Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:08 PM, goDel said:

True dat. It kinda equals anyone's online persona at this point. Still though, using the label basically functions as a way to disqualify someone, whatever the specific attached meaning. So it's more functional than carrying a specific meaning. The regression part was added to signify the meaning.

 

Hope you're not too drunk atm.

 

@thttne

 

also, LOL

no man, i am a teetotaller... i just have been internetted beyond the point of coherency, i just don't know anymore in other words

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

Uhm I agree about the cassettes. The comment about "a plot of land" is silly. Please don't get anrgy with me. Denial of reality is not helpful either because we can't all go and live in a cave with a 100 other children and 100 talking dogs.

Now if you'll kindly excuse me i have to go and complain on another thread about the delay in getting my fckn digital files from Bleep.

"Troll" simply has also gained a broader meaning of someone who runs around doing dumb things.

And sometimes it only aims to describe clusters of a person's behaviour and not the person themself (theirself? themself?).

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

Babbling? I thought I was rehearsing a pretty compelling line of utilitarian thinking, building on the challenging work of Peter Singer. Oh well.

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:18 PM, HateMaker said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

 

Uhm I agree about the cassettes. The comment about "a plot of land" is silly. Please don't get anrgy with me. Denial of reality is not helpful either because we can't all go and live in a cave with a 100 other children and 100 talking dogs.

 

Now if you'll kindly excuse me i have to go and complain on another thread about the delay in getting my fckn digital files from Bleep.

 

It's not a denial of anything, honestly, my-I-don't-know-anything-about-you-(yet)-friend....just an incredulity at the limited-ness of our 'vision', is all.

Go tear Bleep a new one for me though, you hound!

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:21 PM, apriorion said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

Babbling? I thought I was rehearsing a pretty compelling line of utilitarian thinking, building on the challenging work of Peter Singer. Oh well.

 

Sorry my-yet-to-know-you-too-friend, we are obviously hippies at heart. Apologies.

*hug*

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:25 PM, ravedamage said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:21 PM, apriorion said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

Babbling? I thought I was rehearsing a pretty compelling line of utilitarian thinking, building on the challenging work of Peter Singer. Oh well.

 

Sorry my-yet-to-know-you-too-friend, we are obviously hippies at heart. Apologies.

 

*hug*

 

It's cool. Hugs all 'round.

  On 6/4/2013 at 4:19 PM, Hoodie said:

 

i don't think the legality matters. i think we need to ask ourselves, again, what do you do when someone gives you a gift? what type of person sells it for profit years down the line? do you want to be that sort?

 

I think it all depends on the item that was given as a gift, which clearly depending on what item it is and your desire to have it it's your prerogative as the new owner to sell it or keep it as you wish. 'what type of person?' well again, if mike's relationship with the BOC boys wasn't as close friends, or even acquaintances and it was sent in as an unsolicited demo, then based on this alone it doesn't give any insight whatsoever to his character or ethics. In fact I would say that since he's making this available at all, he's actually doing the rabid fans a favor, and you better believe there are hundreds if not thousands of them who would give one of their limbs to get an original copy of this tape.

To me it's just weird how this in any way is an ethical dilemma.

- somebody is selling a very rare highly sought after item that was not given to them with any sort of contract or even vocal unofficial agreement not to distribute it

- BOC fans feeling territorial and in a misguided fashion believing what they think BOC themselves are thinking, say the auction is wrong and unethical. When unless BOC themselves have spoken on this matter publicly, it is all second hand and unverifiable information seemingly invented by the fanbase or people who think they 'know' them

- BOC fans who can't afford it but secretly want it scream about how wrong and immoral it is, but if they could easily afford it , they would be whistling a different tune.

I've just never seen this type of attitude before when dealing with very rare early tapes by artists. When copies of Skinny Puppy's Back and Forth cassette pop up on ebay, people go crazy with joy. When copies of Throbbing Gristle's original Best of Vol 1 pop up, fans lose their shit and clamor to obtain a copy. So why is it when someone sells the BOC equivalent of these, their fans get mad and scold the sellers?

I don't know BOC fans well enough to answer for that, but from what I can tell they seem ultra territorial and defensive in comparison to the average indie music fan. Which strikes me as odd especially for how non-public BOC are, they rarely do interviews and we practically know little to nothing about them personally for the last decade. Where does this territorial nature come from?

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:30 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 4:19 PM, Hoodie said:

 

i don't think the legality matters. i think we need to ask ourselves, again, what do you do when someone gives you a gift? what type of person sells it for profit years down the line? do you want to be that sort?

