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an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:18 AM, barbara planar said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:11 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:03 AM, barbara planar said:

dude, the show sounded fucking amazing in person. did you see them live recently?

 

edit: re, Jev (!?)

 

I was in Krakow. It was absolutely horrible (written a rant about that right after the show).

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:03 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:01 AM, Jev said:

It is absolutely incredible how much of important musical content we missed during the actual live shows. I mean, what is the point of playing such subtle-details-based music in such horrible acoustic conditions? Parts that didn't make sense live at all are now clear (yet still difficult in a good way) and super-exciting. I am glad it got released. We would miss so much of the actual compositions and how they were supposed to be heard.

 

Will buy soon. Thank you AE.

in some spaces this probably did happen but I think plenty of places they played at had sound and room acoustics very much capable of allowing the audience to hear most of the details

 

 

There is not a single recording of this tour that would capture those details heard in soundboards recordings. And because we can trust the microphones, I don't believe anybody (apart maybe those who were suicidal enough and stood really close to the speakers) were able to hear the details that we are able to hear now in the soundboards. So super-subtle details (and I am listening on AKG K701 now) that any reverberation at all must have killed it.

 

I would say, without hesitation, that the sound in Denver was well-crisp and clean.. to the extent that much of the 'wow' factor was because of the level of detail going on in the room, and because it sounded so massive.. the depth of sound was not so obscured by the "acoustic limitations"

 

OK, I will try to trust you in this one even if I consider it to be highly unlikely.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

No. Sorry, I believe that is not technically possible.

Stereo audio recording might not capture the space as a human hears/feels it but it will most certainly capture all the details and information (and much much more details - condenser mics) occurring on that spot in that moment.

EDIT: But we are quite offtopic here.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

Yeah, I kind of agree with that, since the really distant and reverberated sounds really made the room feel much bigger than it did in the opening sets, but it would still be nice to hear it again, even if it's a different experience. It really deserves to be archived so that it can be properly examined in a more personal and relaxed environment.

this thread has taken an odd turn, going into the thank you sean and rob thread, see you guys there

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, drillkicker said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:16 AM, crono3 said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:13 AM, drillkicker said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 1:42 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 1:27 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

the fact that they did all this with max/msp is pretty incredible.

 

Are you sure they wrote all these patches in max? I seem to recall them saying they've written software to make all their music with which certainly implies max/msp but I don't recall them explicitly saying so.

They've stated that they use Max several times in interviews, and I think they did so in AAA, so it makes sense to infer that Max is involved in these live sets as well. I think Sean's vape is a pretty big part of the set, too.

 

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 1:59 AM, barbara planar said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 1:35 AM, drillkicker said:

Do they do all their music in Max? I'd really like to know how much of their music is made with Max and how much is hardware, but they seem to be pretty secretive about that.

are you asking if the sounds are generated solely using max/msp? you can process hardware sounds, samples, etc. using max... i don't think they're very strict about what sources their using.

and to drillkicker, why is this a bad thing? what are you going on about? this is fucking gold... you're expecting it for free?

I think it's a bad idea to exclude people from being able to buy it for something so petty. I don't pay much attention to social media, so I never saw Warp's tweets about this. I believe that if they were to reward people for signing up, they should give them something for free. Either that, or they put something in a store that everybody can access. Charging people on top of excluding others doesn't seem like a wise combination, especially when torrent trackers or streaming sites exist that people will inevitably use to access the soundboards if they didn't sign up for the mailing list. Bleep is alienating people who don't keep up with Twitter, and not even offering a pre-order or anything to those who missed it.

 

 

Judging by all the problems, I think it's obvious this is just a test of their brand new online store. Once it's working properly it'll open up to everyone else and be advertised properly I'm sure. This isn't some super-secret exclusive club lol

 

Then it would have been better to offer something other than full, remastered soundboards, because it seems like a super-secret exclusive club.

 

umm.. then try thinking of it like a beta version of a game or program. We're testing out the system so when they roll it out it doesn't fall apart like it almost is now.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:27 AM, drillkicker said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

Yeah, I kind of agree with that, since the really distant and reverberated sounds really made the room feel much bigger than it did in the opening sets, but it would still be nice to hear it again, even if it's a different experience. It really deserves to be archived so that it can be properly examined in a more personal and relaxed environment.

