the inescapable onslaught of blu ray

FLOL

^@baph

and disp as well

Blu ray is wrestler imo. I've read the end of this book. 7/10

  On 5/9/2012 at 10:37 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 5/9/2012 at 5:19 PM, zkreso said:

because all my movies are ugly pixelated compressed messes that sound like the actors are talking though an underwater tube.

 

fixt.

i've got a 1gbit fiber connection, i just downloaded The Godfather Trilogy 1080p BluRay DTS x264 (60gb) in like 20 minutes. none of what you said applies.

  On 5/10/2012 at 1:54 AM, data said:

  On 5/9/2012 at 10:37 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 5/9/2012 at 5:19 PM, zkreso said:

because all my movies are ugly pixelated compressed messes that sound like the actors are talking though an underwater tube.

 

fixt.

 

i've got a 1gbit fiber connection, i just downloaded The Godfather Trilogy 1080p BluRay DTS x264 (60gb) in like 20 minutes. none of what you said applies.

Yeah, but you live in a place that isn't a corporate-feudal society and the King of Hollywood isn't going to exercise his 1st Night right with your wife for downloading it.

  On 5/9/2012 at 9:33 PM, KY said:

  On 5/9/2012 at 9:16 PM, yikes said:

sheeple

i bet all of you morons think compact discs are better than vinyl

you think blu-ray discs suck, and you talk about buying video tapes at garage sales lol for fucks sake.

how are you even using a computer without complaining about how "the man" wanted you to buy it? why don't you go browse watmm on a calculator or a cheese sandwich or something

lol ky

cds=jewel case breaks at hinges,remastered versions usually inferior to og vinyl mastering,smaller artwork ,poor resale value,etc.

not to mention - a well pressed /cut record played on a decent deck sounds leagues ahead of a cd

to hastily label me a luddite/troll/moron etc says a lot about how easily all of you are led by "the man" and typifies a lockstep sheeple consumer mentality where everything "new" is better.

it's funny that joyrex was the first to make the analogy of books,8 16 mm film being "outdated" but the truth is these mediums outlast digital and have been proven more reliable over time.

cds are error prone and loose data over time.

hard drives become corrupted and the the drives freeze after time rendering data stored on them useless.

This is not the case with vinyl or properly stored tape/film

no one is stopping any of you assholes who are quick to call me names over this from dropping more of your dough on this godsend of a corporate dictated format of which you love so much.

if you are so fucking brainwashed and can't see the point than it's true,you've disappeared up your own ass and have lots of money to burn,enough to replace your dvd/vhs collection in it's entirety with this incredible new format and even more money in another 5 years to pay for the next better format that "they" dream up.

  On 5/10/2012 at 7:04 AM, yikes said:

cds=jewel case breaks at hinges,remastered versions usually inferior to og vinyl mastering,smaller artwork ,poor resale value,etc.

not to mention - a well pressed /cut record played on a decent deck sounds leagues ahead of a cd

 

to hastily label me a luddite/troll/moron etc says a lot about how easily all of you are led by "the man" and typifies a lockstep sheeple consumer mentality where everything "new" is better.

 

it's funny that joyrex was the first to make the analogy of books,8 16 mm film being "outdated" but the truth is these mediums outlast digital and have been proven more reliable over time.

 

cds are error prone and loose data over time.

hard drives become corrupted and the the drives freeze after time rendering data stored on them useless.

This is not the case with vinyl or properly stored tape/film

 

no one is stopping any of you assholes who are quick to call me names over this from dropping more of your dough on this godsend of a corporate dictated format of which you love so much.

 

if you are so fucking brainwashed and can't see the point than it's true,you've disappeared up your own ass and have lots of money to burn,enough to replace your dvd/vhs collection in it's entirety with this incredible new format and even more money in another 5 years to pay for the next better format that "they" dream up.

yikes!

from the great late roger nichols

I am an expert at backing up to the wrong format, however. I used to back up to extra hard drives. I would install a second drive, format it, and copy everything that would fit onto it, remove it and store it on a shelf. As drives got bigger I always backed up to the biggest, baddest Firewire, USB, Fibre Channel, SCSI or whatever drive was available. Nobody ever told me that you were supposed to 'exercise' each drive once every two or three months by reading the data or you would lose everything. This was not mentioned until some record company needed to get a session off of a hard disk that had been sitting in the archives for 10 years — and it was empty, or the drive would not spin up because the bearing grease was solid as a rock.

