Entering the World of Smartphones

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:56 PM, eugene said:

you "don't expect" that on what basis ? if anything i expect computing to go completely mobile in the future, with more and more apps moving from desktop to portable.

there are no contracts in israel, ~20$ a month for unlimited sms, internets, phone usage with no obligations.

Well, why don't you suggest what those mystery resource-sapping apps might be?

I use my phone for email, navigation, messaging, web browsing, watching youtube videos, listening to music, viewing documents and some light word-processing when I'm away from my work or home computers. And even with an underclocked CPU, my phone does all that without breaking a sweat... and I'm not sure what else I need it to do.

Even if some radical new use for it does come along in the next couple of years, I doubt it'll require a dual-core CPU and intensive graphics processing.

I think the same can be said for most computing tasks that could conceivably "go mobile". Except gaming. But honestly, playing games on a touchscreen is kind of a pain as far as I'm concerned.

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:49 PM, eugene said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:37 PM, chenGOD said:

If you're big on Windows, Samsung just put out the first Windows 8 smartphone:

http://www.engadget....s-details-leak/

 

Personally i really don't like the interface, but some might.

does windows-based phone mean it's compatible with typical pc-windows software ?

I believe not at present, but i know there are howls of outrage from the technorati over Windows implementing the same interface on their desktop OS. So i imagine MS's "vision" is of a unified software environment where apps run equally well on both phones and desktops/laptops.

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:57 PM, oscillik said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:44 PM, Iain C said:

Are you a Galaxy Nexus user Osc?

 

I am a Nexus user, and always have been. Even so far as using the spiritual predecessor of the Nexus devices, the ADP1

I'm a convert from BlackBerry - and I am never, ever going back. It's Nexus all the way from now on. I'm in awe of how committed the development community for this phone is.

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:07 PM, Iain C said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:56 PM, eugene said:

you "don't expect" that on what basis ? if anything i expect computing to go completely mobile in the future, with more and more apps moving from desktop to portable.

there are no contracts in israel, ~20$ a month for unlimited sms, internets, phone usage with no obligations.

 

Well, why don't you suggest what those mystery resource-sapping apps might be?

 

I use my phone for email, navigation, messaging, web browsing, watching youtube videos, listening to music, viewing documents and some light word-processing when I'm away from my work or home computers. And even with an underclocked CPU, my phone does all that without breaking a sweat... and I'm not sure what else I need it to do.

 

Even if some radical new use for it does come along in the next couple of years, I doubt it'll require a dual-core CPU and intensive graphics processing.

 

I think the same can be said for most computing tasks that could conceivably "go mobile". Except gaming. But honestly, playing games on a touchscreen is kind of a pain as far as I'm concerned.

DAWs, something like mobile SPSS would be nice, games too, you can connect blutooth controllers to it after all.

there's a lot of room for improvement for gps's too which can go more and more graphically complex.

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:10 PM, Iain C said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:57 PM, oscillik said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:44 PM, Iain C said:

Are you a Galaxy Nexus user Osc?

 

I am a Nexus user, and always have been. Even so far as using the spiritual predecessor of the Nexus devices, the ADP1

 

I'm a convert from BlackBerry - and I am never, ever going back. It's Nexus all the way from now on. I'm in awe of how committed the development community for this phone is.

Yeah, it's pretty cool what people can achieve when given unfettered access to the innards

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:20 PM, eugene said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:07 PM, Iain C said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:56 PM, eugene said:

you "don't expect" that on what basis ? if anything i expect computing to go completely mobile in the future, with more and more apps moving from desktop to portable.

there are no contracts in israel, ~20$ a month for unlimited sms, internets, phone usage with no obligations.

 

Well, why don't you suggest what those mystery resource-sapping apps might be?

 

I use my phone for email, navigation, messaging, web browsing, watching youtube videos, listening to music, viewing documents and some light word-processing when I'm away from my work or home computers. And even with an underclocked CPU, my phone does all that without breaking a sweat... and I'm not sure what else I need it to do.

 

Even if some radical new use for it does come along in the next couple of years, I doubt it'll require a dual-core CPU and intensive graphics processing.

