EU

alco, you're being made to look foolish by a Jev here, you might want to stop posting for a while.

  On 7/22/2016 at 6:56 PM, Lane Visitor said:

shooting spree at shopping mall in munich

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Top+Stories%29

maybe up to 15 killed, whatever was going on seems to be over now.

other reports saying only 1 fatality, hopefully that one is more accurate.

New thread

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:11 PM, caze said:

alco, you're being made to look foolish by a Jev here, you might want to stop posting for a while

Reported

Sky News now reporting a second shooting in Munich at a Metro

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/756543107655688192/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=elvonrichard&utm_content=756543178375692290

73-125 civilians killed. yikes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/22/us-airstrikes-syria-manbij-civilian-deaths

Are you okay?

this thread is just packed with all kinds of tangents and long huge rambling posts with no connection to the op (i, of course, am partly to blame).

thought maybe it was the post horrible shit thread

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:11 PM, caze said:

alco, you're being made to look foolish by a Jev here, you might want to stop posting for a while.

haha, I actually exposed his foolishness. He is lost.

  On 7/22/2016 at 6:47 PM, Alcofribas said:

seriously jev. this is pathetic. you liberals are the new fascists and the genocidal blood of innocents soaks your hands. your camp has no problem when the media crucified Refridgeration, Air Conditioning, Beer Coozies, etc but when it comes to Ice suddenly you hypocrital lot start making all these excuses and being all like "look, not all ice is bad. it's just ice. some people use it for evil but the vast majority use it to just cool stuff down." Fuck off mate. even on this forum there's nothing but an alt-ice mob mentality. ICE WATER WITH ICE IS EVEN A FUCKING MEME HERE. you're a coward bro. read sam harris's The Moral Icescape and get back to me.

Oh yeah, Alco, roll it, man! Show us more of how absolutely out of your mind and out of touch of reality you are. I am going to find a pic with "triple jackpot" in the meantime. You rock.

  On 7/22/2016 at 4:33 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:10 AM, Audioblysk said:

What the hell is there to argue? It's not the fault of a dogmatic set of principals that are originally inherent in the teachings of the Quran. End of story, the argument of the religion being at fault falls by the wayside. If you've ever skimmed it, it's not all that different from the bible and even a bit more uplifting than the usual Judeo-Christian teachings. All this leads to the point that there are just very angry and reactionary people in the world who twist supposed 'holy' words to fit their weird emotions or craziness. No different than Christian crazies or really any extremist faction. It's the perversion of 'faith' that leads to incomplete people doing atrocious things and has for centuries.

 

How are we still on this topic? Painting in such broad strokes as "it's the religion's fault, bad religion, baaaaad" is completely missing the multitude of other reasons that reactionary and extremest 'terror' groups exist and continue to gather influence in places of the world that are war-torn, undereducated and pissed. For a triple threat like yourself, Jev2.0, I don't know how you're still arguing that point. It's not the suggestion that a religion may be responsible for the acts of shitty people that people can't wrap their heads around, it's more the complete lack of cognition and bigger-picture that someone like yourself must have to spout such nonsense above the multitude of other reasons things like this happen and keep happening.

 

If you mention Sam Harris, I swear to god...

 

I personally know a Muslim guy. Smiling, friendly, university education, no poverty (studying abroad in Europe). Believes in Sharia; absolutely cannot comprehend atheists, homosexuality and free sex; Quran is 100% pure, Muhammad too; European culture is completely opposite to his. I wasn't prepared yet to ask him about stoning for adultery and forced marriages.

 

Then you have this thing:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get your reality check, mate.

 

Think you misspelled musulman there, guy.

Also this

Wait, this is the 5th anniversary of the Breivik attack?

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:56 PM, chenGOD said:

 

Think you misspelled musulman there, guy.

 

Isn't there an ip.board filter you can set up to auto-correct that?

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:59 PM, caze said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:56 PM, chenGOD said:

 

Think you misspelled musulman there, guy.

 

 

Isn't there an ip.board filter you can set up to auto-correct that?

 

Probably, but i'm just a lowly mod - no access to the backend.

  On 7/22/2016 at 4:33 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:10 AM, Audioblysk said:

What the hell is there to argue? It's not the fault of a dogmatic set of principals that are originally inherent in the teachings of the Quran. End of story, the argument of the religion being at fault falls by the wayside. If you've ever skimmed it, it's not all that different from the bible and even a bit more uplifting than the usual Judeo-Christian teachings. All this leads to the point that there are just very angry and reactionary people in the world who twist supposed 'holy' words to fit their weird emotions or craziness. No different than Christian crazies or really any extremist faction. It's the perversion of 'faith' that leads to incomplete people doing atrocious things and has for centuries.