I immediately grabbed all of my stored hard drives and started finding computers to connect them to so I could see if my precious data was still there. Ten percent of the external Firewire drives would not spin up. During one Steely Dan tour, we recorded all of the shows using a pair of Mackie 24-track hard disk recorders. We filled 70 20-Gigabyte drives. None of them will spin up now.

Tune in 15 years from now and I will talk about the transfers from DVD-R to whatever the flavour of the month happens to be then...

lol you can't be serious. if there's a format to embrace it's going to be completely digital and non physical, which is obviously cheaper and more convenient and not a ploy by the man. who the fuck actually still buys dvds and cds? and vinyl is a wasteful hobbyist's format for the collector niche and hipsters who want to appear cultured. welcome to the 21st century, you don't really own anything anyway.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

it's frighteningly self evident that you know little about vinyl culture sonny

i'm not here to school you on the cost or desirability of say pre war blues 78's, northern soul 45s or even the REPHLEX indicator series so hush up child and speak not of what you don't know

embrace away!!

but realize you are being had

and so far digital has not stood the test of time for any purpose let alone archival.

"35 mm film actually has higher resolution (around 5k) than hd cam's are capable of, and it would take a format nearly 5 times more detailed than Blu-ray to fully appreciate the level of detail on a 35 mm film.

Blu-ray and HD DVD were made for one reason and one reason only and that was to make the studios and the manufactures more money. It didn’t have to the best and it’s not but if you the consumer want to watch a movie at home in HD then it’s the best way you can. To me I don’t think you benefit as much from a source being film as you do when the source is video, but that’s because I like a more realistic look (like looking out your front window). Overall I don’t care how HD is delivered to you (cable, satellite, Blu-ray and any other way) on the consumer lever to me HD kind of sucks. It is all compressed way too much and I don’t like all the artifacts. But that seems to be just me."

lol this guy

IF YOU HAVE NOTED THAT DVD’S DON’T LOOK AS WELL AS YOU REMEMBER, IT’S NOT A MEMORY PROBLEM. WHEN DVD’S FIRST CAME OUT THEY WERE PITTED AGAINST VHS TAPES. THE BIG CLAIM FOR DVD’S WAS PICTURE CLARITY. THE DPI OF THOSE EARLY DVD MOVIES WAS 720. THIS WAS A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT OVER VHS.

LATER AS DVD SUPPLANTED VHS IT WAS NOT TO LONG UNTIL HD DVD’S CAME OUT AND DVD PLAYERS THAT UPGRADED DVD’S TO NEAR HD. THIS WAS NOT WHAT HD DVD AND THE FOLLOWING BLURAY WANTED SO THE DPI OF DVD’S WAS LOWERED TO 480DPI WHICH CAN’T BE UPGRADED. NOW DVD’S HAVE A POORER IMAGE QUALITY THAN VHS TAPES. BLURAY WAS SOMEHOW CHOSEN OVER HD DVD’S AND IS THE STANDARD NOW. MOST ALL MOVIES TODAY ARE ON VIDEO TAPE TRANSFERRED TO BLURAY AND THE PICTURE QUALITY IS NOT MUCH BETTER THAN DVD’S UNLESS IT IS ANIMATED OR AN OLDER MOVIE THAT WAS DONE FROM AROUND 1960-1980 AT HEIGHT OF THE FILM MOVIE QUALITY. THESE ARE VERY GOOD WHEN TRANSFERRED TO HD.

THE NET EFFECT OF ALL THIS IS DVD’S NOW ARE NOT AS GOOD AS VHS TAPES AND BLURAY IS SLIGHTLY BETTER AND YOU HAVE BEEN FLIMFLAMMED INTO BUYING THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND MEDIA, OR BETTER TERMED PLANED OBSOLESCENCE. NO WONDER THERE IS SO MUCH OF OUR MONEY IN HOLLYWOOD. THEY HAVE ALREADY COME OUT WITH A NEW MEDIA, 3D THAT REQUIRES A NEW TYPE OF TV AND IN A FEW YEARS THERE WILL NO DOUBT BE SOMETHING TO MAKE BLURAY OBSOLETE.

you must be new to this universe

  On 5/9/2012 at 4:10 PM, yikes said:

well it looks like we are being forced to buy yet another piece of equipment to "keep up with the current format"

anyone walk into best buy lately?

90% of their new stock is on blu ray

i call FUCKING BULLSHIT

I am happy with dvds and still buy plenty of VHS tapes for a dollar at thrifts and flea markets

obviously i am ranting but it's just a symptom of "consumer culture" and it really sucks balls.

