E3 2015: The Thread

I don't know why everyone's bashing Nintendo - I didn't think they did too bad, and while what they did show was pretty par for the course for them, it's understandable that with the NX looming on the horizon, nothing they are going to announce now is going to be jaw-dropping.

 

That being said, Nintendo rarely releases shoddy games, and out of any developer, I think they have one of the highest levels of production out there. Splatoon is an excellent example of the amount of thought and polish they put into the game, and the fact it's a new IP to boot (the first one for Nintendo in a long time).

We'll talk when they've got their new system out.

nintendo do have a habit of including some kind of innovation in their consoles that it's perfectly easy to ignore. last two machines didn't even get fully utilised by their own studios. wondering what the next one is. suspect patience has worn thin for most. some solid stuff on wii u, 3DS, but it's nothing fresh enough to be exciting to any great extent.

nintendo have been very innovative in the obnoxious unnecessary peripheral game for years, yeah (i despise amiibos and everything they stand for). only half decent stuff they have coming is mario maker and wooly world. if wooly world follows the same model as epic yarn (unlimited lives) i'm not gonna bother with it either =\

Seems like the last time I bought any Nintendo products was five or six years ago. Not necessarily knocking them, and in fact they put out some solid SNES titles back in the day. Since they released the Wii almost a decade ago it seems like they've primarily focused on making child-friendly games. Nothing wrong with that. It's just that most Nintendo titles these days don't really appeal to me personally anymore. Dunno if I've outgrown Nintendo or what.

You haven't outgrown them, they've just shrunk.

well the last time nintendo released a decent controller with a home console was snes.

  On 6/18/2015 at 6:44 PM, juiceciuj said:

well the last time nintendo released a decent controller with a home console was snes.

Other than the terrible battery life the gamepad is awesome. Having your inventory in front of you without needing to go into menus is a small thing but it makes life better. Same with having maps not cluttering the screen etc. Off TV play is a brilliant idea (Mario kart 8 whilst on the toilet? Why not!) as well.

 

The gyro in Splatoon feels really good to use (coming from someone who generally hates motion controls). The cockpit idea in Starfox 0 looks awesome. Using it as a touch screen in things like Rayman Legends and Kirby works well and it is a cool concept to have players playing around the same TV but one having access to their own private screen with different functions like the platform thing in Mario Bros U or the ghost mini game in Nintendo Land or whatever it's called.

 

The Wiimote kinda sucked tho.

The fact that children are the primary target audience for Nintendo seems to be lost on our members.

If kids were Nintendo's target demographic, they would be making FPS shooters with headset capability that allowed for full expression of racial and homophobic slurs.

 

This might be why they're losing money, actually: there is no outlet on the Nintendo to be offensive to people you don't know over the internet in a whiny, pre-adolescent voice.

For the first time in years, I've actually lost track of what's going on at E3.

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:13 PM, Rubin Farr said:

The fact that children are the primary target audience for Nintendo seems to be lost on our members.

 

Children don't care about limited availability toys & franchises from the 80s. They want to play Halo & Call of Duty. Nintendo's primary demo right now are the nostalgic Nintendo fans in their 30s they alienated when they spent the previous console generation trying to get soccer moms to do yoga in front of their TVs.

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:29 PM, Bechuga said:

If kids were Nintendo's target demographic, they would be making FPS shooters with headset capability that allowed for full expression of racial and homophobic slurs.

 

lol

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:29 PM, Bechuga said:

If kids were Nintendo's target demographic, they would be making FPS shooters with headset capability that allowed for full expression of racial and homophobic slurs.

 

This might be why they're losing money, actually: there is no outlet on the Nintendo to be offensive to people you don't know over the internet in a whiny, pre-adolescent voice.

Not all "children" behave this way - I'd say that's in the minority, actually (due to neglectful parents who don't monitor their kids' gaming habits).

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:13 PM, Rubin Farr said:

The fact that children are the primary target audience for Nintendo seems to be lost on our members.

 

Explains a lot Rubin... Explains a lot...

Edited June 18, 2015 by Npoess

New Hitman looks like they're steering away from Absolution and going back to their roots, which is great

 

Also all the DLC will be free! Looks like they'll be constantly releasing new assassinations and missions... I'm pretty hyped

  On 6/18/2015 at 9:38 PM, Npoess said:

 

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:13 PM, Rubin Farr said:

The fact that children are the primary target audience for Nintendo seems to be lost on our members.

Explains a lot Rubin... Explains a lot...

What is that supposed to mean?

