Exai vs Tomorrow's Harvest

  On 12/6/2013 at 10:58 PM, autopilot said:

 

  On 12/5/2013 at 4:59 PM, Joyrex said:

but, I think if BOC did something unexpected (like the guitar bits on TCH), the backlash from the fans would be severe and not praised by most, unlike Autechre.

 

 

The backlash from the guitar on TCH was because they aren't very good at playing guitar, and throwing simple acoustic guitar melodies into electronic music wasn't at all innovative when TCH rolled around. It's not because it was so groundbreaking people couldn't comprehend it.

 

Oh please. "Simple acoustic guitar melodies,"... you are out of your mind. Please, give me the classic pre-TCH electronic albums featuring "simple acoustic guitar melodies," that sound anything like TCH.

And what are the other electronic guitar all stars that you are comparing "them" to? Do you want to hear "psychedelic beats" over Phil Keaggy or something?

90% of electronic musicians that use guitar "aren't very good" at guitar.

Beak & Skytree did that motif better a few years prior.

But I guess I haven't met enough of that 90% to form an educated guess so I'll concede to you on this one.

Give me an album link. Can't find anything from Beak from before 2009, though looks like Skytree did have an album out before TCH, but by a few months-not years. You're probably saying that because that album is special to you, so I can respect that.

You're more special to me than that album.

Supreme Dopeness vs. Contemplative Sighs on a Wistful Eve

I kid I kid

Exai!

  On 12/7/2013 at 12:25 AM, sheatheman said:

 

  On 12/6/2013 at 10:58 PM, autopilot said:

 

  On 12/5/2013 at 4:59 PM, Joyrex said:

but, I think if BOC did something unexpected (like the guitar bits on TCH), the backlash from the fans would be severe and not praised by most, unlike Autechre.

 

 

The backlash from the guitar on TCH was because they aren't very good at playing guitar, and throwing simple acoustic guitar melodies into electronic music wasn't at all innovative when TCH rolled around. It's not because it was so groundbreaking people couldn't comprehend it.

 

 

Oh please. "Simple acoustic guitar melodies,"... you are out of your mind. Please, give me the classic pre-TCH electronic albums featuring "simple acoustic guitar melodies," that sound anything like TCH.

 

 

The Campfire Headphase is a fantastic album, i truly love it. That said, its not groundbreaking considered Fennesz was playing simple acoustic guitar melodies mixed with electronic sounds way before... His Codeine remix is a godsent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjvJYHxQ24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKh1bqoIzJk

But i wish the lastest BoC was a good as The Campfire headphase, that latter is a true favorite of mine.

TH = BOC's most dark and cinematic sounding album to date, not a single bad track on it.

Exai = Two hour album that maybe has 30 mins worth of good music on it… also… FLeure.

If anyone wants to continue the fight, you know where to find me.

  On 12/7/2013 at 12:25 AM, sheatheman said:

 

  On 12/6/2013 at 10:58 PM, autopilot said:

 

  On 12/5/2013 at 4:59 PM, Joyrex said:

but, I think if BOC did something unexpected (like the guitar bits on TCH), the backlash from the fans would be severe and not praised by most, unlike Autechre.

 

 

The backlash from the guitar on TCH was because they aren't very good at playing guitar, and throwing simple acoustic guitar melodies into electronic music wasn't at all innovative when TCH rolled around. It's not because it was so groundbreaking people couldn't comprehend it.

 

 

Oh please. "Simple acoustic guitar melodies,"... you are out of your mind. Please, give me the classic pre-TCH electronic albums featuring "simple acoustic guitar melodies," that sound anything like TCH.

 

And what are the other electronic guitar all stars that you are comparing "them" to? Do you want to hear "psychedelic beats" over Phil Keaggy or something?

 

Havent boc always been playing guitar? there is the track audio track 7a on the random 35 tracks tapes, if thats them playing then their pretty good although it could be sampled, as with the simple melodies on TCH i think they work better as being understated rather then some spanish guitar jazz guitar....jazz u know wat i mean

  On 12/7/2013 at 1:53 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

 

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lol giving stuff points

TCH is a great album, my favorite BoC when all is said and done (though purely on quality IABPOITC ep edges it out).

I think the guitars on TCH are something special. Out of tune, repetitive, fucked-up sounding, and simplistic? Sure, but so are some of RDJ's best prepared piano sounds. Tbh I think they could have pushed the "warped guitar" thing even further, but what they did was great.