 

How are we still on this topic? Painting in such broad strokes as "it's the religion's fault, bad religion, baaaaad" is completely missing the multitude of other reasons that reactionary and extremest 'terror' groups exist and continue to gather influence in places of the world that are war-torn, undereducated and pissed. For a triple threat like yourself, Jev2.0, I don't know how you're still arguing that point. It's not the suggestion that a religion may be responsible for the acts of shitty people that people can't wrap their heads around, it's more the complete lack of cognition and bigger-picture that someone like yourself must have to spout such nonsense above the multitude of other reasons things like this happen and keep happening.

 

If you mention Sam Harris, I swear to god...

 

I personally know a Muslim guy. Smiling, friendly, university education, no poverty (studying abroad in Europe). Believes in Sharia; absolutely cannot comprehend atheists, homosexuality and free sex; Quran is 100% pure, Muhammad too; European culture is completely opposite to his. I wasn't prepared yet to ask him about stoning for adultery and forced marriages.

 

 

glad thats all cleared up then

maybe if you extended your personal repertoire to befriending a greater spread of Muslimic extremics, you'll see what utter toss your perspective offers

however, if anger wanks are your thang maybe use some lube from now on cos your todger can only really handle so much friction, ya get meh bwlad

have you "cracked any off" to some beheading vids yet? oh maaaaan, you'd be in your element then, but then desensitization creeps in & b4 you know it you'll be fucking corpses for kicks

take care out there & watch out for those Othello types although it was Iago drip-feeding the hate

ease-e!

Just want to say I'm sorry guys. Alco: exposed.

Jan, it's time to start up the No Alco Club for real.

I've printed this thread and read through it multiple times with my legal clerks, I only have one question.

What in ever loving fuq are "pinky glasses"?

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:56 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 4:33 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:10 AM, Audioblysk said:

What the hell is there to argue? It's not the fault of a dogmatic set of principals that are originally inherent in the teachings of the Quran. End of story, the argument of the religion being at fault falls by the wayside. If you've ever skimmed it, it's not all that different from the bible and even a bit more uplifting than the usual Judeo-Christian teachings. All this leads to the point that there are just very angry and reactionary people in the world who twist supposed 'holy' words to fit their weird emotions or craziness. No different than Christian crazies or really any extremist faction. It's the perversion of 'faith' that leads to incomplete people doing atrocious things and has for centuries.

 

How are we still on this topic? Painting in such broad strokes as "it's the religion's fault, bad religion, baaaaad" is completely missing the multitude of other reasons that reactionary and extremest 'terror' groups exist and continue to gather influence in places of the world that are war-torn, undereducated and pissed. For a triple threat like yourself, Jev2.0, I don't know how you're still arguing that point. It's not the suggestion that a religion may be responsible for the acts of shitty people that people can't wrap their heads around, it's more the complete lack of cognition and bigger-picture that someone like yourself must have to spout such nonsense above the multitude of other reasons things like this happen and keep happening.

 

If you mention Sam Harris, I swear to god...

 

I personally know a Muslim guy. Smiling, friendly, university education, no poverty (studying abroad in Europe). Believes in Sharia; absolutely cannot comprehend atheists, homosexuality and free sex; Quran is 100% pure, Muhammad too; European culture is completely opposite to his. I wasn't prepared yet to ask him about stoning for adultery and forced marriages.

 

Then you have this thing:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get your reality check, mate.

 

 

Think you misspelled musulman there, guy.

 

Also this

 

And? Does it change how hugely significant part of Muslim population actually behaves and thinks? No.

All the bullshit statements about "peaceful majority" when in reality the huge portion is simply just passive. No "peaceful majority" but rather "self-controlling" half. Fuck that.

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:04 PM, cwmbrancity said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 4:33 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:10 AM, Audioblysk said:

What the hell is there to argue? It's not the fault of a dogmatic set of principals that are originally inherent in the teachings of the Quran. End of story, the argument of the religion being at fault falls by the wayside. If you've ever skimmed it, it's not all that different from the bible and even a bit more uplifting than the usual Judeo-Christian teachings. All this leads to the point that there are just very angry and reactionary people in the world who twist supposed 'holy' words to fit their weird emotions or craziness. No different than Christian crazies or really any extremist faction. It's the perversion of 'faith' that leads to incomplete people doing atrocious things and has for centuries.

