Scare Me

  On 3/1/2013 at 1:04 AM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

 

  On 2/28/2013 at 11:09 PM, yikes said:

i regret watching martyrs

fuck that shit

it's my own fault but still i wish i never saw it.

"if it doesn't uplift the human spirit piss on it"

 

ken kesey

 

 

I had to watch caddyshack and bottlerocket to clean out my psyche before i could move forward in life.

my GF left the room after the shooting scene started and worked on her knitting

i should have helped hold the wool.

next step, Irreversible!

funny

i have a copy of irreversible on dvd and watched about half an hr of it but the shaking camera thing made me more sick than the actual content.

I have yet to finish it

Man Bites dog is funny I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Cannibal Holocaust is disgusting because you see gruesome death scenes and real animals get murdered on screen.

Tetsuo the Iron Man is pretty gross, but I haven't watched most of it.

Uzumaki is very weird, but I can't remember if it is actually scary.

Antichrist is also very fucked up but not really scary. It will have you holding your genitals though.

I personally think psychological stuff is much scarier than slasher type horror. Videogames are better for that type of stuff. Dead Space will freak you out.

If you are really stretching to scare yourself you could try letting someone waterboard you or lay inside a couch with the cushions and lots of blankets on top of you then tip it over and see if the claustrophobia sets in. (get really high first, but don't suffocate)

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  On 3/1/2013 at 2:02 AM, yikes said:

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If you are really stretching to scare yourself you could try letting someone waterboard you or lay inside a couch with the cushions and lots of blankets on top of you then tip it over and see if the claustrophobia sets in. (get really high first, but don't suffocate)"

GOOD ADVICE!

lol

 

I still get feelings of panic whenever I even think about being inside a couch.

This creeped me out

  On 3/1/2013 at 1:22 AM, soundwave said:

 

  On 3/1/2013 at 1:04 AM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

 

  On 2/28/2013 at 11:09 PM, yikes said:

i regret watching martyrs

fuck that shit

it's my own fault but still i wish i never saw it.

"if it doesn't uplift the human spirit piss on it"

 

ken kesey

 

 

I had to watch caddyshack and bottlerocket to clean out my psyche before i could move forward in life.

my GF left the room after the shooting scene started and worked on her knitting

i should have helped hold the wool.

next step, Irreversible!

next step A Serbian Film

Irreversible and A Serbian Film in particular are the only films that have had such an effect on me I felt depressed for days after watching. Apart from that, Event Horizon is one that really got me when I first saw it as a teenager and it's still unsettling to watch. The Descent is a good film, really claustrophobic. Everything else I can think of off the top of my head has been said already by the looks of it. Good thread, few things I haven't seen yet and I will make a point of doing so

A Serbian Film to me left a nasty taste in the mouth because the film was fucking awful, Z-movie dross. Actually, it would've been more interesting if it were Z-movie dross. It was too bland for that.

But because the creators chose to use that kind of subject matter they thought it elevated their shit horror film to too deep/high art/makin u fink abaht ishoos an stuff greatness.

I would put it in the same category as The Human Centipede, except THC is a vastly superior film because it doesn't take itself so seriously.

  On 3/16/2013 at 12:16 PM, hello spiral said:

A Serbian Film to me left a nasty taste in the mouth because the film was fucking awful, Z-movie dross. Actually, it would've been more interesting if it were Z-movie dross. It was too bland for that.

I'm not seeing quite why you thought it was dross, and I'm definitely not understanding how you found it 'bland'. I can't fault the film in any way personally. The performances, the way the story unfolds, the cinematography, even the score are all on point. I think this film has way more reason to exist than the majority of vacuous CGI porn films that gets churned out pretty much constantly. The subject matter is difficult to stomach and I probably won't watch it again if I'm honest. But I would rather watch a film that 'makes u fink abaht ishoos' than one that doesn't.

Yes, Cube trilogy. The first one is the real good one, the scary one. Scary in a way that makes you think and get anxious if you have some empathy with the characters and the situation.

Then the second and third ones lose the mistery of the first one, because it's the same concept, thing that they replace with: mathematical theories and nonsense in the second, and with action in the third.

Over the last couple of days I've been analysing the sound design in the "diner scene" from Mulholland Drive, so I've watched that scene close to 15 times now (not counting the amount of times I've watched the movie) and that scene gets under my skin every single time. That thing that happens at the end gives me such goosebumps.

Do yourself a favour and watch Mulholland Drive with headphones on, because 80% of why that movie is so fucking horrifying is due to the sound design.

  On 3/16/2013 at 4:32 PM, Squee said:

Over the last couple of days I've been analysing the sound design in the "diner scene" from Mulholland Drive, so I've watched that scene close to 15 times now (not counting the amount of times I've watched the movie) and that scene gets under my skin every single time. That thing that happens at the end gives me such goosebumps.