Tomorrow's Harvest...yeah...decent. The "feels to frustration" ratio is too low for me though.

  On 12/7/2013 at 1:53 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

 

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Needledroped knows bestest!

And that settles the dispute. BOC bronies should shut up from now on. Thank you! :D

  On 12/7/2013 at 1:27 PM, Ceerial said:

TH = BOC's most dark and cinematic sounding album to date, not a single bad track on it.

Exai = Two hour album that maybe has 30 mins worth of good music on it… also… FLeure.

 

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jk.. Exai is a great album, but I still feel like it was a disappointment. TH didn't disappoint me in any way.

 

my problem with Tomorrow Harvest is the "Stop me if you think you heard it before" factor. I've heard everything in it before (in BoC first records, or elsewhere) & it was better before actually. Not that its bad, indeed i do like their latest record but it also reminds me of Peter Gabriel delivering a xeroxed version of his So album (1986) with Us in (1992).

I'd say TH and it's not even close but that may be because I just like BoC way more than Autechre.

I'm not trying irritate team Exai, I genuinely want to know, how is Exai groundbreaking? It's a good Autechre album no doubt, but in what ways are the tracks especially new?

  On 12/7/2013 at 4:37 PM, coolandfrank said:

I'd say TH and it's not even close but that may be because I just like BoC way more than Autechre.

 

I'm not trying irritate team Exai, I genuinely want to know, how is Exai groundbreaking? It's a good Autechre album no doubt, but in what ways are the tracks especially new?

Wouldn't say it's groundbreaking. Just hella damn good.

I'm sorry but BOC put about 3x more effort into their tracks than Ae. Not to say I dont like some of their albums.

  On 12/7/2013 at 4:37 PM, coolandfrank said:

I'd say TH and it's not even close but that may be because I just like BoC way more than Autechre.

 

I'm not trying irritate team Exai, I genuinely want to know, how is Exai groundbreaking? It's a good Autechre album no doubt, but in what ways are the tracks especially new?

It's groundbreaking in that it's modern Autechre that's not incomprehensible for the first 10 listens. Dare I say 'catchy'.

I think that might be right, Autopilot. And this gets to what Rubin Farr is saying. Autechre always seemed more interested in sounds than in music. And music is frankly harder than sounds. You have to mess with knobs and such until you get something that sounds cool, *then* you make music with that. Isn't that how most folks do it?

BoC seems to do the opposite. In most interviews they suggest their process is more like coming up with melodies on their flutes and unique reindeer hide skins or whatever, then manipulating / destroying it in interesting ways.

  On 12/7/2013 at 5:37 PM, Rubin Farr said:

I'm sorry but BOC put about 3x more effort into their tracks than Ae. Not to say I dont like some of their albums.

Axl Rose put about 666x more effort into GNR tracks than Ae... and the latest GNR is a piece of crap.

If Exai was a super hero and T.H. an anthropomorphic oyster, what would YOU do

  On 12/7/2013 at 4:37 PM, coolandfrank said:

I'd say TH and it's not even close but that may be because I just like BoC way more than Autechre.

 

I'm not trying irritate team Exai, I genuinely want to know, how is Exai groundbreaking? It's a good Autechre album no doubt, but in what ways are the tracks especially new?

"Groundbreaking" is often an incomprehensible term for me, it's like I'm reading:

"Album X is so jabberwocky!"

"Dude, it's not that jabberwocky, which tracks are you thinking of?"

"idk maybe it's not jabberwocky but it's really fucking good"

I don't know wtf the people who say "jabberwocky" ("groundbreaking") mean when they say it.

Exai has a shitton of sounds and textures that I have a very hard time wrapping my mind around, and which I've never heard before, and this makes it very interesting even after dozens of listens.

Is it groundbreaking? I have no idea. Is it Jabberwocky?

"Groundbreaking" is a word that is not very good for judging music, because it is ill-defined and therefore prone to abuse by social distortion -- where someone thinks something is groundbreaking when it actually isn't (maybe because some fuckwit authority said it was), or vice versa.

Maybe the next person who calls an album "groundbreaking" or "not groundbreaking" would do me a favor and explain exactly how they're using the word and why the album meets or doesn't meet the criteria.

No offense intended but people who don't like TH are stupid and evil.