My Bloody Valentine Reissues

  On 3/22/2012 at 8:07 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/22/2012 at 8:04 PM, igloos unlmtd said:

It appears brand new My Bloody Valentine material will remain unreleased.

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

seriously though, this fucking reunion has been on the cards since 2008. maybe since BoC took a leaf out of their book, they're taking a leaf out of BoC's book...

 

OR... BoC's taking another leaf out of their book...?

Fuck off with BoC

<3

  On 3/26/2012 at 8:16 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 3/22/2012 at 8:07 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/22/2012 at 8:04 PM, igloos unlmtd said:

It appears brand new My Bloody Valentine material will remain unreleased.

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

seriously though, this fucking reunion has been on the cards since 2008. maybe since BoC took a leaf out of their book, they're taking a leaf out of BoC's book...

 

 

OR... BoC's taking another leaf out of their book...?

mother of god

  On 3/26/2012 at 8:16 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 3/22/2012 at 8:07 PM, oscillik said:

  On 3/22/2012 at 8:04 PM, igloos unlmtd said:

It appears brand new My Bloody Valentine material will remain unreleased.

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

seriously though, this fucking reunion has been on the cards since 2008. maybe since BoC took a leaf out of their book, they're taking a leaf out of BoC's book...

 

 

OR... BoC's taking another leaf out of their book...?

Because the MBV reissues are the new BoC album.

  On 3/24/2012 at 11:38 PM, Popemobile v2 said:

How is a remaster going to be a big improvement, let alone much of an improvement at all? It's likely (I'll put money on this) just going to get the loudness war treatment to a greater or lesser degree. I'm only really interested in hearing the unreleased tracks, myself.

Well sorta cause there's like no bottom end to it like they didn't quite know how to mix bass at the time, or that there have been improvements since that allow for more of it. I thought it was kind of unique though when I first got it, how it wasn't over powered w/ bass and that, that was actually part of how it was supposed to sound, which is fine by me really. it makes it interesting in that way certainly.

It'll be great to finally have all those rare compilation tracks and EPs (esp. the instrumentals from that rare 7"), but didn't Kevin Shields initially spend hundreds of hours mixing and mastering the album the first time around?

I hope it ends up sounding great and I also hope Shields can be trusted to deliver. My issue is that in spite of himself and his vaunted perfectionism Shields isn't a mastering engineer first and foremost so these could end up sounding (and looking) like the Cocteau Twins reissues; those were marketed as having been remastered by Robin Guthrie himself and he surely fucked that up: pumping up the mid-range and trimming off the wonderful subtleties (and then giving the mix some headroom AFTER all that compression resulting in the tracks looking like rectangles with bad haircuts in Audacity or any other audio editor). The original mixes of the first three Cocteau albums sounded fairly dry admittedly, but Guthrie pumped up the bass/lower mid-range and added some sort of reverb which really killed the original aesthetic; I'm not sure what he was thinking. Subsequently I'll stick to the original masters for the Cocteau albums and EPs.

I'm not sure if this is jazz or not, but...

http://pitchfork.com/news/46058-kevin-shields-teases-new-my-bloody-valentine-lp/

i might be the only person who thinks this but loveless sounds like ass. all their records do. i love the songs but they aren't recorded well. "sometimes" is probably the only exception.

  On 4/19/2012 at 8:43 AM, zaphod said:

i might be the only person who thinks this but loveless sounds like ass. all their records do. i love the songs but they aren't recorded well. "sometimes" is probably the only exception.

it's always baffled me when people say how great it sounds. the drums sound like shit!

  On 4/19/2012 at 9:49 PM, zaphod said:

it's always baffled me when people say how great it sounds. the drums sound like shit!

people said the same thing about the studio recordings of Joy Division stuff.

those people were also wrong, so don't worry - you're not in that small of a minority

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tinniest drum sound ever. but i guess their drummer didn't actually play on most of the tracks, supposedly. although isn't anything sounds even worse. i don't know what to think!

i can understand why zaphod would say that - the drums on loveless are kinda tinny. but i think that was the intent. it was an artistic decision, not a mistake.

edit: heh, we posted at the same time. yep, tinny. but i like it.

