Boc Old Tunes 1 + 2 / Boc Maxima / orig Twosim etc

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:42 PM, Joyrex said:

Also, I'm calling bullshit on the "was never contacted by the label or BoC", but whatever, if that saves them face, then so be it. The act still stands for itself, and the fact they pulled a near 1000 quid auction (despite the claim "no money traded hands") speaks volumes to the veracity of that claim. If the whole point was to get money to help fund an upcoming addition to the family, then how does "an exchange" solve that hard reality? Nevermind, none of my business.

ching! ching! spot on

  On 6/5/2013 at 6:16 PM, keltoi said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:55 PM, rinzence said:

whats better than a rare BOC tape with Mike P recommendations all over it?! THE Mike P. He AND BOC have touched these tapes, actually touched them.

 

mike p has devalued them.

 

Everyone makes mistakes.

That, sir, is flipping brilliant !

  On 6/5/2013 at 6:57 PM, goDel said:

LOL

 

& double LOL at "disincentivizes Boards from releasing it"

 

Seriously, how stupid do you think we are? After 8 years of no BOCset? What was disincentivizing all those years? And do you really think that a new leak will change anything?

 

We should do an experiment. Open a page where people could pre-order the boc-set (hopefully through Norman records, but that's another issue) with a release date, and some extra text where we tell people that at the same date an unofficial copy of the tapes will be leaked (set of flacs). Money will only be taken when the actual release will be sent.

 

Hypothesis: lots of boc-fans will pre-order anyways and boc will have all the incentives to actually release it (read: amount of buyers).

 

O, and it's WARP's biggest selling artist, right? Well, there you go...another incentive to release the boc-set. How many incentives do they need? I can show them my tits, if it would help.

 

BOC and incentives is like women and watching football.

*sigh*

This goes back to the same arguments over the past 8 years over whether Boards would ever release another album (hint: sooner than later, I've got it on good authority something's coming around the 10th of June) - just because the band doesn't announce anything, DOES NOT mean they aren't planning something, especially when there's been mention in the past of a compilation, etc. The same reasons why Tomorrow's Harvest took the past 8 years to come out are probably the same reasons a BOCset or similar compilation hasn't surfaced either. Doesn't take much to make that connection, does it?

Honestly, I'm not sure what a leak would do (if anything) - it's not an unreasonable assumption that it might cause them to react, no? There's precedent in the past where other artists have pushed their releases forward to stave off the effects of a leak, or quickly cobble together a compilation of remixes to head off another label's attempts to cash in on them - I could go on, but the history is there, mate. You just have to open your eyes and look.

As for your experiment suggestion - you're catering to a captive audience here - any artist can pretty much rely on their hardcore fans to buy every purchase without fail - what is more subjective is how the casual listener would react, and if knowledge of the tracks being easily available online illegally would affect their willingness to purchase legitimate versions or not . I'd be more curious to know how many people who ended up illegally downloading Tomorrow's Harvest out of frustration over the staggered release dates and not being given access to the digital versions despite preordering are now not going to bother buying the actual release or a legitimate digital version to replace their pirated copy. That same scenario applies here, too - if fans (in general) knew they could download the Old Tunes and the non-MHTRTC tracks right now, but a compilation was due "soon", would they bother?

Incentive can not just refer to financial aspects, either - would you go through the effort of going through your extensive music archives, listening, cleaning up, restoring, updating, and creating a package and a narrative to tie them together when any kid with decent knowledge of Google can find them, download them and bung them onto his iPhone within a matter of minutes and not be arsed to bother with the legitimate versions? I know I would give it second thought.

You can sigh all you want, but you should try to actually understand my argument first.

I never denied there were plans to release something at an earlier point in time, to begin with.

Please explain how the quote below fits into your argument. I must be reading wrong, but I see a contradiction if I use your argument to not release the BOC-set.

  Quote

 

 

The tracks are out there now, nothing can be done about that, they've been circulating for a while
and fans have them, so the decision was taken to at least consider tidying them up and repackaging
them with decent exclusive artwork & more rarities. BOC never wanted these tracks presented this
way, mislabelled and as poor-quality MP3 files.

Also note the "causal" aspect of this construction. I parafrase: "The tracks are out there, SO we decided to...etc".