It's not like my opinion matters or will make any difference up against some monolithic corp rot nation,

but I can't help but cringe at the philosophy of "YOU NEED THIS NOW" being jammed down my throat.

Well, you should have stayed in the stone age then.

I don't buy hard copies of movies anymore. For me it's all about Netflix and iTunes on my Apple TV.

i am not alone in my retarded thought process -nope -not for a second

The modern day technological society tells us that HD movies and TV programming are a must-have. Driven by our materialistic American culture, it seems we have no choice but to conform to the latest (for lack of a better word) fad. It used to be all about big screen television sets boasting 1080i resolution, weigh 200 pounds, and have 50 inches of viewing pleasure. Once the prices came down enough for the working class to afford, out comes flat panel plasmas and LCD projections with an even greater level of resolution, 1080p! Now everywhere you look you are surrounded by newspaper ads, billboards, TV shows, and commercials that depict an ideal family room. These rooms have nothing less than a 40-50 inch, sleek & sexy flat panel monitor. It sits on a perfectly painted wall in a seemingly perfect high-end downtown loft. Hmmmmmm… let’s hold off on this and get to the topic at hand – Blu Ray.

In light of the most recent “Hi-Def Wars”, one contender came out victorious, and it was the “SONY Blu-Ray.” Our HD DVDs are to now be used as coasters on our perfect-little-downtown-loft coffee tables that will be neatly stacked beside our monthly subscription to Forbes magazine. So the question for us non-Forbes subscribers is, “What kind of Blu-Ray player do we spend our hard earned money on?” Sony, Insignia, LG, Panasonic, Samsung, Denon, or just finally get a PS3? Well, I’ll tell you. F@ck it all! Let me ask you something, “Are you happy with what you got?” Then don’t f@ck with it! Never fix something that isn’t broken first!

During these trying economic times, we don’t have time to be worrying if our entertainment center is pumping out the best possible resolution to watch Transformers or Rachel Ray’s cooking (yes, I like Rachel Ray). Who cares, you can see it can’t you? Then be happy! There are people out there that have to choose between feeding their families and paying rent. Even they can be happy with the few things they still got. Don’t worry this isn’t a political ranting, cuz I’m about as political as a nun is sexually experienced, but seriously… Why go out and buy a Blu-Ray player or Ps3? All that is going to do is spark a very costly chain of events that will negatively affect you and everyone in your household. Read carefully - I’m going to breakdown the series of events that will pan out once you have purchased your new Blu-Ray player.

You’ve just spent the money and bought a new Blu-Ray player, you hook it up to the TV, and it looks great. Who knew it could look this great? Now, you gotta start rebuilding your DVD collection onto Blu-Ray format, which will cost approximately $30-$40 USD per title. Even though the system up-converts your regular DVDs, you been told that it just doesn’t look quite as good as actual Blu-Ray quality. So you spend a ton on new discs, and you’re finally able to enjoy your entire collection again – but wait… Now your TV is getting a little older (If it’s a plasma, it has just croaked). So you gotta go TV shopping now, and of course it has gotta look good up on the wall, and it CAN’T be anything less than 1080p resolution. Otherwise, it will look like utter garbage in comparison to what you have now become accustomed to.

You’ve bought your new TV (spending about as much money as you would putting a down payment on a car), and you look forward to watching your favorite shows when you return home from work. But alas, you realize that everyone in the house/loft is already watching something when all you want to do is watch some UFC Ultimate Fighter on SPIKE.

So, while your roommate or significant other is watching some garbage show like One Tree Hill or Dancing with the Stars, you get pushed into the bedroom where it’s all standard definition programming. Now it has gotten damn near torturous to watch. Not only did you get booted from the family room, you have to watch your shows on a sub-par set. Time to upgrade the bedroom!

With the exception of rebuilding your Blu-Ray DVD library, you are at it all over again - slowly but surely pissing away more and more money for your viewing pleasure until everything in your house/loft/penthouse/whatever is now optimal HD. What do you do now? You buy the most comfortable furniture possible because you, your family, and guests spend so much damn time in these rooms (watching TV is America’s favorite pastime, thus the reason for laziness and obesity). Besides, you want to make sure that your “peoples” love coming over for the games on Sunday, so they too can appreciate the wondrous accomplishment that is your entertainment room. Or, at least be envious of how cool you are.

