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  On 4/23/2013 at 1:58 PM, jules said:

i've thought about that too actually, but i don't think you can wait 8 years to release all old stuff. there is definitely new music coming but the addition of some old stuff is certainly within the realm of possibilities.

i'm good with all the willy wonka-type stuff, but i'm actually going to be pissed if all we get is cleaned up old tunes with pretty packaging. i want new tunes, or unheard old tunes

 

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:59 PM, keltoi said:

 

https://twitter.com/RoughTrade/status/326680731776581632/photo/1

 

these photos are too manipulated to be anything near credible

 

flol boc fans are funny...

 

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Interesting comment from Heliosphane about IP Address 93.6.5.57 is from Dax in France. I googled Dax and it showed that the city gained some reputation after the visit of the daughter of Emperor Octavius Augustus. Her name is Julia (a nod to Julie and Candy?). Dax is also the place of birth of a mathematician called Jean-Charles de Borda. Upon the introduction of the metric system in France, Borda was in charge to build a Table of Logarithms for measuring the angles in the new units for navigation (keep that in mind). There is an asteroid named after him – it is number 175726. If you google 175726, Streetmap.co.uk will tell you that, along with 507168, 175726 is the location of Heathrow Airport (did you kept that Borda was in charge of adapting navigation to the metric system in mind?). The mystery only adds up, but it is really interesting – it is like I am one of the characters in Eco’s “Foucault’s Pendulum”.

 

these are not fans, they are obsessives, and they make me want shutter my internet until the album is released.

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:00 PM, phudoshin said:

they're not that manipulated

 

Manipulated enough to strip of credibility

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:06 PM, fumi said:

"The internet is evil. Wake Up."

 

Unless, of course, you're hyping a new album.

 

exactly what I've been thinking all along.

  On 4/23/2013 at 3:14 AM, rddm said:

^ fuck the mainstream or something like that

lol bluewater whitewater flew into the sun coma white

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:59 PM, keltoi said:

 

https://twitter.com/RoughTrade/status/326680731776581632/photo/1

 

these photos are too manipulated to be anything near credible

 

What's there to doubt about that photograph, really?

Guest Gravity
  On 4/23/2013 at 2:21 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

So, how many sets of numbers have been confirmed so far? Only the first one?

 

Two sets, the first from the guy in NY and the second from that Hell Interface linked video.

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:18 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:00 PM, phudoshin said:

they're not that manipulated

 

Manipulated enough to strip of credibility

 

you think, coming from the rough trade twitter? what do they have to gain? publicity i guess? but it's not like it's a different 12" in the set, or whatever it is we're talking about here.

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:25 PM, pattern recognition said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:18 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:00 PM, phudoshin said:

they're not that manipulated

 

Manipulated enough to strip of credibility

 

you think, coming from the rough trade twitter? what do they have to gain? publicity i guess? but it's not like it's a different 12" in the set, or whatever it is we're talking about here.

 

exactly. it's not like it's a different 12" in the set.

 

so why even post a picture about it?

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:23 PM, apriorion said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:59 PM, keltoi said:

 

https://twitter.com/RoughTrade/status/326680731776581632/photo/1

 

these photos are too manipulated to be anything near credible

 

What's there to doubt about that photograph, really?

 

 

doubt everything.

 

tumblr_m849f9LcZY1qcs7kp.gif

jjbms1.jpg

 

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  On 4/23/2013 at 2:43 PM, Gravity said:

lol

 

Surprised you didn't pull out the old House of Pain vinyl. :biggrin:

I can't anymore, there's no room left :( the Exai promo killed it

Guest Ron Manager
  On 4/23/2013 at 1:18 PM, zkreso said:

edit: also LOL^^

 

Why has noone in 35 pages scolded the OP for using the word "vinyls" yet?

 

WATMM, I am disappoint!

 

again, my point that nobody is actually reading this thread, as you're at least the third person to 'point this out'.

