Does the music you make give you the same feeling when you listen to it as you favorite tunes.

  On 11/3/2015 at 12:13 AM, xox said:

i uploaded this track only for this post, just to show you with what kind of tracks i'm killing my self with. it's a work in progress and maybe it's not powerful enough in this 1 min form but after 10 min of this i'm half dead. i only started to compose it cause i couldn't find anything similar to liste to that day...and i felt very sad that day, very sad...and a bit of angry...

https://soundcloud.com/notein/sil3-excerpt

Good one, i also liked the other 2 you posted.

For the more drum heavy one just a little remark:

Next time you play something like this, please try to do a bigger variation on the drums after the break, or add an additonal layer or something.

I've got quite good (from practice) now at listening to my own stuff like I didn't make it.

It's a form of role play I guess.

  On 11/4/2015 at 10:29 AM, Psychotronic said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 12:13 AM, xox said:

i uploaded this track only for this post, just to show you with what kind of tracks i'm killing my self with. it's a work in progress and maybe it's not powerful enough in this 1 min form but after 10 min of this i'm half dead. i only started to compose it cause i couldn't find anything similar to liste to that day...and i felt very sad that day, very sad...and a bit of angry...

https://soundcloud.com/notein/sil3-excerpt

Good one, i also liked the other 2 you posted.

 

For the more drum heavy one just a little remark:

Next time you play something like this, please try to do a bigger variation on the drums after the break, or add an additonal layer or something.

Thnx btw! ;)

  On 11/3/2015 at 11:31 PM, Nil said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 7:29 AM, xox said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 12:47 AM, modey said:

that track is amazing!

Phenx ;)

 

...if you're referring to my track

+1

 

I'd love to listen to the whole piece once it's done.

Sure, thnx! ;)

I find I like the ones that I make quickly best. Either something that I have recorded live or just pasted together. When you play subconsciously or randomly in the moment that's where the good stuff is.

Either that or the ones that I have forgotten about.

i wanted to make a separate thread for that but maybe it's close enough to be posted here. It's about this thing of "getting bored" of a given thing you compose. I don't know who can relate to that but for me here is approximately the way music making process works:

i come up with an idea which I find exciting, which makes me want to go further. if I keep listening to it as is too many times, I'll get bored about it and will have to develop it, add something to it to keep the excitement alive. At some point it starts to sound as a whole and I don't think I should add anything else. That's the point where this feeling of "lack of perspective" comes.

now, what I noticed (in the last time particularly) is that I get bored way more with the melodic stuff I write. Recently I worked on a very melodic/melancholic track and I was really touched by the melodies and sounds but now the magic has almost disappeared and I really wonder where it's gone. it's sad because I thought I was almost done with it but I'm not able to finish it right now.

can someone relate to this thing about getting more bored of melodic stuff than the more abstract stuff??

the more music theory enables me to understand how a certain track evokes a certain feeling in me the more I am able to harvest and execute these intense impressions.

  On 11/4/2015 at 2:49 PM, Antape said:

 

can someone relate to this thing about getting more bored of melodic stuff than the more abstract stuff??

if you are bored the chord progression is to simple

I also create everything with piano first because its very easy to spot problems in arrangement that will not be visible once everything is covered in texture rich synthesis

I definitely get similar feelings listening to my own music as I would from listening to favorite tracks etc.

But I think the feeling for me may be a little more special and unique, since I know I am the one that made it etc. It also usually gives me feelings of pride and happiness: knowing that I have my own particular style which I am very content with, and that I am actively progressing/expanding my main passion in my life.

  On 11/4/2015 at 3:52 PM, unteleportedman said:

I have my own particular style which I am very content with, and that I am actively progressing/expanding my main passion in my life.

Wonder whether this has any sway at all? There are tracks within a certain style that I can make quickly and appreciate just as much as a 'professional' tune. There are others in different genres where I feel I haven't quite got 'the sound' and these are the ones I am generally disappointed in.

There have been a few pieces of tunes that I've written that will hit me like I hadn't, but it's only after I've forgotten how I made them.

  On 11/4/2015 at 3:25 PM, o00o said:

 

  On 11/4/2015 at 2:49 PM, Antape said:

 

can someone relate to this thing about getting more bored of melodic stuff than the more abstract stuff??

 

if you are bored the chord progression is to simple

 

not sure about that, when I say I'm bored I mean it's after having listened to parts of the track tons of times because I'm making it. I just noticed I get bored about melodic stuff more easily, in music in general.

i get your point about writing the arrangement with a piano first but that's very restrictive on the music you'll be able to produce imo. I could imagine produce tracks like that and that would be a nice experiment to do for sure but most of the time I'm really into searching the melodic/harmonic part at the same time as the sounds. works as a synergy for me (and imo a lot of great electronic is composed like that).

There is only very few tracks/songs/compositions in this world that are able to have a truly serious emotional impact on me. Most of the time music provides me "just" fun and amazement or just a background noise.

I really like some of my ideas but nothing to cry for. I usually get "just" satisfaction from a good compositional work.

To name some of the stable truly serious-emotion providers that truly (I cannot stress the word enough because I really really mean it) caused me breakdowns:

John Adams - Harmonielehre (Part 1)

Tool - Disposition -> Reflection -> Triad

Autechre - IV VV IV VV VIII

The rest on my list is very mood dependable.

So no truly deep emotion with my music but I can head-bang/dance occasionally to it which was enough so far.