Taken literally, leaking mp3 of those tapes is an incentive to release the BOC-set. I mean, that's what it says, right? I understand it shouldn't be taken this literal, but to assume the incentive works the other way around clearly contradicts this quote.

So, yes there have been "reasons" they haven't released an album for the past 8 years. And yes, those reasons have - most likely - nothing to do with availability of mp3's. IMO.

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:58 PM, Joyrex said:

mate

OBJECTION

this man is not British

Save me getting a migraine, can some good soul please summerise this thread? (I got up to the 5th page I think)

I expect a wave of bullshit, sarcasm and general foul play, but I also hope the're is one man for the job.

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:11 PM, cult fiction said:

my best guess is that he is baby sitting

hah classic.

also, rinz, we miss you at brainD.

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:10 PM, beerwolf said:

Save me getting a migraine, can some good soul please summerise this thread? (I got up to the 5th page I think)

 

I expect a wave of bullshit, sarcasm and general foul play, but I also hope the're is one man for the job.

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:10 PM, beerwolf said:

Save me getting a migraine, can some good soul please summerise this thread? (I got up to the 5th page I think)

 

I expect a wave of bullshit, sarcasm and general foul play, but I also hope the're is one man for the job.

Mike Paradinas sells rare BOC tape. Joyrex is pissed and calls it immoral.

BOC tape sold. Buyer of BOC tape calls Joyrex a bell end.

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:10 PM, beerwolf said:

Save me getting a migraine, can some good soul please summerise this thread? (I got up to the 5th page I think)

 

I expect a wave of bullshit, sarcasm and general foul play, but I also hope the're is one man for the job.

it all worked out in the end, as the person that got them won't upload them probably because he's always been a solid chap in the past. And apparently it wasn't for money which was the main objectionable part to me.

And so if it was mutually beneficial trade, what from rinzences collection did mike P get? Ahh mysteries. Will that get auctioned instead.

Also, if you are video taping it rinzence, please burn it. That would be so cool. Make my week.

Tbh, rips online or not, i'd be buying me a BoC set or 2, without fail.
If these rips online, it will alleviate what will likely be a very very long wait, I don't think it will put people off buying, at least not those who are impulse buyer's whilst shopping, those who are collectors, new curious fans.

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:26 PM, delet... said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:10 PM, beerwolf said:

Save me getting a migraine, can some good soul please summerise this thread? (I got up to the 5th page I think)

 

I expect a wave of bullshit, sarcasm and general foul play, but I also hope the're is one man for the job.

 

it all worked out in the end, as the person that got them won't upload them probably because he's always been a solid chap in the past. And apparently it wasn't for money which was the main objectionable part to me.

 

And so if it was mutually beneficial trade, what from rinzences collection did mike P get? Ahh mysteries. Will that get auctioned instead.

 

Also, if you are video taping it rinzence, please burn it. That would be so cool. Make my week.

 

Haha yea, video tape it and then give them the Jimi Hendrix treatment....lighter fluid then up in smoke :P

The number of assumptions in this thread is nearing four digits.

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:24 PM, goDel said:

You can sigh all you want, but you should try to actually understand my argument first.

 

I never denied there were plans to release something at an earlier point in time, to begin with.

 

Please explain how the quote below fits into your argument. I must be reading wrong, but I see a contradiction if I use your argument to not release the BOC-set.

 

  Quote

 

 

The tracks are out there now, nothing can be done about that, they've been circulating for a while

and fans have them, so the decision was taken to at least consider tidying them up and repackaging

them with decent exclusive artwork & more rarities. BOC never wanted these tracks presented this

way, mislabelled and as poor-quality MP3 files.

 

Also note the "causal" aspect of this construction. I parafrase: "The tracks are out there, SO we decided to...etc".

 

Taken literally, leaking mp3 of those tapes is an incentive to release the BOC-set. I mean, that's what it says, right? I understand it shouldn't be taken this literal, but to assume the incentive works the other way around clearly contradicts this quote.

 

So, yes there have been "reasons" they haven't released an album for the past 8 years. And yes, those reasons have - most likely - nothing to do with availability of mp3's. IMO.

You'd be absolutely correct in that assumption (about mp3s having nothing to do with the delay in releasing an album or a BOCset). For once.