 

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:03 PM, jules said:

4gqn9t.jpg

 

the best so far!

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:17 PM, pattern recognition said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:58 PM, jules said:

i've thought about that too actually, but i don't think you can wait 8 years to release all old stuff. there is definitely new music coming but the addition of some old stuff is certainly within the realm of possibilities.

i'm good with all the willy wonka-type stuff, but i'm actually going to be pissed if all we get is cleaned up old tunes with pretty packaging. i want new tunes, or unheard old tunes

 

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:59 PM, keltoi said:

 

https://twitter.com/RoughTrade/status/326680731776581632/photo/1

 

these photos are too manipulated to be anything near credible

 

flol boc fans are funny...

 

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Interesting comment from Heliosphane about IP Address 93.6.5.57 is from Dax in France. I googled Dax and it showed that the city gained some reputation after the visit of the daughter of Emperor Octavius Augustus. Her name is Julia (a nod to Julie and Candy?). Dax is also the place of birth of a mathematician called Jean-Charles de Borda. Upon the introduction of the metric system in France, Borda was in charge to build a Table of Logarithms for measuring the angles in the new units for navigation (keep that in mind). There is an asteroid named after him – it is number 175726. If you google 175726, Streetmap.co.uk will tell you that, along with 507168, 175726 is the location of Heathrow Airport (did you kept that Borda was in charge of adapting navigation to the metric system in mind?). The mystery only adds up, but it is really interesting – it is like I am one of the characters in Eco’s “Foucault’s Pendulum”.

 

these are not fans, they are obsessives, and they make me want shutter my internet until the album is released.

 

 

they're only putting the fan in fanatic.

 

it's hilarious.

jjbms1.jpg

 

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  On 4/23/2013 at 1:54 PM, kinski said:

judging from the fact that music on vinyl sounds like EYDIAB, and they are referencing the video, and using hell interface moniker, and clues are in the julie and candy live vid, everyone should consider t's not much the new album, but the long awaited so colled bocset coming up.

I think Joyrex said it was new material at some point...

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:51 PM, keltoi said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:17 PM, pattern recognition said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:58 PM, jules said:

i've thought about that too actually, but i don't think you can wait 8 years to release all old stuff. there is definitely new music coming but the addition of some old stuff is certainly within the realm of possibilities.

 

i'm good with all the willy wonka-type stuff, but i'm actually going to be pissed if all we get is cleaned up old tunes with pretty packaging. i want new tunes, or unheard old tunes

 

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 1:59 PM, keltoi said:

https://twitter.com/RoughTrade/status/326680731776581632/photo/1

 

these photos are too manipulated to be anything near credible

flol boc fans are funny...

 

 

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Interesting comment from Heliosphane about IP Address 93.6.5.57 is from Dax in France. I googled Dax and it showed that the city gained some reputation after the visit of the daughter of Emperor Octavius Augustus. Her name is Julia (a nod to Julie and Candy?). Dax is also the place of birth of a mathematician called Jean-Charles de Borda. Upon the introduction of the metric system in France, Borda was in charge to build a Table of Logarithms for measuring the angles in the new units for navigation (keep that in mind). There is an asteroid named after him – it is number 175726. If you google 175726, Streetmap.co.uk will tell you that, along with 507168, 175726 is the location of Heathrow Airport (did you kept that Borda was in charge of adapting navigation to the metric system in mind?). The mystery only adds up, but it is really interesting – it is like I am one of the characters in Eco’s “Foucault’s Pendulum”.

 

these are not fans, they are obsessives, and they make me want shutter my internet until the album is released.

they're only putting the fan in fanatic.

 

it's hilarious.

If you're looking for fanatics, check this link.

 

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23%23BoardsOfCanada&uio=d4

Insanity.

