How does the World view America these days?

  On 4/15/2021 at 7:40 PM, Freak of the week said:

communocryptism pls

communocryptidism

communism through pagam worship of cryptid forest beasts

  On 4/15/2021 at 7:42 PM, cyanobacteria said:

communism through pagam worship of cryptid forest beasts

oh yes

hrm... that black kid looks suspect to me. bet he had a gun concealed on his persons and would've shot that defenseless army officer

  On 4/15/2021 at 7:38 PM, cyanobacteria said:

even on planets, a contradiction more similar to multi-generational knowledge of the machines issues where people forget how they work and construct myths, and we become even more enslaved.  i think we need to really decentralize things so that if humanity split in half it would all work fine

i too am an advocate for the Dune expanded universe scenario

  On 4/15/2021 at 7:38 PM, cyanobacteria said:

neo-luddite sympathies

Don’t you work in IT?

  On 4/15/2021 at 8:01 PM, Nebraska said:

hrm... that black kid looks suspect to me. bet he had a gun concealed on his persons and would've shot that defenseless army officer

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Radicalization among armed forces is going to be the next big thing: https://www.propublica.org/article/i-felt-hate-more-than-anything-how-an-active-duty-airman-tried-to-start-a-civil-war

maybe I was wrong after all and despite the last election showing that democracy can work, the trust in institutions in America is so broken that the nation will fail. 

  On 4/15/2021 at 9:50 PM, chenGOD said:

Don’t you work in anime tITs?

  On 4/15/2021 at 9:57 PM, chenGOD said:

Radicalization among armed forces is going to be the next big thing: https://www.propublica.org/article/i-felt-hate-more-than-anything-how-an-active-duty-airman-tried-to-start-a-civil-war

maybe I was wrong after all and despite the last election showing that democracy can work, the trust in institutions in America is so broken that the nation will fail. 

recent frontline episode tracks it w/help from probulica and other research journalists. good episode. 

  On 4/15/2021 at 9:50 PM, chenGOD said:

Don’t you work in IT?

yes and I believe strongly in Richard Stallman's Free And Open Source Software philosophy, which can be considered a neo or pseudo Luddite ideology.  Luddism isn't just about being against technology, it's about selecting the technology that is best for us rather than letting it be thrusted upon us and against us by the technological bourgeoisie.  this was the foundation of the early luddite movement as well, hoping to gain either job security or social safety in return for being automated away, rather than the crude popular conception of being anti-technology in some "amish machine smasher" way

they were not scared of technology. they were engaging in righteous class warfare to secure their future

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OKLAHOMA CITY — The Oklahoma Senate passed a bill Wednesday aimed at protecting drivers who hit protestors while “fleeing a riot.”

House Bill 1674, authored Rep. Kevin West (R-Moore) and co-authored by Rep. Kevin McDugle (R-Broken Arrow) would also change the potential punishment for rioters. Oklahoma Democrats argued before the vote that the bill’s definition of a “riot” could lead to the punishment of innocent bystanders or peaceful protesters.

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https://www.fox23.com/news/local/oklahoma-legislature-passes-bill-protecting-drivers-who-hit-protesters-sending-stitts-desk/LUPZIRWITRBVLHGT6EOWL5MAXI/

will be interesting to find out if being black will be considered a form of rioting

  On 4/15/2021 at 9:57 PM, chenGOD said:

Radicalization among armed forces is going to be the next big thing: https://www.propublica.org/article/i-felt-hate-more-than-anything-how-an-active-duty-airman-tried-to-start-a-civil-war

been a big thing for years m8

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:19 PM, auxien said:

been a big thing for years m8

Sorry, I should have been more specific: right-wing radicalization among active duty and recruits. And when I say big thing I mean in the way the FBI has described the problem among law enforcement (separate from the military).  

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:04 PM, cyanobacteria said:

Luddism isn't just about being against technology, it's about selecting the technology that is best for us rather than letting it be thrusted upon us and against us by the technological bourgeoisie.  this was the foundation of the early luddite movement as well, hoping to gain either job security or social safety in return for being automated away, rather than the crude popular conception of being anti-technology in some "amish machine smasher" way

That’s a very generous depiction of them, despite what Thomis argues in his book. 
The majority of actions were in labourers breaking technology that automated away their jobs, because they wanted to maintain their work. 
 

Describing the FSF as neo-Luddite is a ridiculous position, as improvements in software and hardware will continue to increase automation, regardless of ownership or licensing of the software. Ironically, open source software is at the heart of the evil billionaire Bezos’s wealth, as AWS runs off a core of open source software. 

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:38 PM, chenGOD said:

Sorry, I should have been more specific: right-wing radicalization among active duty and recruits. And when I say big thing I mean in the way the FBI has described the problem among law enforcement (separate from the military).  

there'sa woman who did a study and wrote a book that got a lot of pres and good reviews and jaw dropping WTF reactions. 

https://www.powells.com/book/bring-the-war-home-9780674237698

@ignatius looks like an interesting read for sure. 

