Philip Seymour Hoffman DEAD!?

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:26 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 6:29 AM, zaphod said:

i don't think he was dabbling

 

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:01 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Yeah dabbling would be more like sneaking half a vicodin from your mother's stash after her dental procedure.

 

I was being facetious. I am sure there is a proper name for using a improper term for something serious or something...but I forget this is WATMM and everything is taken literally due to assburgers.

 

ah yes, the "everyone here is autistic but me" defense. be clear in your writing, my assburgers won't kick in.

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:30 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:26 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 6:29 AM, zaphod said:

i don't think he was dabbling

 

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:01 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Yeah dabbling would be more like sneaking half a vicodin from your mother's stash after her dental procedure.

 

I was being facetious. I am sure there is a proper name for using a improper term for something serious or something...but I forget this is WATMM and everything is taken literally due to assburgers.

 

 

Supposedly he only had 5 bags on him. Addicts have said that really isn't much for an addict to have. When I heard about his going to rehab before I got the distinct impression that it might have been one of those "to keep the peace" with the family type of scenarios. (could be wrong though) You don't have to be an addict to die from heroin, and you aren't an addict just because you use sometimes.

 

Depends on whether the 'bags' were tickets (0.1g) or grams or what.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just what I heard. The only heroin I've ever seen comes in capsules not bags.

This gives the ending of Synecdoche, New York a whole new meaning

Seriously, though, what a great actor. I don't think I'll ever see an actor who fit so many supporting roles as well as him.

I remember him from The Big Lebowski. It's a damn shame he succumbed to drug addiction - a good reason to watch Requiem For A Dream (which he was not in).

let's make this thread about Great Heroin Songs

this is my fave:

http://youtu.be/zRaoO4R70jU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs5wIJlUK1o

I thought that was the cruelest Onion article ever but it is real?

Is libel a crime in other parts of the world?

Or punishment for being rude?

ahhh fuck it, tabloids all suck giant cocks like PSH dying.....

White lady loves you more

  On 2/3/2014 at 8:24 AM, lumpenprol said:

let's make this thread about Great Heroin Songs

Queue the invetible Heroin by The Velvet Underground

Man, what an unexepected death. Usually I gawk at the idea of even posting "RIP" about any celebrity, but this feels different. Basically it's always been a good thing when he shows up in a movie. Hell, his small supporting role in Almost Famous basically makes the fucking movie. I can't think of any time where I saw him show up on the screen and thought it would be bad, and it never was, usually quite the opposite. This sucks.

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:30 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:26 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 6:29 AM, zaphod said:

i don't think he was dabbling

 

 

  On 2/3/2014 at 7:01 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Yeah dabbling would be more like sneaking half a vicodin from your mother's stash after her dental procedure.

 

I was being facetious. I am sure there is a proper name for using a improper term for something serious or something...but I forget this is WATMM and everything is taken literally due to assburgers.

 

 

Supposedly he only had 5 bags on him. Addicts have said that really isn't much for an addict to have. When I heard about his going to rehab before I got the distinct impression that it might have been one of those "to keep the peace" with the family type of scenarios. (could be wrong though) You don't have to be an addict to die from heroin, and you aren't an addict just because you use sometimes.

 

He looked absolutely terrible in his last public appearance at Sundance. I don't want to find the picture but it's apparent he was tackling something very dark, not dabbling.

For many years, PSH had been very honest about his substance abuse issues, especially alcohol.

For some insane reason, I don't think heroin has the fear factor amongst wealthy actors. Isn't it well documented that Steve Coogan and Owen Wilson chase the dragon? In an industry where everyone's on cocaine, heroin is the drug-takers' drug.

Ultimately, and I suspect I'm right, PSH would say that he made his own decisions and chose his own life and death. But I'm still adamant that Hollywood is a rotten circuit from tweens to established actors. Porn stars have a better system of support around them than Hollywood actors. It seems that because of the huge fees flying around in Hollywood it's just expected that everyone looks after themselves. "They'll just go to rehab, make a comeback and win an Oscar."

Isn't this what Boogie Nights is all about anyway? Little islands of real people struggling to live after their job/dream brings them to the same place.

i have to admit, it's the first time I've consciously been aware of a fat junkie. Maybe his true love was booze, and he just topped it off sometimes with H

  On 2/3/2014 at 10:59 AM, Gary C said:

Isn't it well documented that Steve Coogan and Owen Wilson chase the dragon?