 

I think it all depends on the item that was given as a gift, which clearly depending on what item it is and your desire to have it it's your prerogative as the new owner to sell it or keep it as you wish. 'what type of person?' well again, if mike's relationship with the BOC boys wasn't as close friends, or even acquaintances and it was sent in as an unsolicited demo, then based on this alone it doesn't give any insight whatsoever to his character or ethics. In fact I would say that since he's making this available at all, he's actually doing the rabid fans a favor, and you better believe there are hundreds if not thousands of them who would give one of their limbs to get an original copy of this tape.

To me it's just weird how this in any way is an ethical dilemma.

 

- somebody is selling a very rare highly sought after item that was not given to them with any sort of contract or even vocal unofficial agreement not to distribute it

- BOC fans feeling territorial and in a misguided fashion believing what they think BOC themselves are thinking, say the auction is wrong and unethical. When unless BOC themselves have spoken on this matter publicly, it is all second hand and unverifiable information seemingly invented by the fanbase or people who think they 'know' them

- BOC fans who can't afford it but secretly want it scream about how wrong and immoral it is, but if they could easily afford it , they would be whistling a different tune.

 

 

just biked in to point out you're calling out watmmers for "knowing" boc's thoughts, while you are "knowing" watmmers' thoughts

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:25 PM, ravedamage said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:18 PM, HateMaker said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

 

Uhm I agree about the cassettes. The comment about "a plot of land" is silly. Please don't get anrgy with me. Denial of reality is not helpful either because we can't all go and live in a cave with a 100 other children and 100 talking dogs.

 

Now if you'll kindly excuse me i have to go and complain on another thread about the delay in getting my fckn digital files from Bleep.

 

It's not a denial of anything, honestly, my-I-don't-know-anything-about-you-(yet)-friend....just an incredulity at the limited-ness of our 'vision', is all.

 

Go tear Bleep a new one for me though, you hound!

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:21 PM, apriorion said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 9:58 PM, ravedamage said:

This is the most active I've ever been on WATMM...normally a lurker, but this shit just makes me so fucking angry.

 

The possessive nature of us humans is ridiculous (and I am not exempt of that, by the way) given we are here for the merest blink of this planet's life cycle.

The fact we believe we can 'own' a plot of land on this orb seems ridiculous to my eyes, but here we are are arguing over a couple of fucking CASSETTES.

 

Loved the guy on Twoism babbling on about how immoral this auction was...$500 on some tapes....when we should be donating to water-pipes for Rwanda or ignoring that homeless guy at the cash machine....this is the age where people like Wayne Rooney earn £200,000 a week for kicking a ball and Donald Trump hasn't been assassinated. Yet. Heh.

 

Yeah, I wish Bill Hicks was still around, oh god yes.

 

In summary then...(hippy-bollocks, as am I)...Tomorrow's Harvest is what we (and others) have sown...and that is...

 

Babbling? I thought I was rehearsing a pretty compelling line of utilitarian thinking, building on the challenging work of Peter Singer. Oh well.

 

Sorry my-yet-to-know-you-too-friend, we are obviously hippies at heart. Apologies.

 

*hug*

 

 

I live in North America. I'm at the office now. I am an accountant. I speak English and Japanese fluently. Now you know a little bit about me. Once I get home I'll open a beer and then I'll re-read your comment and feel pretty good that people with your code of ethics / beliefs exist.

*pats on the back*

BTW you're one of the guys who went to the London thing aren't you? That was very cool of you, thanks for doing that.

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:32 PM, tht tne said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:30 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 4:19 PM, Hoodie said:

 

i don't think the legality matters. i think we need to ask ourselves, again, what do you do when someone gives you a gift? what type of person sells it for profit years down the line? do you want to be that sort?

 

I think it all depends on the item that was given as a gift, which clearly depending on what item it is and your desire to have it it's your prerogative as the new owner to sell it or keep it as you wish. 'what type of person?' well again, if mike's relationship with the BOC boys wasn't as close friends, or even acquaintances and it was sent in as an unsolicited demo, then based on this alone it doesn't give any insight whatsoever to his character or ethics. In fact I would say that since he's making this available at all, he's actually doing the rabid fans a favor, and you better believe there are hundreds if not thousands of them who would give one of their limbs to get an original copy of this tape.

To me it's just weird how this in any way is an ethical dilemma.