 

[23:53] <subset> I remember reading something like this

[23:53] <piaamp> blimp: sorry....not musically inclined, but I used transcription software to check

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[23:53] <blimp> piaamp no worries

[23:53] <ArchdukeJFranz> I disagree, csch.ca could totally be related to cracking the code without any input from Warp or BOC

[23:54] <will-ambientmusi> Subset, no I checked the IP addresses myself and they are NOT the same

[23:54] <+mvj> sorry to go off topic for a sec but im about to listen to cosmogramma on vinyl for the first time and i have no idea which side is A or B

[23:54] <piaamp> blimp: forgot G# Ab were the same...Doh

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[23:54] <+mvj> lol

[23:54] <ArchdukeJFranz> blimp, are any of those 5 notes played twice as long?

[23:54] <piaamp> the last is twice as long as the rest

[23:54] <piaamp> then it repeats

[23:55] <ArchdukeJFranz> That's the same as the last recording

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> Are the notes the same, I don't recall

[23:57] <piaamp> yes

[23:57] <rullo> soo, anyone else thinking they gonna release 6/6 ? Since they "fucked up" last time and now is the chance to do it again ( 6 / 6 / 2+0+1+3 )

[23:57] <blimp> ArchdukeJFranz I haven't actually figured it out yet, hold on a sec

[23:57] <subset> bummer, those symbols looked so like a clue of some sort

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[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> And the numbers? (I'm in class)

[23:57] <Breadward> could the letters CSCH correspond to the accompanying code 717228?

[23:57] <subset> anyone figured out what they actually are? is it some language I'm just not familiar with?

[23:57] <Breadward> if c = 7

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> subset: what symbols are you refering to?

[23:57] <beards> anything useful here?

[23:57] <beards> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Ab%2C+Db%2C+Eb%2C+Bb%2C+C

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[23:57] <jickMagger> csch.ca was registered in 2001, so unless they're just using the page as some form of reference, it's probably not directly related

[23:57] <piaamp> ArchdukeJFranz: 936557 and 717228

[23:57] <qwebirc562766> Bah, just lost my connection. Lost all that back chatter :(

[23:57] <subset> in the logo here http://csch.ca/

[23:57] <piaamp> subset: It's Inuit

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[23:57] <subset> piaamp: thanks

[23:57] <piaamp> subset: don't think csch.ca has anything to do with it

[23:57] <subset> and I assume it means the same?

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> piaamp, I think it is significant that is it titled csch though

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[23:57] <blimp> yeah ArchdukeJFranz piaamp think it's more or less Ab Bb C... Ab (Db Eb) Bb C... Ab (Db Eb) Bb C... oscilating

[23:57] <blimp> where () indicates lower

[23:57] <blimp> and "..." indicates held out longer

[23:57] <will2-ambientmus> Bah, just lost my connection. Lost all that back chatter :(

[23:57] <subset> piaamp: I'm starting to think that too now

[23:57] <Chronical> what about csch.com, that one looks kinda weird

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[23:58] <subset> seeing clues everywhere... :)

[23:58] <piaamp> subset: yeah, "Canadian Society for Circumpolar Health" I assume

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[23:58] <will2-ambientmus> csch.com is nothing, just a parked domain

[23:58] <ArchdukeJFranz> blimp, so those aren't the same notes as the last transmission

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[23:58] <blimp> no, it's the same

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[23:59] <ArchdukeJFranz> I recall the last note in the first record being the one that was double length

Guest minorsix
  On 4/23/2013 at 2:59 PM, fumi said:

Insanity.

 

[23:53] <subset> I remember reading something like this

[23:53] <piaamp> blimp: sorry....not musically inclined, but I used transcription software to check

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[23:53] <blimp> piaamp no worries

[23:53] <ArchdukeJFranz> I disagree, csch.ca could totally be related to cracking the code without any input from Warp or BOC

[23:54] <will-ambientmusi> Subset, no I checked the IP addresses myself and they are NOT the same

[23:54] <+mvj> sorry to go off topic for a sec but im about to listen to cosmogramma on vinyl for the first time and i have no idea which side is A or B

[23:54] <piaamp> blimp: forgot G# Ab were the same...Doh

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[23:54] <+mvj> lol

[23:54] <ArchdukeJFranz> blimp, are any of those 5 notes played twice as long?