You should also consider that while yes, mdg does say there that due to the tracks leaking and BOC being unhappy with them in the quality and format, they considered working on an official release - however, that's based on the relatively poor quality versions - what if pristine first-generation audio files were produced (say, if I ripped my BoC Maxima cassette using a really good Analogue to Digital converter, etc.) - wouldn't that be just as much as an incentive NOT to go through the trouble of following through and releasing them?

We're both operating on the assumption of what BOC's motivations are, which honestly, neither of us are qualified to profess knowing.

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:51 PM, Ascdi said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:58 PM, Joyrex said:

mate

 

OBJECTION

 

this man is not British

 

Half Canadian, doesn't that count for anything?

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:42 PM, Joyrex said:

 

Also, I'm calling bullshit on the "was never contacted by the label or BoC", but whatever, if that saves them face, then so be it. The act still stands for itself, and the fact they pulled a near 1000 quid auction (despite the claim "no money traded hands") speaks volumes to the veracity of that claim. If the whole point was to get money to help fund an upcoming addition to the family, then how does "an exchange" solve that hard reality? Nevermind, none of my business.

 

yeah, that makes no sense. this whole situation is embarrassing.

So many assumptions, so little evidence...

Blimey, is thing still on?

Tis a non stop LOL-erfall, keep it coming, crazy babies.

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:51 PM, Ascdi said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:58 PM, Joyrex said:

mate

 

OBJECTION

 

this man is not British

 

One of about 5 or 6 worthwhile posts in this thread.

I must be a retard or a fanboy or just an all around tosser for wanting to know what could be more beneficial to a beautiful baby child than 1000$$$

My only assumptions are directly related to those quotes. Namely that those quotes actually provide a good image of their opinion. What kind of assumptions am I pulling out of my ass? That the Boc-brothers would be able to (in)directly get in contact with Mike P if they wanted to?

Also, pristine first generation audiofiles from a cassette? Really? Pristine audio from a cassette doesn't make much sense to begin with. No matter how audiophile the equipment. It would be a first, if possible.

  On 6/5/2013 at 10:15 PM, Hoodie said:

 

 

this whole situation is embarrassing.

 

Curious to know as to how this is particularly embarrassing to you specifically, Hoodie.

This WATMM-SAGA wherein people you don't know (I presume) are trading/selling something you'll never specifically own?

I'm just really curious like. I have no desire for ownership of these Boccian artefacts, given that I've had to deal with third/fourth rate copies for fifteen years or so.

Again, just really curious as to how this possessive nature of us humans works, I assure you tis nothing personal.

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:46 PM, goDel said:

My only assumptions are directly related to those quotes. Namely that those quotes actually provide a good image of their opinion. What kind of assumptions am I pulling out of my ass? That the Boc-brothers would be able to (in)directly get in contact with Mike P if they wanted to?

 

Also, pristine first generation audiofiles from a cassette? Really? Pristine audio from a cassette doesn't make much sense to begin with. No matter how audiophile the equipment. It would be a first, if possible.

Well, you've got a whole thread of people hoping whomever the winner was would rip it in high quality, so there you go.

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:46 PM, goDel said:

My only assumptions are directly related to those quotes. Namely that those quotes actually provide a good image of their opinion. What kind of assumptions am I pulling out of my ass? That the Boc-brothers would be able to (in)directly get in contact with Mike P if they wanted to?

 

Also, pristine first generation audiofiles from a cassette? Really? Pristine audio from a cassette doesn't make much sense to begin with. No matter how audiophile the equipment. It would be a first, if possible.

Well, my chum from Norwich releases on Border Community & Notown and usually mixes all his modular shit down to cassette tape, before mastering....as he likes it. Ye can take the old boy out of the school, but ye can't take the old-school out of the boy. I don't know what even

Edit: point is, cassettes still RAWK

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:49 PM, ravedamage said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 10:15 PM, Hoodie said:

 

 

this whole situation is embarrassing.

 

 

Curious to know as to how this is particularly embarrassing to you specifically, Hoodie.

 

This WATMM-SAGA wherein people you don't know (I presume) are trading/selling something you'll never specifically own?

I'm just really curious like. I have no desire for ownership of these Boccian artefacts, given that I've had to deal with third/fourth rate copies for fifteen years or so.

 

Again, just really curious as to how this possessive nature of us humans works, I assure you tis nothing personal.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremdsch%C3%A4men

oh nevermind, it might be this second one instead: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fremdscham

^ we have a term for that too, vergüenza ajena