 

- somebody is selling a very rare highly sought after item that was not given to them with any sort of contract or even vocal unofficial agreement not to distribute it

- BOC fans feeling territorial and in a misguided fashion believing what they think BOC themselves are thinking, say the auction is wrong and unethical. When unless BOC themselves have spoken on this matter publicly, it is all second hand and unverifiable information seemingly invented by the fanbase or people who think they 'know' them

- BOC fans who can't afford it but secretly want it scream about how wrong and immoral it is, but if they could easily afford it , they would be whistling a different tune.

 

 

 

just biked in to point out you're calling out watmmers for "knowing" boc's thoughts, while you are "knowing" watmmers' thoughts

 

ehm, yeah as they have been expressing in this thread. John's on the money here. Of course, I completely agree, so my objectivity is up for grabs.

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:32 PM, tht tne said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:30 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 4:19 PM, Hoodie said:

 

i don't think the legality matters. i think we need to ask ourselves, again, what do you do when someone gives you a gift? what type of person sells it for profit years down the line? do you want to be that sort?

 

I think it all depends on the item that was given as a gift, which clearly depending on what item it is and your desire to have it it's your prerogative as the new owner to sell it or keep it as you wish. 'what type of person?' well again, if mike's relationship with the BOC boys wasn't as close friends, or even acquaintances and it was sent in as an unsolicited demo, then based on this alone it doesn't give any insight whatsoever to his character or ethics. In fact I would say that since he's making this available at all, he's actually doing the rabid fans a favor, and you better believe there are hundreds if not thousands of them who would give one of their limbs to get an original copy of this tape.

To me it's just weird how this in any way is an ethical dilemma.

 

- somebody is selling a very rare highly sought after item that was not given to them with any sort of contract or even vocal unofficial agreement not to distribute it

- BOC fans feeling territorial and in a misguided fashion believing what they think BOC themselves are thinking, say the auction is wrong and unethical. When unless BOC themselves have spoken on this matter publicly, it is all second hand and unverifiable information seemingly invented by the fanbase or people who think they 'know' them

- BOC fans who can't afford it but secretly want it scream about how wrong and immoral it is, but if they could easily afford it , they would be whistling a different tune.

 

 

 

just biked in to point out you're calling out watmmers for "knowing" boc's thoughts, while you are "knowing" watmmers' thoughts

 

is there a logical reason why i should erase from my memory the thoughts, by many watmmers expressed here for the last twenty pages? I was hoping your return to watmm would incur substantive discussion, maybe i was wrong.

i dunno maybe i just need a break from this thread, i'm beginning to think wisp was right

bronies

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:40 PM, goDel said:

bronies

just when i thought i was out... they pulled me back in :brony:

LOL

This thread is fascinating. If you guys put so much though into every one of your own moral decisions as you do with others' decision of wheter or not selling a couple of fucking cassettes...

the best way to persuade people you're correct is to say "fucking"

I really just hope a decent rip of the cassettes comes out of all this, seeing as they're never going to re-release them anyway.

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:45 PM, tht tne said:

the best way to persuade people you're correct is to say "fucking"

As a non-native speaker I wasn't aware of this fact. This better be fucking true

That's NSFW language, btw. Just saying.

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:45 PM, Gravity said:

I really just hope a decent rip of the cassettes comes out of all this, seeing as they're never going to re-release them anyway.

My offer still stands, whether they be 2nd/3rd/whatever-fucking generation. Someone else do the hard work fir me though, aye?

Let's *UNITE* Watmm und Twoism....and let peace roam free upon this broken land.

"Kassette Doppelarbeit wird uns frei machen...ahem"

*pukes*

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:53 PM, goDel said:

*pukes*

You know you want it...just imagine, watching youtube videos of Lake Dolores with a 'stubby' in one hand, and a 'brony' in the other...

Edit: yea, I puked too

Edit: Edit: This isn't going to end well is it?

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:56 PM, ravedamage said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 10:53 PM, goDel said:

*pukes*

You know you want it...just imagine, watching youtube videos of Lake Dolores with a 'stubby' in one hand, and a 'brony' in the other...

 

Edit: yea, I puked too

 

Edit: Edit: This isn't going to end well is it?

 

*somewhat off-topic, but all this talk 'Bronies' warrants some explanation I think...

A friend of mine tried to get me into this My Little Pony redux but the appeal is completely lost on me... I love shows like Venture Bros, Super Jail and Adventure Time, but seriously how has My Little Pony bubbled up to the top of the fanboy heap?