squarepusher OH MY GOD SQUAREPUSHER USED

  Duke Remington said:

had this revelation today

 

that explains alot. record the midi data playing the drum pads, map the breaks, change the data were needed. thats how he gets his beats. and that explains why hes SUDDENLY so good at playing drums on ultravisitor.

 

yep, thank me, WATMM, another mystery solved for you by my brain powers.

er, so good? more so incredibly average to mediocre. he's not terrible but.... neither is he a drummer

go listen to chris pennie (dillinger escape drummer)

this thread - nil pwa

today i did a rippin' track with REPROGRAMMABLE MIDI DATA

tomorrow i might do a track with a single REPOGRAMMABLE MIDI DATUM.

the last few days i have been into LIVE, NON-REPROGRAMMABLE MIDI DATA. i send it from my spasticly clicking drum sampler to my energeticly farting synthesizer.

Did anyone read that interview where he gets a question which claims "Go Plastic" was laptop based. Then he just laughs and says he didn't use a computer for go plastic.... (not a drum kit either though...)

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haven't read all of the thread, but he DOES do something like this yes. except he uses a MIDI pickup on his bass guitar so he can play any synth, sampler or drum machine using this and his insane fingering (sAfrican American) skills. So he sets up the E-string or whatever to trigger an amen break at a certain pitch and the A-string (I don't know what notes are are guitars as you can probably tell) to trigger another amen at a different pitch etc etc.

  BCM said:

So he sets up the E-string or whatever to trigger an amen break at a certain pitch and the A-string (I don't know what notes are are guitars as you can probably tell) to trigger another amen at a different pitch etc etc.

if he did that his shows would be 4x more entertaining.

  Ghostbusters III said:

  BCM said:

So he sets up the E-string or whatever to trigger an amen break at a certain pitch and the A-string (I don't know what notes are are guitars as you can probably tell) to trigger another amen at a different pitch etc etc.

 

if he did that his shows would be 4x more entertaining.

agreed. he does do this to a degree (apparently a lot more of orient orange is from bass guitar than you would think) but he hasn't perfected it yet - see crappy unnecessary bursts of ringmod on tetrasync :(

I've got a bass with a midi pickup, it's really fun but not very accurate. If you want to trigger drums with it you'll need to setup all kinds of quatizing and/or sample & hold modules in reaktor or max msp or whatever kind of software your using.

I use mine to trigger notes that I round off to nearest notes in a scale. It's awesome cause you get a totally different feel than when you would use a keyboard!

As for the "how squarepusher does his drum" stuff, who knows there are millions of ways to do that stuff, that's the fun part of making this kind of music! For instance: you could use a synced LFO that triggers a sample or you could sync the loop lenght to get those bursts.

Freaking around with the reaktor "sampler loop" module is a fun way of manipulating your beats.. Divide the loop you have loaded by 4 or 8 or 16 or 32 ect.. and play with the start position and looplenght.. You can also do all kinds of granular shit with it too!

  BCM said:

haven't read all of the thread, but he DOES do something like this yes. except he uses a MIDI pickup on his bass guitar so he can play any synth, sampler or drum machine using this and his insane fingering (sAfrican American) skills. So he sets up the E-string or whatever to trigger an amen break at a certain pitch and the A-string (I don't know what notes are are guitars as you can probably tell) to trigger another amen at a different pitch etc etc.

I bet that the drums in Exciton are done this way. They sound really bass-y, as does the rest of the track. I don't know, just if you listen at 1:46, it sounds kinda like it could have been done of a bass.

And of course, I'm basing this off absolutely nothing.

well, SP's early stuff was done with a couple of 606', which cant be triggered that way without a mod (not too say they werent modded mind) and a sampler with a old style sequncer, so I think allot of it was programmed either stepwise or with a tracker based sequencer. he has said a few times that his drumming ability has meant he could get the feel on programmed drums alot easier, so it has an organic feel but not necessarily becauseits played.

besides, using a old style sequencer to record midi data and then edit it would be a real fiddle, the old gear he used for his earlier albums would have had nowhere near the flexibility of recording midi data into logic etc!

also, check the video of the hard normal daddy era when he's in that bare upstairs apartment room, it seems like that is his studio space for that era and I dont notice a drum trigger kit or whatever even though that album had some of the most natural human grooves!

and yeah he does use a midi pickup, but like gherat says it would be tricky to sequence drums due to the lack of accuracy. these days with a very well set up modern setup you might, but certainly not when he was recording his older stuff. as others have said, he uses it live to a degree, but mainly the triggering is done on a set of pedals, where he triggers bits of the song i think (so it seems) and also on his hardware rack. It would be very counter intuitive to use a bass to trigger sliced up breaks, when you have a computer and midi pedals there which would do the job better (and of course leave the bass free for triggering melodic/fx stuff)

I would disagree that he is not a good drummer. in the style he plays in, ie very jazz orientated, he has a really good feel and a great sound, with lots of interesting ideas, thats what its about. matey from dillinja escape is great but thats like saying 'man, oscar peterson cant play have you listened to chopin?' different worlds!

btw if you are into dillinja escape plan for there come to daddy cover check out 'the bad plus' for there flim cover, another great drummer dave king, but this time a much more jazz orientated guy.

sorry to ramble :)

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i think my repogrammable midi data rant historical blurb was one of the best posts i've done here

anyways, i bet you he used trackers on his atari ST or whatever a good amount... but didn't count that as a computer. which is technically incorrect, but accurate in sentiment - was really just an overblown midi sequencer. no audio, limited facilities otherwise