Years later, the equipment you have is outdated, the furniture is worn out, and you realize that nobody comes over anymore for the games. Why? Because you and everyone you know would rather go to a bar to get away from all of the “better halves.” Then it hits you… all this time you could’ve just been enjoying what you’ve already got. Chances are you may have been better off because: 1)You’d have gotten in better shape by getting off the couch a little more often, or 2) You could’ve spent money and time on something more productive (i.e. - having a fully restored V8 muscle car in your garage rather than the mountains of old cardboard boxes that contain your now useless products).

Regardless of all the consumer hype surrounding the new HD programming and DVD-formats, I refuse to buy a Blu-Ray player or Sony PS3! I am more than content with my Xbox360… despite all of its flaws and meltdowns. I get to play my video games, and I can still enjoy my DVD collection without having to buy new ones. II will not give into the global fat cats’ plan to take my hard earned moolah. Their ill-attempts to instill a competitive materialistic demeanor upon me will not work. Don’t follow the sheeple of this country, find some balls and be your own person. Or at the very least, buy a treadmill instead of a couch to put in front of that new TV so we can break free from the typical Fat American stereotype.

"Typically, the films cost around double the figure for an ordinary DVD, while many have a recommended price of more than £20.

However, a test by Which? found fewer than one in three Blu-ray films delivered an outstanding difference.

Manufacturers have spent billions of pounds developing the high-definition Blu-ray technology and hope to sell millions of the sophisticated players needed to watch them. However, many consumers have been sceptical about the promised extra image detail - with the result that sales have not taken off as expected.

Which? pointed out that the marketing for the technology promises 'the maximum high-definition experience'.

However, it said there is little consistency in the definition offered by movies sold in Blu-ray - with a major gulf between the best and worst.

The organisation's experts used two identical TVs to simultaneously watch Blu-ray and standard DVD versions of 17 films.

Around half of the Blu-rays offered only a marginal improvement. Four, including Grease and Gandhi, were better, and just five offered an outstanding improvement.

Which? said: 'Only five Blu-rays, such as newer films Avatar and Casino Royale, and classics, including Zulu, were of the highest-definition quality we were expecting. A disappointing eight were only marginally better or looked virtually the same as the DVD version.'

Which? asked the body that represents major studios in the UK, the British Video Association, about the vast differences in quality. But it failed to answer the question, instead saying that research showed most consumers thought Blu-ray looked better than DVD.

Which? said: 'We don't dispute that Blu-ray generally does look better than DVD, but based on our test, a big step-up is not a given.' The report said the better-quality films were probably transferred from the original high-quality source, and the worst merely converted to HD from copies of the original.

'HD DVD', supported principally by Toshiba, was originally envisioned to be the successor to the standard DVD format. However, in February 2008, after a protracted high definition disc war, rival Blu-ray won out and Toshiba abandoned its format."

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Other reasons you don't need HD-DVD or Blu-ray

• The jump from VHS to DVD was dramatic and obvious - superior video quality, digital surround sound, non-degrading storage format, multiple audio tracks, bonus features, etc. The jump from DVD to the next generation does not provide any benefits other than higher resolution, which to be fair is a great reason to want that upgrade, but that's it! Plus, DVD's still look pretty damn nice to most people. Don't fall for the "better sound" hype either. 5.1 channel Dolby or DTS is pretty much the best it's going to get. Do you really wantmore speakers behind you than in front of you?
  
• Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD will be a format war, leaving both consumers and retailers very frustrated. Do you want to gamble with investing thousands of dollars in a technology that may not be around in a few years? Some studios will only release their movies on one or the other format (Sony Pictures obviously will only do Blu-ray), which means if you want access to all possible movies, you will either have to buy both players or get a dual-format player. Chances are both formats will not be very successful, because of the insane costs and the fact that most people do not own HDTV's. Besides, the future is probably video on demand, not on disc. Even Bill Gates agrees.
  
• You will need to compare the best blu ray player deals as players and the media are going to be expensive. HD-DVD players will run $500, Blu-ray will be $1,000, and those are minimum prices. Most of the movies will retail for over $30. For computer storage, blank media will also cost around $30 minimum. Surely these costs will drop over time, but that combined with the format war makes it obvious that you should wait a bit before jumping on.
  
• The biggest lie of all is that we even need these new technologies to have HD video on a disc. DVD video has been around for almost 10 years now, and since then vastly superior video compression technologies have been introduced, namely MPEG-4 and all its variants (h.264, DivX, XviD, etc). These compression formats are absolutely amazing in regards to size vs quality. A hi-def movie in any of these formats could easily fit onto a normal DVD, let alone a dual layer one. The only problem is that you can't really 'update' your existing player. In the consumers' best interest, what they would do is release new DVD players that not only supported these newer formats, but also had the ability to be upgraded for future technologies. We wouldn't need these expensive blue lasers to fit more data on a disc. Unfortunately, this solution doesn't line the pockets of shareholders and executives, so it is unlikely to happen.
  