Do yourself a favour and watch Mulholland Drive with headphones on, because 80% of why that movie is so fucking horrifying is due to the sound design.

this.

also: this

  On 3/16/2013 at 9:01 PM, kieselguhr kid said:

 

  On 3/16/2013 at 4:32 PM, Squee said:

Over the last couple of days I've been analysing the sound design in the "diner scene" from Mulholland Drive, so I've watched that scene close to 15 times now (not counting the amount of times I've watched the movie) and that scene gets under my skin every single time. That thing that happens at the end gives me such goosebumps.

Do yourself a favour and watch Mulholland Drive with headphones on, because 80% of why that movie is so fucking horrifying is due to the sound design.

 

this.

 

 

 

 

also: this

 

Yep - I'm actually analysing the Mystery Man's appearance in Lost Highway as well.

  On 3/16/2013 at 9:09 PM, Squee said:

 

  On 3/16/2013 at 9:01 PM, kieselguhr kid said:

 

  On 3/16/2013 at 4:32 PM, Squee said:

Over the last couple of days I've been analysing the sound design in the "diner scene" from Mulholland Drive, so I've watched that scene close to 15 times now (not counting the amount of times I've watched the movie) and that scene gets under my skin every single time. That thing that happens at the end gives me such goosebumps.

Do yourself a favour and watch Mulholland Drive with headphones on, because 80% of why that movie is so fucking horrifying is due to the sound design.

 

this.

 

 

 

 

also: this

 

 

Yep - I'm actually analysing the Mystery Man's appearance in Lost Highway as well.

Are you doing that for something work-related (I still have no idea what you do) or for improving your sound design chops or just as a general curiosity?

  On 3/17/2013 at 12:08 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 3/16/2013 at 9:09 PM, Squee said:

 

  On 3/16/2013 at 9:01 PM, kieselguhr kid said:

 

  On 3/16/2013 at 4:32 PM, Squee said:

Over the last couple of days I've been analysing the sound design in the "diner scene" from Mulholland Drive, so I've watched that scene close to 15 times now (not counting the amount of times I've watched the movie) and that scene gets under my skin every single time. That thing that happens at the end gives me such goosebumps.

Do yourself a favour and watch Mulholland Drive with headphones on, because 80% of why that movie is so fucking horrifying is due to the sound design.

 

this.

 

 

 

 

also: this

 

 

Yep - I'm actually analysing the Mystery Man's appearance in Lost Highway as well.

 

Are you doing that for something work-related (I still have no idea what you do) or for improving your sound design chops or just as a general curiosity?

No, this is for my master thesis. I've decided to write about sound and music in dreams in movies. Typical academic bullshit where I write about stuff that no one cares about except for me. But hey, it's the very last obstacle before I can break free and focus on my job and other things.

But man, I love those two scenes so much. So, so much!

that actually sounds pretty awesome.

what sources are you focusing on? (other than the two mentioned here)

  On 3/17/2013 at 12:33 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

that actually sounds pretty awesome.

 

what sources are you focusing on? (other than the two mentioned here)

Okay, I'm gonna see if I can describe this without crawling up my own asshole... bare with me...

I suck as writing academic papers because I usually don't know why I do the things I do when I work on music. To me it just has to feel right. Fuck what some academic said 80 years ago about soundscapes, because if the result isn't good then your client won't be happy... yeah, like I said... bare with me :)

I thought it would be interesting to see if there's a common thread to dreams in movies when it comes to sound. Is there one auditory trick that "everyone" (take that with a grain of salt) in Hollywood makes use of whenever they're directing dream sequences in movies. Since I'm a huge fan of David Lynch's Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway I thought it would be stupid not to talk about those two movies.

So yeah, I'll only be focusing on Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway, actually. I am thinking about writing about that track from Inception where they've sampled Edith Piaf's "Non, Je Regrette Rien" but I'm not sure yet. It would be interesting to have a look at the sound in Inception because it's a blockbuster movie, whereas David Lynch's movies would probably be seen as art movies, I guess.

Anyway, I'm focusing on the classical idea of dreams consisting of thoughts, traumas, dreams, and wishes that you've experienced/had throughout your day. Since I'm not studying psychology I won't be focusing too much on the whole psychoanalytic stuff, but I feel it's important to at least mention Freud since he's the grand old dream daddy, right? In his "Interpretations of Dreams" he has written a couple of pages about a dream that is known as "Father, can't you see I'm burning", where a father describes a dream he had about his recently deceased son. In the dream the son is standing in front of the father - and he's on fire. He asks his father "can't you see I'm burning?" and he grabs his arm. The father then wakes up to the smell of smoke and a bright light from the adjoining room. He runs in to the room where his son's body, wrapped in sheets is, and sees that a candle has fallen on him and burned parts of his body. So this dream proves a bunch of things: 1) the father has lost his son which of course is a deep trauma and then he sees him in his dream. 2) The father wishes for his son to be alive again and in his dream the son is alive - yet on fire. 3) The father combines things from reality with his dreams.