  On 4/15/2021 at 11:17 PM, chenGOD said:

@ignatius looks like an interesting read for sure. 

there's an interview w/her somewhere. she talks about it and gives a good synopsis and walk through of hw she came to write the book. if i find it i'll add it here. i thought about reading it but i'm already pissed off enough about ya know.. the human condition. 

edit: she's done lot's of itnerviews and talks.. i haven't watched this one:

also this podcast

i think this is the interview i originally saw

https://www.pbs.org/video/historian-white-power-movement-has-roots-vietnam-war-psv8fi/

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:52 PM, ignatius said:

there'sa woman who did a study and wrote a book that got a lot of pres and good reviews and jaw dropping WTF reactions. 

https://www.powells.com/book/bring-the-war-home-9780674237698

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thank you for this. was unaware of this book but the blurb has piqued my interest further

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:48 PM, chenGOD said:

That’s a very generous depiction of them, despite what Thomis argues in his book. 
The majority of actions were in labourers breaking technology that automated away their jobs, because they wanted to maintain their work.

  I never said anything that contradicts this.  the praxis of the luddite movement was destruction of machinery, and they were right to attempt it.

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:48 PM, chenGOD said:

Describing the FSF as neo-Luddite is a ridiculous position, as improvements in software and hardware will continue to increase automation, regardless of ownership or licensing of the software. Ironically, open source software is at the heart of the evil billionaire Bezos’s wealth, as AWS runs off a core of open source software. 

the FSF is most definitely neo-Luddite given that they endorse the destruction of proprietary software as a form of technology, either through the reverse engineering of it, the entire exorcism of it from our lives, or the releasing of the source code and re-licensing of it using a FOSS-friendly license.

furthermore, you've made a core mistake by conflating Open Source Software (OSS) and Free and Open Source Software (FOSS).  indeed, the OSS movement is nothing more than a corporate bastardization of the FOSS movement which contains licensing requirements to release the source code, allow user modification, and require propagation of this FOSS license, when releasing any software, which OSS bypasses.  tech CEOs have called the GNU GPL license a "virus" or similar for how it spreads freedom in this way.  the petty bourgeois software industry workers tend to support the OSS movement because it gives -them- more "freedom" at the expense of user freedom to read, audit, modify, and redistribute the source code of course.

the contradiction between OSS and FOSS is that it's easier to make money on OSS since you can prevent takeover of the software by other capitalist entities through licensing, whereas with FOSS it's difficult to make money except through a service or donation model.  this superior freedom granted the users of FOSS software is a requirement for human freedom, especially when we enter the age of body-implanted software, and worst of all neuralink.  but even mere industrial machinery requires FOSS software to implement socialism otherswise the bourgeoisie can integrate class control mechanisms into that proprietary software such as hardware-enforced software signing requirements to which they hold the keys

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:48 PM, chenGOD said:

the foundation of the early luddite movement as well, hoping to gain either job security or social safety in return for being automated away, rather than the crude popular conception of being anti-technology in some "amish machine smasher

Dunno why it’s saying said that quote above, probably me fucking up the quoting system on the phone. 

  On 4/15/2021 at 11:25 PM, cyanobacteria said:

  On 4/15/2021 at 10:48 PM, chenGOD said:

The majority of actions were in labourers breaking technology that automated away their jobs, because they wanted to maintain their work.

  I never said anything that contradicts this.  the praxis of the luddite movement was destruction of machinery, and they were right to attempt it

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Those two statements are in direct contradiction with each other. 

  On 4/15/2021 at 11:25 PM, cyanobacteria said:

furthermore, you've made a core mistake by conflating Open Source Software (OSS) and Free and Open Source Software (FOSS).

Sorry, you’re right. AWS definitely used FOSS as well as OSS.  

Fuck it. Cybercum. 

  On 4/16/2021 at 12:09 AM, chenGOD said:

Dunno why it’s saying said that quote above, probably me fucking up the quoting system on the phone. 

Those two statements are in direct contradiction with each other. 

Sorry, you’re right. AWS definitely used FOSS as well as OSS.  

they are not in contradiction.  using machine smashing a praxis for a more nuanced ideological position or using machine smashing as personal praxis with others laying out the theoretical position through which it makes sense are basically the same given that the core of this type of materialist class analysis is that of observing material reality and explaining it rather than the idealist position of coming up with explanations then complaining that material reality doesn't match

indeed companies can use FOSS sercretly if they aren't releasing the binaries which is the case in web-services where the end-users writing software using those clients don't have access to the software binary to begin with to even begin to verify whether it's FOSS let alone have the FSF audit them

  On 4/16/2021 at 12:16 AM, cyanobacteria said:

using machine smashing a praxis for a more nuanced ideological position or using machine smashing as personal praxis

Great so we are in agreement that luddites practiced machine smashing as crude efforts to slow progress.  

  On 4/16/2021 at 12:19 AM, chenGOD said:

Great so we are in agreement that luddites practiced machine smashing as crude efforts to slow progress.  

no, if you think we are in agreement then it seems you did NOT read what I wrote, but I assume you are being sarcastic.  that is not the case.  it's a rational response to being obsoleted away by technology under a capitalist mode of production in which having a job is a REQUIREMENT to survive.  why do you have the proletariat so much?  "progrees"?  what is progress if it does not help the people and hurts the workers who depend, not by choice, but by force, enforced by the very economic system itself, to have a job, and in their specific case, THAT job depending on their geographical region and job availability?  I can only assume you have low class consciousness or a lack of sympathy and care for poor disadvantaged people.

in fact it is directly analogous to the capitalist smashing of proletarian social organization progress through their state militarily enforced anti-communist violence and union breaking efforts etc.

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