do you think this is racism?

The first bit after being coloured black with ink was an impression of the Ink Spots I think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6vqPUM_FE

sorry to tread on your turf here ivan. obviously, being a white male, you get to decide what offends other people. my bad, i forgot!

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist, maybe a period thing but not healthy to get young children into these days methinks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSYAY1nv6tg

I do kinda prefer the old Dumbo crows tho

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, disparaissant said:

sorry to tread on your turf here ivan. obviously, being a white male, you get to decide what offends other people. my bad, i forgot!

yeah i fucking hate intolerante assholes, what's the problem here??

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, soundwave said:

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist

What about the white/american stereotypes?

You guys do notice some rednecks in there... right?

gonna go all inigo montoya and say "you keep using that word, but i do not think it means what you think it means..."

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:55 AM, asymmetrical head said:

You guys do notice some rednecks in there... right?

that was my point, the DOG is doing all types of music, is more of a tribute to american music.

There is a BLACK FEMALE commenting on the vid and she says she loves it. So all of you white people saying that it is racist and shouldn't be watched is really just a back door way of oppressing her.

The only taboo racism in America is what the media says is racist. There has never been much coverage of the oppression of Polynesians, and so cartoon network had that last "tribal" dance bit in one of it's commercials, but really you could find that Polynesian dance just as offensive as that blackface bit, but because blackface is notorious in the media, all of the white PC people's white guilt meters shoot off the charts when they see it.

Instead of being hush hush about it, just let it be, just appreciate the humor in it and stop ostracizing anyone who likes it. So what if it's racist. Everything and everyone is racist to some extent.

Credentials: My wife is Spanish/Irish/Italian, and was called the N word by Mexicans growing up, because she didn't speak Spanish.

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:49 AM, hoggy said:

The first bit after being coloured black with ink was an impression of the Ink Spots I think

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6vqPUM_FE

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:55 AM, hoggy said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, soundwave said:

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist

What about the white/american stereotypes?

 

yup

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, soundwave said:

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist, maybe a period thing but not healthy to get young children into these days methinks

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSYAY1nv6tg

 

 

I do kinda prefer the old Dumbo crows tho

are you kidding me, i don't know anyone in belgium who felt superiour to africans cause they welcome tintin on a chair

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:59 AM, sheatheman said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:49 AM, hoggy said:

The first bit after being coloured black with ink was an impression of the Ink Spots I think

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6vqPUM_FE

 

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9D6GNzpmkM

 

 

Damn, you beat me to it! lol

Hard to tell what's racist by today's standards, aside from obvious epithets and stereotypes. I find it helps to not even think about race most of the time to be honest.

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:09 AM, ambermonk said:

I find it helps to not even think about race most of the time to be honest.

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:03 AM, Ivan Ooze said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, soundwave said:

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist, maybe a period thing but not healthy to get young children into these days methinks

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSYAY1nv6tg

 

 

I do kinda prefer the old Dumbo crows tho

are you kidding me, i don't know anyone in belgium who felt superiour to africans cause they welcome tintin on a chair

 

how many none white friends do you actually have?

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:29 AM, soundwave said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:03 AM, Ivan Ooze said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, soundwave said:

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist, maybe a period thing but not healthy to get young children into these days methinks

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSYAY1nv6tg

 

 

I do kinda prefer the old Dumbo crows tho

are you kidding me, i don't know anyone in belgium who felt superiour to africans cause they welcome tintin on a chair

 

 

how many none white friends do you actually have?

 

much more then you have white friends

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:32 AM, Ivan Ooze said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:29 AM, soundwave said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:03 AM, Ivan Ooze said:

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, soundwave said:

stereotyping Chinese, Hawaian and black people 1950's styli is a tad racist, maybe a period thing but not healthy to get young children into these days methinks

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSYAY1nv6tg

 

 

I do kinda prefer the old Dumbo crows tho

are you kidding me, i don't know anyone in belgium who felt superiour to africans cause they welcome tintin on a chair

 

 

how many none white friends do you actually have?

 

much more then you have white friends

 

I watched it without sound in class, and the blackface was kind of an offensive aspect, but otherwise they portrayed a whole bunch of stereotypes.

I don't think it's worthy of being banned.

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:34 AM, chenGOD said:

I watched it without sound in class, and the blackface was kind of an offensive aspect, but otherwise they portrayed a whole bunch of stereotypes.

I don't think it's worthy of being banned.

banned from Nickelodeon?

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:03 AM, Ivan Ooze said:

 

are you kidding me, i don't know anyone in belgium who felt superiour to africans cause they welcome tintin on a chair

 

Good for Belgians? It's not really about how a bunch of froufrou lambic drinking people¹ of european descent in a predominantly white country feel, though?