And that's the most important thing about that story. Dreams are based on things from our everyday lives.

So I made the sound design/music for an art video back in november and it is all about dreams. and this is all great and well because in the music I made, I, without knowing anything about Freud's ideas, actually incorporated sounds from everyday things. Not only that but I manipulated a bunch of the sounds so they ended up sounding like ambient pads and so on. Also, in one scene in the art film where the main character has trouble sleeping you can hear faint voices in the background. You can't really tell what they're saying, but you can tell that there are voices.

In order for this to make any sense to anyone except for me, you have to look at the diner scene from Mulholland Drive as a dream. I'm almost positive that it's a dream and I have many reasons to believe that, but I don't wanna start mentioning them here. We can talk about that in the David Lynch thread :)

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So, in the diner scene in Mulholland Drive, Dan tells Herb his dream about the man behind Dinkie's. In the beginning of that scene you can clearly hear the ambience in the diner. You can hear the cutlery and plates rattling from the back of the diner, you can clearly hear the cars driving outside on West El Segundo Boulevard and so on. Everything seems pretty normal. But as soon as Dan (the guy with the awesome face) starts to talk about his dream, the ambience from the diner starts to fade away, and at one point the only thing you can hear is his voice and the dark drone music that had replaced the natural ambience. Each time Dan changes the subject slightly (not talking directly about what happened in his dream) the sound of the cars and the diner fade ever so slowly back into the soundtrack). This means that every time Dan talks about his dream, the fear of the dream and the dream itself emerges as sound/drone music.

I know I'm reading a LOT into this, but hey... I'm a pseudo academic.

As Herb opens the door so they can leave the diner a car passes by - I can't believe I hadn't noticed this until about a month ago - the sound of the car passing by is drenched in reverb. So much that it ends up merging with the drone music that still plays in the background. You don't really notice this, but real life sounds actually merge with the music, which I think is brillant and which is kinda Freudian since he was talking about things from your everyday life being entering your dreams.

Then I've written something about this idea I have that my counsellor calls an "aesthetic idea". I've always seen reverb as the auditory equivalent to blurriness. By blurring things on a photo you can obscurre faces, objects, and so on. The same goes for sound - at least according to me. By drenching a piano chord in reverb (and we're talking about a LOT of reverb here) we can obscure the sound. When you blur an image you can still kinda tell what is hiddin the behind the blur. You won't be able to tell all the small details, but you can definitely see that there's a face/coke bottle/something underneath all that blur. And again, the same goes for sound. You can recognise the sound of the piano, but a lot of the detail disappears. As a matter of fact, if you look at a sound that has been drenched in reverb through a spectral analyser then you can see how the sound gets blurred. It loses all the "sharp" details that the reverb now hides.

The reason why I've written this is that a lot of people I know, including myself, can rarely remember faces, or at least describe faces, locations, and objects in dreams in great detail. Usually, my description of a person from my dreams is binary. It's either someone who wants to kill me or not (holy shit, what does that tell you about my everyday life?). But I can't go into detail describing their faces like I would be able to if it had been someone I had met in real life. So in other words, my dreams are extremely blurry. And hey! Reverb always plays a big role in dreams in movies.

Okay, I should stop now before I end up looking like the next sinicalypse.

I hope that answers your question, haha :)

all i can say to that is very, very interesting...especially the last part...id love to hear what you find out along the way!

That sounds like rad stuff Squee.

One thing that comes to mind is the evolutionary psychology perspective on dreams as being riddled with fear and anxiety in order to prepare us for threats in the real world. A bit like a rehearsal.

Thanks guys :)

I'm glad it made just a tiny bit of sense, because every now and then I stop up and think, "Holy shit, does this even make any sense at all?"

did anyone already mention croneberg's the brood? it has red hooded dwarves in it, but is way scarier than don't look now. one of my favourite cronenberg movies. love 'em all though, especially the early ones.

(edit: i deleted the second pic for being too much of a spoiler. can't figure out how to use the spoiler-function when posting... )

the true test to me of whether a movie is scary (read: disturbing) is if i can't handle it on lsd... that said, salo and a clockwork orange

you do that much lsd?

  On 3/19/2013 at 6:39 AM, marf said:

you do that much lsd?

not anymore, now i am drugs