[23:54] <piaamp> the last is twice as long as the rest

[23:54] <piaamp> then it repeats

[23:55] <ArchdukeJFranz> That's the same as the last recording

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> Are the notes the same, I don't recall

[23:57] <piaamp> yes

[23:57] <rullo> soo, anyone else thinking they gonna release 6/6 ? Since they "fucked up" last time and now is the chance to do it again ( 6 / 6 / 2+0+1+3 )

[23:57] <blimp> ArchdukeJFranz I haven't actually figured it out yet, hold on a sec

[23:57] <subset> bummer, those symbols looked so like a clue of some sort

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[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> And the numbers? (I'm in class)

[23:57] <Breadward> could the letters CSCH correspond to the accompanying code 717228?

[23:57] <subset> anyone figured out what they actually are? is it some language I'm just not familiar with?

[23:57] <Breadward> if c = 7

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> subset: what symbols are you refering to?

[23:57] <beards> anything useful here?

[23:57] <beards> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Ab%2C+Db%2C+Eb%2C+Bb%2C+C

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[23:57] <jickMagger> csch.ca was registered in 2001, so unless they're just using the page as some form of reference, it's probably not directly related

[23:57] <piaamp> ArchdukeJFranz: 936557 and 717228

[23:57] <qwebirc562766> Bah, just lost my connection. Lost all that back chatter :(

[23:57] <subset> in the logo here http://csch.ca/

[23:57] <piaamp> subset: It's Inuit

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[23:57] <subset> piaamp: thanks

[23:57] <piaamp> subset: don't think csch.ca has anything to do with it

[23:57] <subset> and I assume it means the same?

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> piaamp, I think it is significant that is it titled csch though

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[23:57] <blimp> yeah ArchdukeJFranz piaamp think it's more or less Ab Bb C... Ab (Db Eb) Bb C... Ab (Db Eb) Bb C... oscilating

[23:57] <blimp> where () indicates lower

[23:57] <blimp> and "..." indicates held out longer

[23:57] <will2-ambientmus> Bah, just lost my connection. Lost all that back chatter :(

[23:57] <subset> piaamp: I'm starting to think that too now

[23:57] <Chronical> what about csch.com, that one looks kinda weird

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[23:58] <subset> seeing clues everywhere... :)

[23:58] <piaamp> subset: yeah, "Canadian Society for Circumpolar Health" I assume

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[23:58] <will2-ambientmus> csch.com is nothing, just a parked domain

[23:58] <ArchdukeJFranz> blimp, so those aren't the same notes as the last transmission

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[23:58] <blimp> no, it's the same

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[23:59] <ArchdukeJFranz> I recall the last note in the first record being the one that was double length

 

Man, it seems like you're spending about as much time observing the "insanity" and complaining about it, or saying a page or more ago how you're "losing interest" and then you stick around. Surely even you will acknowledge at this point there's a decent chance that there's some sort of code or puzzle going on here? Well, any attempt at decoding that puzzle that doesn't instantly click and reveal an obvious answer is going to appear obscure and ridiculous. Stop trying to be hip and uneager.

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[23:57] <rullo> soo, anyone else thinking they gonna release 6/6 ? Since they "fucked up" last time and now is the chance to do it again ( 6 / 6 / 2+0+1+3 )

 

edit: brain farted

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  On 4/23/2013 at 3:07 PM, minorsix said:

 

  On 4/23/2013 at 2:59 PM, fumi said:

Insanity.