• The public is not ready for a new format already. A lot of people have spent a lot of money building their DVD collections, a format that just became mainstream ~5 years ago. Do you really want to go out and replace all of those movies? These new players will be backwards compatible with your old movies for sure, but if you just blew a grand on a shiny new player, you're going to want to watch your favorite movies in all their HD glory, right? Haven't you ever heard someone say, "Well, looks like now I have to buy another copy of the White Album" ?
  

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Reasons to be outraged by Hollywood

• If your HDTV does not have an HDMI port, or an HDCP-compliant DVI port, you won't be able to watch HD movies in high definition. Bad news for the 3 million people in the US who don't have digital HDTV's and will only be able to connect over analog (component) cables - your movies will be downsampled to 1/4 their resolution, making them essentially the same as a standard DVD. The studios are understandably scared of an open, high quality, digital video interface, so they are insisting that your TV supports digital encryption to fully enjoy its new movies. This helps them to sleep better at night, but realistically only the honest people will be inconvenienced. Someone will likely figure out a way around it, given enough time. Some studios have said they won't enable this restriction for their initial movie launches, but remember they can enable it at any time in the future.
  
• On a similar note, you will also have problems playing these movies on your computer with an internal Blu-ray or HD-DVD drive. If you don't upgrade to an HDCP compliant video card and monitor, you're screwed. An HDCP compatible video card is different than acompliant one, and will not work.
  
• AACS means that Blu-ray and HD-DVD will never be compatible with free software, affecting nearly everyone that wants to view these movies on their computer but isn't running Windows or Mac OS X. While this is a minority of computer users, they should not be ignored. Some might say history is doomed to repeat itself.
  
• Mandatory Managed Copy (MMC) theoretically allows things such as making legal backups and streaming content from one part of your house to another, but the studios have the option of charging you money to do that. The first batch of HD players won't even support MMC. As well, all aspects of MMC will require your player to be connected to the internet, which isn't inherently bad, but is certainly open for abuse. Besides, what if you don't have an available internet connection close to your home theater? What if you don't have broadband? Answer: Too bad. More details re: MMC can be had in this insightful interview with an HD-DVD rep.
  
• It's amazing that MMC even exists, considering this. Choice quote: "Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices". Translation: please purchase another copy of content you have already paid for, thank you.
  
• The MPAA and RIAA think that DRM is more important than human life. Wow.
  
• "Hacking" your player, for example to remove the region coding, or playing a bootlegged disc, may lead your player to self destruct. (Only applies to Blu-ray and BD+ from what I can gather).
  
• More about internet connections: the MPAA originally wanted that to be a requirement just to play these movies. They have sincechanged their mind.
  
• They also originally considered having each disc being playable by only one player, meaning that if you played a new movie in your player, your friend couldn't watch the same disc in his player. Again they changed their mind, but that it was even considered is pretty shocking.
  
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let's implicitly trust SONY the folks that brought you the beta format

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax

so anyway...

blu ray really gets on my tits. i see no point in this being a mass market thing. can't it just be this weird SACD kinda deal that's really expensive and only freaks buy it? because right now it's just an excuse to charge more for the same shit. nothing annoys me more than the HD TOP QUALITY hysteria (well lotsof things do, but just for teh sake of argument etc). do i really need the movie monsturd in blu ray quality? it will kill the cheap shit horror market once the dvds will exit the stage.

60's/70's films like midnight cowboy,texas chain saw massacre,hills have eyes etc benefit from the grain and high resolution works against the innate "charm" of the og film stock

  On 5/10/2012 at 7:20 AM, zaphod said:

lol you can't be serious. if there's a format to embrace it's going to be completely digital and non physical, which is obviously cheaper and more convenient and not a ploy by the man. who the fuck actually still buys dvds and cds? and vinyl is a wasteful hobbyist's format for the collector niche and hipsters who want to appear cultured. welcome to the 21st century, you don't really own anything anyway.

  On 5/10/2012 at 7:40 AM, yikes said:

THE NET EFFECT OF ALL THIS IS DVD’S NOW ARE NOT AS GOOD AS VHS TAPES AND BLURAY IS SLIGHTLY BETTER

Oh my fucking lol

probably one of the best troll threads I've seen on watmm for a while. bravo, yikes, bravo.