 

I feel completely justified in my opinion of kid's games. If members are referring to teens, then yes, a lot of them play M rates games, while loving the freedom to mouth off with their friends on XBL bc mommy and daddy aren't listening. As for children, if their parents actually supervise what they have access to, like a responsible parent would, then their interests are, by nature, more innocent and less violent.

My 8 year old nephew's favorite game is Minecraft, he loves it to death. My girl's 3 nephews are obsessed with Pokemon, they have no interest in home console games, and all of these kids I mentioned play almost exclusively on 3DS, or tablets, even though they have consoles sitting there. The fact that a lot of us have nostalgia for Nintendo, or other pop culture phenomena like Star Wars, LEGO, whatever, should not blind gamers to the fact that we are a piggyback audience, not the target demographic. Once you hit your mid 30s, that starts to sink in as you see younger people in the spotlight; actors, musicians, tech gurus, etc. It's a tough pill to swallow, but it's just a fact of life and part of growing old gracefully.

Rant finished.

Nintendo games are kid friendly but I wouldn't say they're directly targeted to kids. I see them as all-ages games, and so does Nintendo imo

wow the metal gear solid trailer looks sickballs

i hope it's not gonna be like the ps3 game, everything looked great with amazing ideas and artwork but man that rusty gameplay sucked so much, the first one on ps1 had better controls. also too many boring cutscenes

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:52 PM, Joyrex said:

I don't know why everyone's bashing Nintendo - I didn't think they did too bad, and while what they did show was pretty par for the course for them, it's understandable that with the NX looming on the horizon, nothing they are going to announce now is going to be jaw-dropping.

 

That being said, Nintendo rarely releases shoddy games, and out of any developer, I think they have one of the highest levels of production out there. Splatoon is an excellent example of the amount of thought and polish they put into the game, and the fact it's a new IP to boot (the first one for Nintendo in a long time).

 

not so disappointed anymore, but definitely was feeling bit let down initially.

 

starting to feel like nintendo had different strategy this year to last year.

this year nitnendo seemed to be about games that are going to be more immediately available, showing off 2015 releases and promoting games coming out soon/holiday season.

 

last year nintendo were alot more about just showing off heaps of games and even demo-ing 2015 games (teasing star fox, showing off mario maker, splatoon, yoshis woolly world.. even zelda).

 

i was expecting a similar reveal of new games this year, but instead it was more promoting the games that will be coming out 2015 while keeping tight lip on anything bordering into 2016. not a terrible strategy, but it's a 180 from last year and having those expectations for new stuff to be revealed is more or less where the disappointment came from.

 

i dont exactly think nintendo fucked up or anything anymore tho, it honestly just feels like they had a different strategy in mind with how they were handling e3.

  On 6/18/2015 at 7:03 PM, QQQ said:

 

  On 6/18/2015 at 6:44 PM, juiceciuj said:

well the last time nintendo released a decent controller with a home console was snes.

Other than the terrible battery life the gamepad is awesome. Having your inventory in front of you without needing to go into menus is a small thing but it makes life better. Same with having maps not cluttering the screen etc. Off TV play is a brilliant idea (Mario kart 8 whilst on the toilet? Why not!) as well.

 

The gyro in Splatoon feels really good to use (coming from someone who generally hates motion controls). The cockpit idea in Starfox 0 looks awesome. Using it as a touch screen in things like Rayman Legends and Kirby works well and it is a cool concept to have players playing around the same TV but one having access to their own private screen with different functions like the platform thing in Mario Bros U or the ghost mini game in Nintendo Land or whatever it's called.

 

The Wiimote kinda sucked tho.

 

the gamepad feels incredibly cheap. hate the glare coming up from my lap when i'm playing in the dark, especially when it's a game that needs no gamepad interaction (most of the good ones) and yeah, the battery is laughable.

 

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:44 PM, autopilot said:

 

  On 6/18/2015 at 8:13 PM, Rubin Farr said:

The fact that children are the primary target audience for Nintendo seems to be lost on our members.

 

Children don't care about limited availability toys & franchises from the 80s. They want to play Halo & Call of Duty. Nintendo's primary demo right now are the nostalgic Nintendo fans in their 30s they alienated when they spent the previous console generation trying to get soccer moms to do yoga in front of their TVs.

ha. i definitely got my money's worth out of my wii. just frustrating to have to play great games with such a stupid controller

 

  On 6/18/2015 at 11:08 PM, Ivan Ooze said:

wow the metal gear solid trailer looks sickballs

i hope it's not gonna be like the ps3 game, everything looked great with amazing ideas and artwork but man that rusty gameplay sucked so much, the first one on ps1 had better controls. also too many boring cutscenes

if ground zeroes and peace walker are any indication, mgsv is going to be awesome. it's also probably going to be enormously long

  On 6/18/2015 at 11:35 PM, bitroast said:

 

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:52 PM, Joyrex said:

I don't know why everyone's bashing Nintendo - I didn't think they did too bad, and while what they did show was pretty par for the course for them, it's understandable that with the NX looming on the horizon, nothing they are going to announce now is going to be jaw-dropping.