 

We are not talking about "experience being bigger" and others stuff you might have felt during the show. We are talking about sonic information being completely lost during acoustic problems. Today's microphones (at least condensers) simply captures all the air pressure changes and if there were details to capture, they would have capture it and we could have hear it.

my god... only 10 mins into Krakow and this is amazing!! I feel like I got a new album or something

Oh my god I got krakow

oh my fucking god what am I even hearing, tentacles into my brain. my ears tickle

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:31 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:27 AM, drillkicker said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

Yeah, I kind of agree with that, since the really distant and reverberated sounds really made the room feel much bigger than it did in the opening sets, but it would still be nice to hear it again, even if it's a different experience. It really deserves to be archived so that it can be properly examined in a more personal and relaxed environment.

 

 

We are not talking about "experience being bigger" and others stuff you might have felt during the show. We are talking about sonic information being completely lost during acoustic problems. Today's microphones (at least condensers) simply captures all the air pressure changes and if there were details to capture, they would have capture it and we could have hear it.

 

That isn't what I was talking about.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:33 AM, drillkicker said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:31 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:27 AM, drillkicker said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

Yeah, I kind of agree with that, since the really distant and reverberated sounds really made the room feel much bigger than it did in the opening sets, but it would still be nice to hear it again, even if it's a different experience. It really deserves to be archived so that it can be properly examined in a more personal and relaxed environment.

 

 

We are not talking about "experience being bigger" and others stuff you might have felt during the show. We are talking about sonic information being completely lost during acoustic problems. Today's microphones (at least condensers) simply captures all the air pressure changes and if there were details to capture, they would have capture it and we could have hear it.

 

That isn't what I was talking about.

 

OK, sorry if I misunderstood your post.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:32 AM, crono3 said:

my god... only 10 mins into Krakow and this is amazing!! I feel like I got a new album or something

Exactly. I can barely believe this is the same set that I was listening to bootlegs of a year ago. I mean obviously the same structure and basic sounds are there, but there's a massive qualitative difference that makes it sound completely different. So good.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:25 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

 

No. Sorry, I believe that is not technically possible.

 

Stereo audio recording might not capture the space as a human hears/feels it but it will most certainly capture all the details and information (and much much more details - condenser mics) occurring on that spot in that moment.

 

EDIT: But we are quite offtopic here.

 

it is technically impossible to record all of the audio information within a space, with all of the acoustic phenomena going on. yes, with a soundboard recording, you have ALL of the information provided within the signal, but then you are sacrificing the room sound. you can argue that the entirety of the information included in the signal is the objective, or ideal, with autechre's music. but then you're ignoring all of the acoustic phenomena that occurs as a result of that signal being projected into a room. some might argue that a blend of the direct signal and the room sound would be ideal, but it's a moot point, and yes, a bit off-topic.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:36 AM, barbara planar said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:25 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

 

No. Sorry, I believe that is not technically possible.

 

Stereo audio recording might not capture the space as a human hears/feels it but it will most certainly capture all the details and information (and much much more details - condenser mics) occurring on that spot in that moment.

 

EDIT: But we are quite offtopic here.

 

it is technically impossible to record all of the audio information within a space, with all of the acoustic phenomena going on. yes, with a soundboard recording, you have ALL of the information provided within the signal, but then you are sacrificing the room sound. you can argue that the entirety of the information included in the signal is the objective, or ideal, with autechre's music. but then you're ignoring all of the acoustic phenomena that occurs as a result of that signal being projected into a room. some might argue that a blend of the direct signal and the room sound would be ideal, but it's a moot point, and yes, a bit off-topic.

 

Well comparing the room recordings with these soundboards... I'll take these :P

If people coordinated and really tried, how good of audience bootlegs could they produce with only mics that can fit hidden under a shirt or something? I'm assuming like a person in the far back middle, two people in the middle sides with two mics meant for both bass and treble (far sides each to give stereo view), and one guy way up front for super treble. what am i on about I don't know anything about this lol.

On a side note, does anyone else like the AE_LIVE artwork more than the Exai artwork? lol

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:36 AM, barbara planar said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:25 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

 

No. Sorry, I believe that is not technically possible.

 

Stereo audio recording might not capture the space as a human hears/feels it but it will most certainly capture all the details and information (and much much more details - condenser mics) occurring on that spot in that moment.

