chengod he must live in a sheltered part of the world because Autechre is "big"

Actually I said he must live in a sheltered part of the world because Autechre are neckbeard big.

  On 8/13/2012 at 10:13 PM, Dan C said:

 

Autechre make music that people like, and they got big.

 

There's no real difference between either of them.

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i go to a big university (45,000 students give or take), I have an autechre sticker on my laptop. I also have a Boards of Canada sticker. Guess which one got comments and which one didn't.

I don't see Autechre with any Grammys on the mantle.

Big is subjective I guess, I consider Autechre a big band because I can go into HMV and buy one of their cds.

They're not superstar mega big, but why worry about common sense when arguing semantics on the internet?

  On 8/13/2012 at 11:48 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

I don't see Autechre with any Grammys on the mantle.

i no rite. omg.

You weren't being clear earlier, you said there is no real difference between, then you called chengod sheltered and claimed you only said they were big on WATMM (which doesn't back up your point about there being no real difference). I'm not trying to argue semantics but from my perspective you seemed like you were trolling.

no no, i'm sheltered. i'm canadian. we only make it out of our igloos every four years for the olympics.

What genre is autechre? Punk Techno?

Perhaps saying that they are all just musicians making the music they want to and they have both achieved levels of success is a fairer way of wording it.

Their level of success fame wise is different, but I cannot comment upon either of their goals, feelings about their music, or level of sincerity as I am none of the mentioned parties.

But since we know that Autechre has consistently pushed the boundaries of electronic music, while Skrillex has jumped through a few popular genres, and gotten ghost writers to do work on his albums, we (well I) can infer to some degree both intent and sincerity.

I don't believe that he has gotten ghost writers, until someone can prove it to me I consider it bullshit internet rumours. Just because something is popular doesn't mean people don't like it, and want to make it.

Pushing boundaries doesn't = sincerity.

  On 8/13/2012 at 11:56 PM, Dan C said:

Perhaps saying that they are all just musicians making the music they want to and they have both achieved levels of success is a fairer way of wording it.

 

Their level of success fame wise is different, but I cannot comment upon either of their goals, feelings about their music, or level of sincerity as I am none of the mentioned parties.

All you gotta do is look at the cesspool of mainstream "musicians" today who don't do anything to create the music other than sing or rap. So in that sense the goals seem pretty clear. AE and AFX create for the journey/experience while many mainstream musicians create for the popularity/money. The intent is different and I objectively think money/popularity is less interesting than abstract expressionism.

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:01 AM, Dan C said:

I don't believe that he has gotten ghost writers, until someone can prove it to me I consider it bullshit internet rumours. Just because something is popular doesn't mean people don't like it, and want to make it.

 

Pushing boundaries doesn't = sincerity.

Pushing boundaries once maybe - but it's clear that AE make the music they do because they love it.

Frank Zappa did the same.

If someone writes music in a very traditional style, and sticks to the rules of that genre because that is the type of music that they enjoy writing would that make them an insincere artist?

Jesus fucking wept. If that's what they did for their career then most likely not, in my opinion.

But like I said, we've already seen Skrillex jump from bandwagon to bandwagon.

Well you're the one saying who is and isn't sincere here.

I'm establishing the boundaries, it's an interesting discussion.

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:08 AM, Dan C said:

If someone writes music in a very traditional style, and sticks to the rules of that genre because that is the type of music that they enjoy writing would that make them an insincere artist?

Tommy J Interview excerpt:

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Particularly these days, we’re witnessing a sort of professionalisation of musicianship, and it’s good in the sense that people will find it more straightforward to get work. You can read music, you’ve got the scales so you can adapt. You can understand how different harmonic structures work. But for me the downside which rules out all of those kinds of benefits is the fact that everyone sounds like they’re the same person. And everyone plays in the same way, and the teachers convey idioms as if it’s gospel. And no, that’s just what some guy did in the early 80s that everyone else copied. He had an idea, or she had an idea that was inspiring, and everyone now just treats it like it’s a guidebook. I think there’s a massive amount of conservatism in the world of music education, which makes me feel quite grateful that I’ve never had anything to do with it, to be honest. I’ve learned what I’ve learned out of enthusiasm. The downside for me is there’s massive gaps in my knowledge. But they’re gaps in my knowledge to do with things that I don’t care about. In that respect, so what?