 

How are we still on this topic? Painting in such broad strokes as "it's the religion's fault, bad religion, baaaaad" is completely missing the multitude of other reasons that reactionary and extremest 'terror' groups exist and continue to gather influence in places of the world that are war-torn, undereducated and pissed. For a triple threat like yourself, Jev2.0, I don't know how you're still arguing that point. It's not the suggestion that a religion may be responsible for the acts of shitty people that people can't wrap their heads around, it's more the complete lack of cognition and bigger-picture that someone like yourself must have to spout such nonsense above the multitude of other reasons things like this happen and keep happening.

 

If you mention Sam Harris, I swear to god...

 

I personally know a Muslim guy. Smiling, friendly, university education, no poverty (studying abroad in Europe). Believes in Sharia; absolutely cannot comprehend atheists, homosexuality and free sex; Quran is 100% pure, Muhammad too; European culture is completely opposite to his. I wasn't prepared yet to ask him about stoning for adultery and forced marriages.

 

 

 

 

glad thats all cleared up then

 

maybe if you extended your personal repertoire to befriending a greater spread of Muslimic extremics, you'll see what utter toss your perspective offers

 

however, if anger wanks are your thang maybe use some lube from now on cos your todger can only really handle so much friction, ya get meh bwlad

 

have you "cracked any off" to some beheading vids yet? oh maaaaan, you'd be in your element then, but then desensitization creeps in & b4 you know it you'll be fucking corpses for kicks

 

take care out there & watch out for those Othello types although it was Iago drip-feeding the hate

 

ease-e!

 

It is really unpleasant to admit that a regular Muslim guy thinks with smile about how perfectly allright and pure Sharia is, right? lol

For Alco:

With love.

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:56 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:56 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 4:33 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:10 AM, Audioblysk said:

What the hell is there to argue? It's not the fault of a dogmatic set of principals that are originally inherent in the teachings of the Quran. End of story, the argument of the religion being at fault falls by the wayside. If you've ever skimmed it, it's not all that different from the bible and even a bit more uplifting than the usual Judeo-Christian teachings. All this leads to the point that there are just very angry and reactionary people in the world who twist supposed 'holy' words to fit their weird emotions or craziness. No different than Christian crazies or really any extremist faction. It's the perversion of 'faith' that leads to incomplete people doing atrocious things and has for centuries.

 

How are we still on this topic? Painting in such broad strokes as "it's the religion's fault, bad religion, baaaaad" is completely missing the multitude of other reasons that reactionary and extremest 'terror' groups exist and continue to gather influence in places of the world that are war-torn, undereducated and pissed. For a triple threat like yourself, Jev2.0, I don't know how you're still arguing that point. It's not the suggestion that a religion may be responsible for the acts of shitty people that people can't wrap their heads around, it's more the complete lack of cognition and bigger-picture that someone like yourself must have to spout such nonsense above the multitude of other reasons things like this happen and keep happening.

 

If you mention Sam Harris, I swear to god...

 

I personally know a Muslim guy. Smiling, friendly, university education, no poverty (studying abroad in Europe). Believes in Sharia; absolutely cannot comprehend atheists, homosexuality and free sex; Quran is 100% pure, Muhammad too; European culture is completely opposite to his. I wasn't prepared yet to ask him about stoning for adultery and forced marriages.

 

Then you have this thing:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get your reality check, mate.

 

 

Think you misspelled musulman there, guy.

 

Also this

 

 

And? Does it change how hugely significant part of Muslim population actually behaves and thinks? No.

 

All the bullshit statements about "peaceful majority" when in reality the huge portion is simply just passive. No "peaceful majority" but rather "self-controlling" half. Fuck that.

 

Read about the backlash to stonings, and that's in Pakistan - one of the most conservative Muslim majority countries.

Glad you can speak for the majority of Pakistanis.

Look we get it - you're scared of "them". You think they're going to destroy "your country", because you know a musulman who believes Sharia is just and the Quran is pure. You think all other points of view are naive.

There's no more constructive debate to be had here.

the anniversary of the Breivik shooting is chilling to me personally atm as I've been laboriously (bc my Norwegian is succ) trying to read through a Norwegian book in which it plays a significant role.

Which book?