 

I think the same can be said for most computing tasks that could conceivably "go mobile". Except gaming. But honestly, playing games on a touchscreen is kind of a pain as far as I'm concerned.

 

DAWs, something like mobile SPSS would be nice, games too, you can connect blutooth controllers to it after all.

there's a lot of room for improvement for gps's too which can go more and more graphically complex.

DAWs....on a mobile phone?

lol

lol

hang on.

LOL

People are up in arms over phones getting bigger screens. People already balk at the 'size' of my Galaxy Nexus (with a 4.65" screen). Nanoloop runs just about fine on it, but it's certainly not a DAW. And you want a phone that you can use a DAW on? On a touch screen? With controls large enough to be played with human fingers?

I'll concede that having the ability to plug your phone into a larger display, along with a keyboard and mouse would be cool....but we're years away from anything like that being actually exploited. Motorola tried it with the Atrix, and failed (mostly because they wanted to charge an arm and a fucking leg for the accessories). It'll happen, yes. But not for a long time. And there certainly won't be many applications that exploit its potential anytime soon.

Literally the only applications that are exploiting the 5-core CPU and 12-core GPU of my Nexus 7 tablet are games, and even then they're only touching the surface.

I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S2 can't wait for it to come

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:47 PM, oscillik said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:10 PM, Iain C said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:57 PM, oscillik said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:44 PM, Iain C said:

Are you a Galaxy Nexus user Osc?

 

I am a Nexus user, and always have been. Even so far as using the spiritual predecessor of the Nexus devices, the ADP1

 

I'm a convert from BlackBerry - and I am never, ever going back. It's Nexus all the way from now on. I'm in awe of how committed the development community for this phone is.

 

Yeah, it's pretty cool what people can achieve when given unfettered access to the innards

 

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:20 PM, eugene said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 8:07 PM, Iain C said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 7:56 PM, eugene said:

you "don't expect" that on what basis ? if anything i expect computing to go completely mobile in the future, with more and more apps moving from desktop to portable.

there are no contracts in israel, ~20$ a month for unlimited sms, internets, phone usage with no obligations.

 

Well, why don't you suggest what those mystery resource-sapping apps might be?

 

I use my phone for email, navigation, messaging, web browsing, watching youtube videos, listening to music, viewing documents and some light word-processing when I'm away from my work or home computers. And even with an underclocked CPU, my phone does all that without breaking a sweat... and I'm not sure what else I need it to do.

 

Even if some radical new use for it does come along in the next couple of years, I doubt it'll require a dual-core CPU and intensive graphics processing.

 

I think the same can be said for most computing tasks that could conceivably "go mobile". Except gaming. But honestly, playing games on a touchscreen is kind of a pain as far as I'm concerned.

 

DAWs, something like mobile SPSS would be nice, games too, you can connect blutooth controllers to it after all.

there's a lot of room for improvement for gps's too which can go more and more graphically complex.

 

DAWs....on a mobile phone?

lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

hang on.

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

 

 

 

People are up in arms over phones getting bigger screens. People already balk at the 'size' of my Galaxy Nexus (with a 4.65" screen). Nanoloop runs just about fine on it, but it's certainly not a DAW. And you want a phone that you can use a DAW on? On a touch screen? With controls large enough to be played with human fingers?

 

I'll concede that having the ability to plug your phone into a larger display, along with a keyboard and mouse would be cool....but we're years away from anything like that being actually exploited. Motorola tried it with the Atrix, and failed (mostly because they wanted to charge an arm and a fucking leg for the accessories). It'll happen, yes. But not for a long time. And there certainly won't be many applications that exploit its potential anytime soon.

 

Literally the only applications that are exploiting the 5-core CPU and 12-core GPU of my Nexus 7 tablet are games, and even then they're only touching the surface.

here's a DAW for an iphone:

(doesn't have to be a full fledged daw really, there are are very power hungry vsts and standalones as you probably know very well, and it would be cool to have some of them on a phone.)

here's mouse and keyboard working with a S3:

don't think i need to prove s3's hdmi connectivity, right ?

also, since when DAW needs to be actually played on with fingers ? you're a nerd, you probably remember IT trackers and such.