So yes its fine if they want to do that, but I'll probably get bored of it and won't give a second thought about if they are insecure or not. The point is... where would we be if everyone was just staying in line. Genius deviants are a totally different beast in that sense and that is why Autechre is in no way like Skrillex. The comparison makes no sense because one of them is internalizing the mass market and the other is less interested/focused on the external trends and instead is creating for the sake of exploration and expressionism.

Genius? No.

Good band? Yes.

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:13 AM, Dan C said:

Well you're the one saying who is and isn't sincere here.

 

I'm establishing the boundaries, it's an interesting discussion.

I'm not saying, it's my interpretation. But really you don't think someone whose success was fueled by a massive marketing/PR campaign and has jumped through a few different genres that were trending at the time could possibly be insincere?

I'm sure the Stones stopped being real serious around the time Keith Richards was mummified and replaced by an animatronic zombie, and Aphex was pretty blunt when he called it "26 mixes for cash" but you know...

just rollerbladed in to say that "sincerity" is a fucking ridiculous merit to be judging music on. if you think you can accurately judge "sincerity" in *the artwork of other human beings, you have fooled the sincerity out of yourself.

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  On 8/14/2012 at 12:24 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:13 AM, Dan C said:

Well you're the one saying who is and isn't sincere here.

 

I'm establishing the boundaries, it's an interesting discussion.

I'm not saying, it's my interpretation. But really you don't think someone whose success was fueled by a massive marketing/PR campaign and has jumped through a few different genres that were trending at the time could possibly be insincere?

I'm not saying that at all, I think that definitely people are like that, but I don't see it from this guy. He seems to genuinely really like electronic music and the stuff he's doing. I think my question would be do you think that anyone doing any of the stuff you mentioned could possibly be sincere?

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:22 AM, Dan C said:

Genius? No.

Good band? Yes.

I consider the ability to make something abstract yet emotionally/atmospherically powerful, genius. AE has pushed themselves away from the norm while still connecting with the listener. That's a lot cooler than Skrillex. Just face it, they aren't the same and there are objective qualities to music that can be judged. In the end you can like Skrillex more than AE, but if you look at the full scope of music history, it's only because of the deviants and explorers that allow people like Skrillex to be rich and famous.

AE does not connect with all listeners. "Emotionally powerful" is a subjective experience. Music cannot be judged objectively.

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:26 AM, luke viia said:

just rollerbladed in to say that "sincerity" is a fucking ridiculous merit to be judging music on. if you think you can accurately judge "sincerity" in *the artwork of other human beings, you have fooled the sincerity out of yourself.

 

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Artwork or commercial product for mass consumption?

Obviously my interpretation of Skrillex's sincerity in music is not the sole, nor is it even the main factor in why I think it is utter gash.

Do you think it is completely unreasonable to make a judegment about an "artist's" sincerity based on past behaviour? People pass judgement about politicians' sincerity based on their speeches and past actions. Why can we not do something similar for artists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgUWTquztGY

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:26 AM, Dan C said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:24 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 8/14/2012 at 12:13 AM, Dan C said:

Well you're the one saying who is and isn't sincere here.

 

I'm establishing the boundaries, it's an interesting discussion.

I'm not saying, it's my interpretation. But really you don't think someone whose success was fueled by a massive marketing/PR campaign and has jumped through a few different genres that were trending at the time could possibly be insincere?

 

I'm not saying that at all, I think that definitely people are like that, but I don't see it from this guy. He seems to genuinely really like electronic music and the stuff he's doing. I think my question would be do you think that anyone doing any of the stuff you mentioned could possibly be sincere?

I doubt it very much - to me the whole jumping from trend to trend is pretty awful.