EDIT: By "emotions" I don't mean just "sad". It can be sadness, anger, joy, or immense pressure/relief.

EDIT2: Some nice production moments there, Notein (xox).

  On 11/4/2015 at 2:49 PM, Antape said:

i wanted to make a separate thread for that but maybe it's close enough to be posted here. It's about this thing of "getting bored" of a given thing you compose. I don't know who can relate to that but for me here is approximately the way music making process works:

 

i come up with an idea which I find exciting, which makes me want to go further. if I keep listening to it as is too many times, I'll get bored about it and will have to develop it, add something to it to keep the excitement alive. At some point it starts to sound as a whole and I don't think I should add anything else. That's the point where this feeling of "lack of perspective" comes.

 

now, what I noticed (in the last time particularly) is that I get bored way more with the melodic stuff I write. Recently I worked on a very melodic/melancholic track and I was really touched by the melodies and sounds but now the magic has almost disappeared and I really wonder where it's gone. it's sad because I thought I was almost done with it but I'm not able to finish it right now.

 

can someone relate to this thing about getting more bored of melodic stuff than the more abstract stuff??

Melodic (or rather "explicit") stuff = easier to remember = easier to predict = less surprise = bored brain

Quality abstract/fresh/atypical stuff = harder to remember = harder to predict = more surprise = engaged brain

That is why a "typical song" = immediately/quickly bored brain and Autechre = months of engaged brain with years of repeating re-discoveries.

Just a general theory I came up with.

I wouldn't go too much into the black and white thing with "melodic typical song" and "abstract very intelligent" thing, for me there is appeal to both those aspects of music. But I definitely see your point and agree with the fact that more abstract stuff lets more room to your imagination. Those who are interested in Milan Kundera might want to read his essay "Testaments Betrayed", he develops very interesting ideas on the subject there

Yeah, I've knocked a handful of songs out of the park and into the warm and fuzzies. Perhaps in another ten years or so I'll have a rock solid greatest hits collection that I can put in the cd player for a rainy day.

I don't think it's at all an issue of ego for a musician to dearly love a piece of music they've composed. Many times they're composing something they want to listen to and do reach that goal to their own perfection. Sometimes they experiment aimlessly and strike gold and have something great to listen to as well. I feel it's certainly possible to love one of your own as much as favorite songs from other musicians. I think the ugly ego thing creeps into the picture when you dismiss other musician's music because you've wired your own brain to compare everyone else's music the music you make yourself, instead of actually listening to it to find if you really enjoy it or not.

  On 11/6/2015 at 12:16 PM, Antape said:

I wouldn't go too much into the black and white thing with "melodic typical song" and "abstract very intelligent" thing,

Yeah, it is hard to describe properly. That is why I named the "explicit" term too. But it is all too subjective and experience-based.

To the original question. Yeah If I do it right it does. That why I make music. I want to make music I like to listen to and stuff that gives me the best feeling I can get from music. That means a lot of trail and error and lots on the scrap pile. When it happens it's a good feeling though. It's rare but worth it.

  On 11/6/2015 at 11:46 PM, Chesney said:

To the original question. Yeah If I do it right it does. That why I make music. I want to make music I like to listen to and stuff that gives me the best feeling I can get from music. That means a lot of trail and error and lots on the scrap pile. When it happens it's a good feeling though. It's rare but worth it.

Yeah, pretty rare but motivating enough to keep trying. How long have you been doing music?

  On 11/4/2015 at 3:25 PM, o00o said:

 

  On 11/4/2015 at 2:49 PM, Antape said:

can someone relate to this thing about getting more bored of melodic stuff than the more abstract stuff??

if you are bored the chord progression is to simple

Listen to Indian music. If you're bored of hearing the same simple progressions, then it can be very refreshing to hear music that has nothing to do with Western theory. Indian classical music in particular might be something you'd enjoy, because the musical system it uses is much less focused on harmonic progressions and more focused on melodic ones. Usually the harmony is just a single drone that's used as a background for solo instruments or vocals, and to someone like myself who doesn't know anything about Indian music theory it's very unpredictable. I strongly recommend that you try that out if you haven't done so.

  On 11/7/2015 at 8:08 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 11:46 PM, Chesney said:

To the original question. Yeah If I do it right it does. That why I make music. I want to make music I like to listen to and stuff that gives me the best feeling I can get from music. That means a lot of trail and error and lots on the scrap pile. When it happens it's a good feeling though. It's rare but worth it.

 

Yeah, pretty rare but motivating enough to keep trying. How long have you been doing music?

 

writing music on guitar forever but When I heard Plaid Spokes I decided I wanted to make electronic music. That probably makes it 10-11 years. Although 4 years of band stuff in that time made me put my own music on the back burner. It's only recently I have decided to even let people hear my stuff again.

  On 11/7/2015 at 3:41 PM, Chesney said:

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 8:08 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 11:46 PM, Chesney said:

To the original question. Yeah If I do it right it does. That why I make music. I want to make music I like to listen to and stuff that gives me the best feeling I can get from music. That means a lot of trail and error and lots on the scrap pile. When it happens it's a good feeling though. It's rare but worth it.

 

Yeah, pretty rare but motivating enough to keep trying. How long have you been doing music?

 

writing music on guitar forever but When I heard Plaid Spokes I decided I wanted to make electronic music. That probably makes it 10-11 years. Although 4 years of band stuff in that time made me put my own music on the back burner. It's only recently I have decided to even let people hear my stuff again.

 

Cool. Thanks.

No, it doesn't.

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