edit2: most of the drums are loops sampled from previous stuff colm did, because he was having health problems at the time. the only track colm actually had input on was 'touched', which is pretty much entirely him.

i was under the impression that a lot of loveless's drum parts were actually based off of samples. i never had a problem with the drum's sound quality per se, but i can see where it would put people off. the lack of the dynamism from real-time drumming sometimes bothers me when i listen to it, but that's just a minor distraction from a still fantastic album.

debbie googe also had very, very little to do with the album. it's pretty much the kevin and bilinda show, and mostly the kevin show.

it's an odd artistic decision. i don't really buy it. but i own everything they've done, i saw them live, i love the band. i just figured it was kind of an unspoken truth that loveless actually sounds like shit. the tremolo ep and parts of glider aren't as bad. but when i think of mbv i think a really huge sound, and loveless sounds tinny and compressed in the true sense of the word, which, imo imo imo, works against it. it's also aged badly. but this track is perfect and the only one where they really nail whatever they were going for:

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coincidentally, no drums. although there's a percussive bass element from the strumming.

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:10 PM, zaphod said:

it's an odd artistic decision. i don't really buy it. but i own everything they've done, i saw them live, i love the band. i just figured it was kind of an unspoken truth that loveless actually sounds like shit. the tremolo ep and parts of glider aren't as bad. but when i think of mbv i think a really huge sound, and loveless sounds tinny and compressed in the true sense of the word, which, imo imo imo, works against it. it's also aged badly. but this track is perfect and the only one where they really nail whatever they were going for:

 

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why don't you buy it? Again, I point to the Joy Division example.

because it doesn't work. joy division isn't a good example, because the sterile icy quality of the production works with the music.

martin hannet was joy division's engineer and was mental, to the point where he'd disassemble an entire drum kit and put it back together because a fucking screw somewhere was loose. he's mental.

kevin shields is also mental.

i think we're onto something here.

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:14 PM, zaphod said:

because it doesn't work. joy division isn't a good example, because the sterile icy quality of the production works with the music.

Is that your subjective opinion, or is it a written in stone factual scientific fact?

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:14 PM, kaini said:

martin hannet was joy division's engineer and was mental, to the point where he'd disassemble an entire drum kit and put it back together because a fucking screw somewhere was loose. he's mental.

 

kevin shields is also mental.

 

i think we're onto something here.

mother of god

that is an interesting point zaphod raises though, MBV live are all about volume and hugeness to the point where audience members are vomiting and stuff, so the kinda tinny drum sound on loveless is weird. but i guess the live volume is made of walls of marshall stacks, not drums...

maybe kevin shields doesn't care so much about drums.

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:18 PM, kaini said:

that is an interesting point zaphod raises though, MBV live are all about volume and hugeness to the point where audience members are vomiting and stuff, so the kinda tinny drum sound on loveless is weird. but i guess the live volume is made of walls of marshall stacks, not drums...

yes. the volume comes from the stacks, not the drums. i know this, i was there.

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:15 PM, oscillik said:

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:14 PM, zaphod said:

because it doesn't work. joy division isn't a good example, because the sterile icy quality of the production works with the music.

 

Is that your subjective opinion, or is it a written in stone factual scientific fact?

 

is it yours? i don't think i have to put imo after everything i write. yes, clearly it's my opinion, sorry for questioning the indie sacred cow that is loveless. i'm explaining why i disagree with you. it just sounds like shit to my ears and i don't think comparing it to closer or whatever is valid.

approaching pissing contest in 5...4...

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:19 PM, zaphod said:

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:15 PM, oscillik said:

  On 4/19/2012 at 10:14 PM, zaphod said:

because it doesn't work. joy division isn't a good example, because the sterile icy quality of the production works with the music.

 

Is that your subjective opinion, or is it a written in stone factual scientific fact?

 

 

is it yours? i don't think i have to put imo after everything i write. yes, clearly it's my opinion, sorry for questioning the indie sacred cow that is loveless. i'm explaining why i disagree with you. it just sounds like shit to my ears and i don't think comparing it to closer or whatever is valid.

of course it's valid - it was an artistic choice.

for the record, i don't have a problem with you saying that it's shit (if you think that it sounds like shit). but to say that the drums weren't intended to sound the way they do, that's some delusional stuff right there.

lol indie sacred cow