 

EDIT: But we are quite offtopic here.

it is technically impossible to record all of the audio information within a space, with all of the acoustic phenomena going on. yes, with a soundboard recording, you have ALL of the information provided within the signal, but then you are sacrificing the room sound. you can argue that the entirety of the information included in the signal is the objective, or ideal, with autechre's music. but then you're ignoring all of the acoustic phenomena that occurs as a result of that signal being projected into a room. some might argue that a blend of the direct signal and the room sound would be ideal, but it's a moot point, and yes, a bit off-topic.

I don't think the acoustics are important in an Autechre recording. If anything, it diminishes the quality of the recording, as room reverb sounds awful on all that bass. Room recordings sound better sometimes (Strapping Young Lad's No Sleep 'Till Bedtime and Current 93's How I Devoured Apocalypse Balloon come to mind, as well as a lot of Death In June and Throbbing Gristle live albums), but in general soundboards sound significantly better in every way, especially with electronic music like Autechre.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:42 AM, crono3 said:

On a side note, does anyone else like the AE_LIVE artwork more than the Exai artwork? lol

Nope, definitely not. That black-on-black artwork is my design fetish.

o dear this thread sucks now

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:36 AM, barbara planar said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:25 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:22 AM, barbara planar said:

an audio recording is much like a photograph, as it captures nowhere near the sense of what you've experienced at the actual location. you cannot convey the sense of space and depth of a location, and the events occurring there, by any recording medium

 

No. Sorry, I believe that is not technically possible.

 

Stereo audio recording might not capture the space as a human hears/feels it but it will most certainly capture all the details and information (and much much more details - condenser mics) occurring on that spot in that moment.

 

EDIT: But we are quite offtopic here.

 

it is technically impossible to record all of the audio information within a space, with all of the acoustic phenomena going on. yes, with a soundboard recording, you have ALL of the information provided within the signal, but then you are sacrificing the room sound. you can argue that the entirety of the information included in the signal is the objective, or ideal, with autechre's music. but then you're ignoring all of the acoustic phenomena that occurs as a result of that signal being projected into a room. some might argue that a blend of the direct signal and the room sound would be ideal, but it's a moot point, and yes, a bit off-topic.

 

It is not impossible. I don't believe it is impossible to record all of the audio information within a single spot within a space. I don't know any technical reason how would that be possible. It is just an air pressure and mics record it. And they will record everything in the given spot. Same as your ears are also only hearing what is provided by air in the given spot.

Anyway, what I meant was that bad acoustics cause important compositional information to get lost. To give you an example, there were many parts in the set in my live Krakow experience where there was no rhythm at all because the rhythmic elements couldn't be heard at the spot. I examined some of the parts in question in the official soundboard recording and was amazed how much more of the information could be heard and that there actually was clear rhythms. To me, hearing all that is meant to be heard is the priority.

I somewhat suspect you would never retrieve a true recording unless you had a mic inside perfect structural recreations of your specific ears.

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:48 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

I somewhat suspect you would never retrieve a true recording unless you had a mic inside perfect structural recreations of your specific ears.

Of course, not a true recording compared to your live experience. But you would most definitely capture all the audio information (from the composition) on the given spot. Unless the mic in question was drastically HPF.

I tried that thing StephenG suggested and I was told no account exists with the email address: email address which I subscribed.

Why do all the downloads contain a 100x100 pixel black JPG with different names?

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:43 AM, drillkicker said:

I don't think the acoustics are important in an Autechre recording. If anything, it diminishes the quality of the recording, as room reverb sounds awful on all that bass. Room recordings sound better sometimes (Strapping Young Lad's No Sleep 'Till Bedtime and Current 93's How I Devoured Apocalypse Balloon come to mind, as well as a lot of Death In June and Throbbing Gristle live albums), but in general soundboards sound significantly better in every way, especially with electronic music like Autechre.

I'd agree, and I'd pay for it. From Ae's perspective though, they're blasting this insanely laboured-over sound art into a room... you have to imagine that they're going for the best possible results -- working with the physical dimensions of the room, volume, mix, etc. that's a whole art in itself, it's nice to think that there's the possibility of the music sounding augmented, enhanced, more 'powerful' in an open air scenario. it's not strictly meant to be heard in a sterile vacuum.

i had untilted recorded on tape and played it for years in my car, the speakers where shit but the music still got me and my mates high

happy times