 

[23:53] <subset> I remember reading something like this

[23:53] <piaamp> blimp: sorry....not musically inclined, but I used transcription software to check

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[23:53] <blimp> piaamp no worries

[23:53] <ArchdukeJFranz> I disagree, csch.ca could totally be related to cracking the code without any input from Warp or BOC

[23:54] <will-ambientmusi> Subset, no I checked the IP addresses myself and they are NOT the same

[23:54] <+mvj> sorry to go off topic for a sec but im about to listen to cosmogramma on vinyl for the first time and i have no idea which side is A or B

[23:54] <piaamp> blimp: forgot G# Ab were the same...Doh

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[23:54] <+mvj> lol

[23:54] <ArchdukeJFranz> blimp, are any of those 5 notes played twice as long?

[23:54] <piaamp> the last is twice as long as the rest

[23:54] <piaamp> then it repeats

[23:55] <ArchdukeJFranz> That's the same as the last recording

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> Are the notes the same, I don't recall

[23:57] <piaamp> yes

[23:57] <rullo> soo, anyone else thinking they gonna release 6/6 ? Since they "fucked up" last time and now is the chance to do it again ( 6 / 6 / 2+0+1+3 )

[23:57] <blimp> ArchdukeJFranz I haven't actually figured it out yet, hold on a sec

[23:57] <subset> bummer, those symbols looked so like a clue of some sort

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[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> And the numbers? (I'm in class)

[23:57] <Breadward> could the letters CSCH correspond to the accompanying code 717228?

[23:57] <subset> anyone figured out what they actually are? is it some language I'm just not familiar with?

[23:57] <Breadward> if c = 7

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> subset: what symbols are you refering to?

[23:57] <beards> anything useful here?

[23:57] <beards> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Ab%2C+Db%2C+Eb%2C+Bb%2C+C

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[23:57] <jickMagger> csch.ca was registered in 2001, so unless they're just using the page as some form of reference, it's probably not directly related

[23:57] <piaamp> ArchdukeJFranz: 936557 and 717228

[23:57] <qwebirc562766> Bah, just lost my connection. Lost all that back chatter :(

[23:57] <subset> in the logo here http://csch.ca/

[23:57] <piaamp> subset: It's Inuit

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[23:57] <subset> piaamp: thanks

[23:57] <piaamp> subset: don't think csch.ca has anything to do with it

[23:57] <subset> and I assume it means the same?

[23:57] <ArchdukeJFranz> piaamp, I think it is significant that is it titled csch though

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[23:57] <blimp> yeah ArchdukeJFranz piaamp think it's more or less Ab Bb C... Ab (Db Eb) Bb C... Ab (Db Eb) Bb C... oscilating

[23:57] <blimp> where () indicates lower

[23:57] <blimp> and "..." indicates held out longer

[23:57] <will2-ambientmus> Bah, just lost my connection. Lost all that back chatter :(

[23:57] <subset> piaamp: I'm starting to think that too now

[23:57] <Chronical> what about csch.com, that one looks kinda weird

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[23:58] <subset> seeing clues everywhere... :)

[23:58] <piaamp> subset: yeah, "Canadian Society for Circumpolar Health" I assume

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[23:58] <will2-ambientmus> csch.com is nothing, just a parked domain

[23:58] <ArchdukeJFranz> blimp, so those aren't the same notes as the last transmission

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[23:58] <blimp> no, it's the same

[23:59] == will2-ambientmus has changed nick to will-ambientmusi

[23:59] <ArchdukeJFranz> I recall the last note in the first record being the one that was double length

Man, it seems like you're spending about as much time observing the "insanity" and complaining about it, or saying a page or more ago how you're "losing interest" and then you stick around. Surely even you will acknowledge at this point there's a decent chance that there's some sort of code or puzzle going on here? Well, any attempt at decoding that puzzle that doesn't instantly click and reveal an obvious answer is going to appear obscure and ridiculous. Stop trying to be hip and uneager.

Yeah, it's bad, I know. I don't want to get sucked in. But.....

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