Knausgaard's Min kamp

  On 7/22/2016 at 9:08 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:56 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 7:56 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 4:33 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 7/22/2016 at 8:10 AM, Audioblysk said:

What the hell is there to argue? It's not the fault of a dogmatic set of principals that are originally inherent in the teachings of the Quran. End of story, the argument of the religion being at fault falls by the wayside. If you've ever skimmed it, it's not all that different from the bible and even a bit more uplifting than the usual Judeo-Christian teachings. All this leads to the point that there are just very angry and reactionary people in the world who twist supposed 'holy' words to fit their weird emotions or craziness. No different than Christian crazies or really any extremist faction. It's the perversion of 'faith' that leads to incomplete people doing atrocious things and has for centuries.

 

How are we still on this topic? Painting in such broad strokes as "it's the religion's fault, bad religion, baaaaad" is completely missing the multitude of other reasons that reactionary and extremest 'terror' groups exist and continue to gather influence in places of the world that are war-torn, undereducated and pissed. For a triple threat like yourself, Jev2.0, I don't know how you're still arguing that point. It's not the suggestion that a religion may be responsible for the acts of shitty people that people can't wrap their heads around, it's more the complete lack of cognition and bigger-picture that someone like yourself must have to spout such nonsense above the multitude of other reasons things like this happen and keep happening.

 

If you mention Sam Harris, I swear to god...

 

I personally know a Muslim guy. Smiling, friendly, university education, no poverty (studying abroad in Europe). Believes in Sharia; absolutely cannot comprehend atheists, homosexuality and free sex; Quran is 100% pure, Muhammad too; European culture is completely opposite to his. I wasn't prepared yet to ask him about stoning for adultery and forced marriages.

 

Then you have this thing:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get your reality check, mate.

 

 

Think you misspelled musulman there, guy.

 

Also this

 

 

And? Does it change how hugely significant part of Muslim population actually behaves and thinks? No.

 

All the bullshit statements about "peaceful majority" when in reality the huge portion is simply just passive. No "peaceful majority" but rather "self-controlling" half. Fuck that.

 

 

Read about the backlash to stonings, and that's in Pakistan - one of the most conservative Muslim majority countries.

Glad you can speak for the majority of Pakistanis.

 

Look we get it - you're scared of "them". You think they're going to destroy "your country", because you know a musulman who believes Sharia is just and the Quran is pure. You think all other points of view are naive.

There's no more constructive debate to be had here.

 

Do you consider the respected PEW research around the whole Muslim world to be irrelevant? The Muslim guy is just confirmation of what the PEW research says. I don't know if you ever actually tried to talk about these things with Muslims?

What I say is that at least the numbers presented in the PEW research are the numbers we should be all worried about. It should be a big warning especially for LGBT community, atheists, feminists and free-thinking women in general.

Do you have an argument of the calibre of the PEW research or you just sum up your emotions here? I mean, come on.

Also, don't get me wrong, I am glad there are some Muslims truly condemning stoning but what does it change with the actual numbers of Muslims still thinking at this moment that stoning is OK? The immigration to EU happens at this moment, the huge number of Muslims are thinking unacceptable stuff at this moment. That is what matters. I don't care if Islam is truly peaceful in 200 years. I care what happens now, when we have to deal with their culture in our daily lives in Europe and around the world.

  On 7/22/2016 at 9:12 PM, Alcofribas said:

the anniversary of the Breivik shooting is chilling to me personally atm as I've been laboriously (bc my Norwegian is succ) trying to read through a Norwegian book in which it plays a significant role.

Are Muslim terrorist attacks chilling to you to? Because for me Breivik attack is chilling too. I just absolutely don't understand why you talk about Breivik at this moment. Isn't it "but look, they do it to!" argument you are trying to do right now? If yes, you have reached the new low (which would need another jackpot gif so let me know).

Lol some muslims - the PM of Pakistan is just "some muslim".

I suppose the Ulema council are just "some muslims" and their condemnation of honour killings and ISIS don't mean anything.

The PEW research shows that there are large Muslim populations that don't support Sharia and honour killings and all the stuff of your nightmares. Further, you have to look beyond answers to polls and actual data. If the belief that stoning was just was matched by actual action then the numbers of actual stonings would be much higher - that they are not suggests something.

And yes, I know more than one Muslim, and have talked to them about these issues so I guess I win the battle of anecdotal evidence?

And I've lived in countries where the Muslim population is much higher than anything in Europe, and guess what - even my heathen ass made it out of there.

But keep living in fear.

It's the anniversary. That's a p okay time to talk about it.

re: Breivik