The cartoon is pretty much explicitly about stereotypes - it cycles through stock musical characters. Including rednecks, yeah. The 'black' characters veer a little close toward racialized Tin Pan Alley minstrel act stereotypes -- that's not a Belgian thing, by the way, it's a thing that's tied in with US culture and it's own peculiarly messy and often violent racial history. You don't have to get it, just be aware that that sort of thing can be offensive to people who are not like you.

This particular depiction isn't going to offend every black person out there. Of course not. The whole point of the cartoon is to "laugh at musical stereotypes." It's just in sort of shitty taste. At the time the cartoon was made, those stereotypes were used to portray certain people as sub-human. That should honestly be pretty clear by the 'chinaman' stock character in there, which really gets the worst of it.

It's really cool that so many of you are so enlightened you can separate the comic intent from the demeaning depictions which were never directed at you except to the intent that you were supposed to laugh at them.

Does this cartoon piss me off? No. Can I see why it would piss people who are not exactly like me off? Yeah, it's pretty fucking obvious?

I wouldn't advocate for anything being banned, though. It's obviously, if nothing else, pretty useful as a historical artifact showing how these stereotypes were deployed/laughed at, which is a crucially important thing to consider imo.

Also dogs are funny.

¹ (lol?)

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:57 AM, sheatheman said:

There is a BLACK FEMALE commenting on the vid and she says she loves it. So all of you white people saying that it is racist and shouldn't be watched is really just a back door way of oppressing her.

Are you serious? I mean, I don't believe in censorship, as awareness helps with these issues, and censorship as historical revisionism just enables ignorance.

But, this kind of blanket statement is just using one individual of a minority to represent all people from that minority group, and that is way more of a dangerous and potentially damaging form of stereotyping than tropes like blackface in this day and age, and is a really negative mindset.

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:57 AM, sheatheman said:

The only taboo racism in America is what the media says is racist. There has never been much coverage of the oppression of Polynesians, and so cartoon network had that last "tribal" dance bit in one of it's commercials, but really you could find that Polynesian dance just as offensive as that blackface bit, but because blackface is notorious in the media, all of the white PC people's white guilt meters shoot off the charts when they see it.

this, however, is spot-on. Bizzare to me how many people are completely ignoring the awful polynesian and chinese stereotypes in this short.

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:55 AM, ganus said:

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:57 AM, sheatheman said:

this, however, is spot-on. Bizzare to me how many people are completely ignoring the awful polynesian and chinese stereotypes in this short.

yeah, I sort of assumed that those would be the major sources of offense here

not that it matters, really

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:52 AM, disparaissant said:

sorry to tread on your turf here ivan. obviously, being a white male, you get to decide what offends other people. my bad, i forgot!

you just decided 2 offend me white female

just stfu and watch the cartoon from a kids view will ya

shit, i got master trolled

  On 11/13/2013 at 2:55 AM, ganus said:

 

 

  On 11/13/2013 at 1:57 AM, sheatheman said:

The only taboo racism in America is what the media says is racist. There has never been much coverage of the oppression of Polynesians, and so cartoon network had that last "tribal" dance bit in one of it's commercials, but really you could find that Polynesian dance just as offensive as that blackface bit, but because blackface is notorious in the media, all of the white PC people's white guilt meters shoot off the charts when they see it.

this, however, is spot-on. Bizzare to me how many people are completely ignoring the awful polynesian and chinese stereotypes in this short.

 

Really overt caricatures of Asians and Hispanics were pretty rampant in the 70s, more so even than those of African-Americans and other Black nationalities. Asian stereotypes seem pretty frequent still in tv and film.

There are many facets of this discussion. Minorities often are as racist to each other as white people are to non-whites. The media is extremely misguided and arbitrary in its labeling. Sometimes I've been told by very liberal and very progressive individuals who are irrationally militant in their views that I'm privileged and prejudice based completely off the observation that I'm white and male, which is bullshit because my relatives on both sides were all immigrants from Mexico, the Basque country, and various working-class parts of Europe.

Yes modern American society is full of PC over-sensitivity and we're all generally progressive types here on WATMM but that but that doesn't make the fact that racism exists in this video and that's context of when it was made and who made it. It's just as valid to laugh at this as it is to be disturbed by the caricatures. The outrage over this now in any regard is kinda moot.

The key is being informed about it. I don't support banning or censorship as an archivist and free-speech advocate but that doesn't make editing a cartoon like this for broadcast unreasonable.

Also, American society is a fucking mess. Yeah there's PC culture and all that, but there's also the most vitriolic, irrational, and flat-out hateful rhetoric being spewed by commentators on outlets like talk radio and conservative internet media outlets and "op-ed" portions of Fox News. Such people will literally state lies based off stereotypes and assumptions on tv and radio and literally respond to criticism with "OH YOU'RE JUST BEING PC AND LIBERAL" or some other childish retort. For the record, I want to stay away from that noise as much as possible.