I remember Courtney love blaming Steve Coogan for Owen Wilson's suicide attempt, saying he's always getting the drugs out. He just said she was mad and everyone believed him i think. That's mad if it's true though, I mean, in the 80's I was led to believe that heroin was seriously and instantly addictive - is it though?

I used to speedball quite a bit a few years ago and never got hooked. You have to have other stuff you do besides drugs and have non drug friends you spend most of your time with and if you start doing it more once a week you are in trouble. I've two friends who are proper junkies now on and off methadone and that and it's terrible.

Yeah, must be fucking awful being at the mercy of a drug like that - hope they get well before it's too late.

Hah well, maybe I'm overstating it. TBH they both have fairly functional lives, are employed, have relationships etc. and when they are on methadone and not oxy or heroin they aren't broke all the time. But it's doubtful that either will get clean and if they do they will no doubt struggle with it forever.

My one buddy doesn't really care too much and honestly he seems way healthier and happier being high all the time. He had pretty extreme obsessive compulsive disorder and social anxiety for years and it disappeared once he started getting stoned (all the time).

My other buddy you would never know to look at him that he uses every day. He's 6' 2 and must be about 220lbs of pure muscle, hitting the gym all the time and that. He's honestly as big as a tank, but he was a Chernobyl baby so that might have something to do with it.

Anyways, you can definitely use heroin and not get addicted and you can definitely live a relatively healthy normal life being an addict if you can keep off the streets and maintain relationships.

But you probably shouldn't.

This is the first celebrity death that literally has made me cry. I'll always love you Philip, rest in peace.

  On 2/3/2014 at 1:02 PM, DerWaschbar said:

Hah well, maybe I'm overstating it. TBH they both have fairly functional lives, are employed, have relationships etc. and when they are on methadone and not oxy or heroin they aren't broke all the time. But it's doubtful that either will get clean and if they do they will no doubt struggle with it forever.

My one buddy doesn't really care too much and honestly he seems way healthier and happier being high all the time. He had pretty extreme obsessive compulsive disorder and social anxiety for years and it disappeared once he started getting stoned (all the time).

My other buddy you would never know to look at him that he uses every day. He's 6' 2 and must be about 220lbs of pure muscle, hitting the gym all the time and that. He's honestly as big as a tank, but he was a Chernobyl baby so that might have something to do with it.

Anyways, you can definitely use heroin and not get addicted and you can definitely live a relatively healthy normal life being an addict if you can keep off the streets and maintain relationships.

 

But you probably shouldn't.

Good post.

Although it's probably a rare and controversial view, I would definitely say there is a legitimate therapeutic side to opiates (besides pain management). If someone is riddled with neuroses like anxiety and OCD...well it is of interest to note that the brain processes emotional pain and physical pain in a near-identical manner.

cool article, thanks!

  On 2/3/2014 at 11:28 AM, lumpenprol said:

i have to admit, it's the first time I've consciously been aware of a fat junkie. Maybe his true love was booze, and he just topped it off sometimes with H

Fassbinder, Charlie Parker

  On 2/3/2014 at 5:27 PM, A/D said:

cool article, thanks!

There is protocol for addressing chronic physical pain (whose root cause cannot be addressed), but not a real analog for chronic emotional pain in the psychiatric world.

There is a Vietnam vet who lives in my building who is plagued with emotional suffering of all sorts. He hasn't slept a full night in 30 years. He has seen darker shit than anyone should ever have to see. And only when he takes opiates does he suddenly become light-hearted and positive.

And despite the fact that his doctors have never really lifted a finger to address his emotional problems, his opiate habit is nonetheless viewed as problematic.

It's all about the individuals perspective. Maybe his life expectations were too high.

regardless I think it's safe to say it's one of the more epic examples of falling off the wagon ever. He didn't just fall, he did a swan dive into the pavement down to bedrock level

Kind of makes me wonder if Joaquin Phoenix wasn't involved somehow. Phoenix looked like he was on junk in The Master, and the plot of the film involved them getting high together (on toxic bathtub booze, but still).

  On 2/3/2014 at 5:13 PM, LimpyLoo said:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/body-sense/201204/emotional-and-physical-pain-activate-similar-brain-regions

Fascinating article. Backs up all the mindfulness stuff I've learnt about body formations and how emotions do have some very subtle corresponding physical sensations - that can be dissipated quite quickly by just going into them, feeling them and being with them; as opposed to trying to numb them with booze, sex, basically any other distractions. Let's not get started on Buddhism again though...