 

That being said, Nintendo rarely releases shoddy games, and out of any developer, I think they have one of the highest levels of production out there. Splatoon is an excellent example of the amount of thought and polish they put into the game, and the fact it's a new IP to boot (the first one for Nintendo in a long time).

 

not so disappointed anymore, but definitely was feeling bit let down initially.

 

starting to feel like nintendo had different strategy this year to last year.

this year nitnendo seemed to be about games that are going to be more immediately available, showing off 2015 releases and promoting games coming out soon/holiday season.

 

last year nintendo were alot more about just showing off heaps of games and even demo-ing 2015 games (teasing star fox, showing off mario maker, splatoon, yoshis woolly world.. even zelda).

 

i was expecting a similar reveal of new games this year, but instead it was more promoting the games that will be coming out 2015 while keeping tight lip on anything bordering into 2016. not a terrible strategy, but it's a 180 from last year and having those expectations for new stuff to be revealed is more or less where the disappointment came from.

 

i dont exactly think nintendo fucked up or anything anymore tho, it honestly just feels like they had a different strategy in mind with how they were handling e3.

 

 

Honestly, now that I'm looking at this from a new perspective, the worst part about Nintendo's presence at E3 was really the digital event that started it off. That's been the only sore spot in the majority of their coverage. Their Nintendo World Championship thing was a brilliant way to capture that feeling of Nintendo nostalgia and whoever thought of bringing that back deserves a promotion. The ongoing Treehouse stuff on Twitch has pretty much answered every question about all their games for the next year and they showcased a wide variety of both first-party, third-party, and indie games. And it wasn't just like a trailer but it was like substantial 30-45 minutes showcases of those games. Like watching those 3DS demos of the Metroid and Zelda games has gotten me hyped for their eventual release because you could see the excitement of both the people playing and those who developed the game.

 

I think it was a mistake to have that mini-Nintendo Direct before E3 that announced the Smash Bros. DLC and Earthbound Beginnings and it would have made more sense to include that stuff in their digital event. Like imagine the amount of hype they would have gotten if they had announced Roy, Lucas and Dreamland 64 DLC in the middle of that digital event and then at the end done the old Apple 'one more thing' and shown off Ryu and his stage DLC and then to announce that all that would be available as soon as the digital event was over.

 

I also think it was a mistake to slap the Metroid Prime license on that 3DS game. Don't get me wrong it looks like it's going to be a solid game mechanically but it would have had way more hype if they had announced it as a new IP or even called it something like Metroid Galactic Federation Force. Unfortuantely when Nintendo fans think of Metroid Prime, they think of two things (the "god-tier" console games or the substandard DS Hunters and that one pinball game). So announcing another Metroid Prime handheld game has lowered the expectations for a good majority of individuals.

 

I still don't understand (Well I understand that they don't expect them to sell well and so they don't want to devote a lot of marketing money to those projects) why they refuse to show Devil's Third or Rodea: The Sky Soldier especially when after the backlash occurred they mentioned that they are only focusing on games coming out in the near future. It's like they forgot these games are releasing in August and September, respectably. And finally it seems weird that Reggie is trashing the current VR tech since most people think of Nintendo as innovators in the video game world. Like they're are certain times when I just wished the higher-ups wouldn't make public statements because it's just easy cannon-fodder to stoke the Nintendo hate bonfire.

yeah^ bad.

having their conference/digital event AFTER microsoft/sony/ea/bethesda and even after the nintendo world championship was a weird move.

had they've just made their announcements early and then had fun with the games afterwards with the treehouse + championship stuff, i think people probably would have been more accepting.

*should be working at nintendos marketing team*

 

Wii U. terrible, confusing name. i would have called it the Super SNES.

If Nintendo were to showcase their next Metroid game, they might actually grab my attention. I don't believe they've done anything with the franchise since Other M five years ago tho, which I've actually played a couple hours of.

Still have fond memories of the original Super Smash Bros on N64. Used to be nearly unstoppable with Pikachu.

EDIT: Nooo not new page again. Why meeeeee

Edited June 19, 2015 by ambermonk

  On 6/19/2015 at 5:29 AM, ambermonk said:

EDIT: Nooo not new page again. Why meeeeee

 

at least you get the new pages, i never pay attention to post count and always seem to get the last post of the page, which get ignored a lot