I know HDMI is possible, it's possible on my Galaxy Nexus.

my point abut very few apps taking advantage of quad core (and more core) CPUs still stands.

  On 8/30/2012 at 9:34 PM, eugene said:

also, since when DAW needs to be actually played on with fingers ? you're a nerd, you probably remember IT trackers and such.

See, for example, Sunvox:

  On 8/30/2012 at 11:29 PM, oscillik said:

I know HDMI is possible, it's possible on my Galaxy Nexus.

 

my point abut very few apps taking advantage of quad core (and more core) CPUs still stands.

At the present sure - but developers will take advantage of the increasing power - much as software on the desktop has become more CPU/GPU power hungry. That's pretty obvious no?

  On 8/31/2012 at 12:32 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 11:29 PM, oscillik said:

I know HDMI is possible, it's possible on my Galaxy Nexus.

 

my point abut very few apps taking advantage of quad core (and more core) CPUs still stands.

 

At the present sure - but developers will take advantage of the increasing power - much as software on the desktop has become more CPU/GPU power hungry. That's pretty obvious no?

indeed.

But I never said that devs wouldn't eventually take advantage, I said not any time soon.

Take a look at the majority of non-gaming apps on Android. They don't have specific hardware requirements, rather they have specific software requirements. That's exactly my point. Hardware doesn't mean as much as the underlying software does.

alright, we're getting there..what is "not any time soon" in months or years ? did a smartphone you had 2-3 years ago could run anything you normally run nowadays on your current phone comfortably enough ?

  On 8/30/2012 at 11:35 PM, mcbpete said:

  On 8/30/2012 at 9:34 PM, eugene said:

also, since when DAW needs to be actually played on with fingers ? you're a nerd, you probably remember IT trackers and such.

See, for example, Sunvox:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHFSrxlouh8

Technically that's not a DAW, though...

It is very very cool, however.

  On 8/31/2012 at 8:44 AM, eugene said:

alright, we're getting there..what is soon ? did a smartphone you had 2-3 years ago could run anything you normally run nowadays on your current phone comfortably enough ?

In a nutshell, yes.

why don't we crack this nutshell..

  On 8/31/2012 at 10:27 AM, eugene said:

why don't we crack this nutshell..

just as soon as you also justify these applications that

1. are viable on a mobile device with a small touchscreen

2. require more than 1 CPU core, and aren't games.

justify how ? music making programs are viable, games too, as i said i can easily see navigation apps becoming more complex. using the phones as a mobile pc also opens up many options. when Q6600 came out there were also no programs to exploit 4 cores but the devs got into it pretty quick.

another take on this: there are no apps to exploit quadcore/high performance cpus because there were no phones with quadcore cpus, everything gravitated around iphone 4 performance, like everything in gaming gravitates around xbox360, but now there are s3, lg 4x, htc..

ahh the old chicken and the egg argument...

..which has a very strong basis in the current state of video game development.

What are people's opinion on the Galaxy Note?

It's huge, but I gotta say I kinda like the size (have one at work that I've been messing with).

There is also a Note 2 coming in October... Quad core 5.5inch (v1 is 5.25inch)

My buddy has a Note, and it's pretty killer for internet and entertainment.

It's funny, because most of the tech-media blasted it for being too big, the idiots. If it's too big, don't buy it. Actual owners love it.

I could never own one, because I don't wear baggy clothes. I even stopped using a case on my S2 because it was too thick for some of my sexier pants.

my Nexus 7 fits in my cargo pants pocket (and I don't mean the pocket near my knee)

what is it with these skinny hipster trousers?

  On 9/2/2012 at 4:56 AM, Kcinsu said:

What are people's opinion on the Galaxy Note?

 

It's huge, but I gotta say I kinda like the size (have one at work that I've been messing with).

 

There is also a Note 2 coming in October... Quad core 5.5inch (v1 is 5.25inch)

My friend has the note and he loves it. for me personally it's too big, but I can see the appeal.

my mom has the note and it's fine i think she's in love with it, it does look big but it's not really awkward to hold with one hand for phone calls, so if you want it as a reader of sorts then i guess it's the choice to go.