Behringer Synth

https://youtu.be/caMT4BYFCCk

  On 7/29/2016 at 9:27 PM, MIXL2 said:

should I go for this or save up for an op-1?

They're worlds apart imo. Depends on what you'd use most, I guess!

  On 7/29/2016 at 11:56 PM, modey said:

 

  On 7/29/2016 at 9:27 PM, MIXL2 said:

should I go for this or save up for an op-1?

They're worlds apart imo. Depends on what you'd use most, I guess!

I guess I don't know really. I'm pretty new to hardware gear, only gotten a couple of pocket operators and nanoloop (for gameboy)... I have fallen in love with demos of the op-1 but synths are bloody expensive... mainly since I'm studying :/

hmm, I have nanoloop, POs and OP-1; it's a cool setup but a pain in the butt to sync the OP-1 with everything, if not using a device in between. I'm actually loosely considering selling the OP-1, and spending the money on a volca fm, volca sample and novation circuit.. I could buy all three with the money I'd get from the OP-1 :P

I'd be sad to see it go though. It is a very good machine, but the sync options aren't very good. The new beta OS helps by including PO sync, but only with OP-1 as master, so forget about syncing nanoloop to it! (nanoloop only supports that bizarre half-speed sync when used as master)

  On 7/30/2016 at 12:50 AM, modey said:

hmm, I have nanoloop, POs and OP-1; it's a cool setup but a pain in the butt to sync the OP-1 with everything, if not using a device in between. I'm actually loosely considering selling the OP-1, and spending the money on a volca fm, volca sample and novation circuit.. I could buy all three with the money I'd get from the OP-1

I'd be sad to see it go though. It is a very good machine, but the sync options aren't very good. The new beta OS helps by including PO sync, but only with OP-1 as master, so forget about syncing nanoloop to it! (nanoloop only supports that bizarre half-speed sync when used as master)

cheers for the tip! I am aware about the sync difficulties... but I think the op-1 was always meant to be a standalone synth.. I'd just record stuff in and sync it later on a daw if I wanted to use it with the other things ;)

 

edit: sorry for derailing the thread... carry on

Edited July 30, 2016 by MIXL2

  On 7/29/2016 at 10:46 PM, pH1 said:

https://m.amazona.de/preview-interview-behringer-deepmind-12-analogsynthesizer

Kaboom... In German btw

Very nice! I guess this will be fairly expensive then, unlike peoples first expectations when they heard Behringer were making a synth.

  On 7/30/2016 at 12:50 AM, modey said:

hmm, I have nanoloop, POs and OP-1; it's a cool setup but a pain in the butt to sync the OP-1 with everything, if not using a device in between. I'm actually loosely considering selling the OP-1, and spending the money on a volca fm, volca sample and novation circuit..

(((

volca fm ...

so angry at myself for missing a preenfm2 last time orders were available > : O

)))

my German's not the best but it seems to mention in this article that the price will be "under €2000"... So yeah, whilst this is pretty good for what you're getting, it's not exactly cheap either

yeah, that's out of my price range. I've never spent that much money on anything.

  On 7/29/2016 at 10:59 PM, pH1 said:

 

They didn't even bother buying that royalty free track in their intro off of Audiojungle and just used the preview file. What a bunch of dicks.

  On 7/30/2016 at 2:28 PM, BCM said:

my German's not the best but it seems to mention in this article that the price will be "under €2000"... So yeah, whilst this is pretty good for what you're getting, it's not exactly cheap either

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Nach meinem Gefühl liegt diese sicher irgendwo zwischen 1.000 und 1.500 Euro – aber das ohne Gewähr.

He says between 1000 and 1500 but it's just a guess.

That is a little worrisome. I think $1200usd would be my limit but even that's pushing it a lot.

 

I could probably accomplish more with an ESQ-1, a couple Poly800's and a CZ-101 for about the same price.

 

 

It does sound nice though. Maybe wait until they show up used.

for that kind of money you could get a moog sub37...ok it's not as fully featured (in some regards, mainly the fact it's not a polysynth although is capable of duophony) but it's a bloody fantastic synth and got the moog heritage.

or you could get 2 juno 106s...

Edited July 30, 2016 by BCM

For a 12voice poly analog Synth with discrete voice and filter circuitry, designed in the UK with a good chance of being hand built in the UK by Midas. I think it will be a bargain if it is sub €$£2000 Especially when you compare it with the prices of comparable current (analog) and vintage analog synths second hand.

Edited July 30, 2016 by pH1

Very true. The P6 and OB6 are over £2000 so they are in direct competition with those. People assumed that they will do it cheaply because it's behringer and they hinted at some ideas early on. It's not cheap to do a full featured discrete poly nevermind 12 voices. Each osc will have it's own dedicated env, filter etc etc.

I'll be very surprised if it comes in below £1600.

Nah it's Behringer, it'll be £99.99.

lol

 

don't think anyone's doubting this will be good value for what it is, but when you start getting into the £1500 - £2000 price range it kind of makes you stop and seriously consider your options...that's a big chunk of change to spend on a synth for most people, very good value though it may be. if you're gonna drop a couple of grand on a synth, then would most people go for a name they trust rather than Behringer? people might think "well I could save £700 (or whatever) by buying Behringer, but fuck it, I'm going to be spending thousands here anyway, may as well go for the Oberheim" - trusted band, proven architecture etc

  On 7/30/2016 at 5:35 PM, Chesney said:

Very true. The P6 and OB6 are over £2000 so they are in direct competition with those. People assumed that they will do it cheaply because it's behringer and they hinted at some ideas early on. It's not cheap to do a full featured discrete poly nevermind 12 voices. Each osc will have it's own dedicated env, filter etc etc.

I'll be very surprised if it comes in below £1600.

 

Yes and no. It depends on how it's assembled, and economies of scale.

 

Unless it really is hand assembled, through hole construction, a 12 voice, analog, DCO/DCA polysynth isn't going to be more complex than, say, a $200 low end laptop.

 

 

I'm hoping they hit the $900-$1100 USD range, myself, although I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit more. But I think if they push it over $1400 USD they're going to have trouble. I don't think competing with more boutique-ish companies like DSI is really what Behringer should be doing, and I hope they won't. They should be aiming at the middle ground between the inexpensive analog stuff that's everywhere right now and the really expensive things that are out of reach for the vast majority of artists. That's a pretty open market right now, for polys especially.

 

 

I'd love to see a tabletop module version.

Edited July 30, 2016 by RSP

  On 7/30/2016 at 6:44 PM, BCM said:

lol

 

don't think anyone's doubting this will be good value for what it is, but when you start getting into the £1500 - £2000 price range it kind of makes you stop and seriously consider your options...that's a big chunk of change to spend on a synth for most people, very good value though it may be. if you're gonna drop a couple of grand on a synth, then would most people go for a name they trust rather than Behringer? people might think "well I could save £700 (or whatever) by buying Behringer, but fuck it, I'm going to be spending thousands here anyway, may as well go for the Oberheim" - trusted band, proven architecture etc

 

 

On the other hand, if they overshoot the sweet spot and nobody buys them, they could end up pretty cheap in about a year.

Repost of a repost of a post Uli made on Gearslutz a few days ago. If we're lucky, "engineering masterpiece" means "we put two Jupiter 6's and a digital effects unit in one box with a three figure price tag."

 

 

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Uli Behringer wrote:I like to clarify that these are 12 voices with each 2 DCO's and 2 LFO’s. The oscillators are DCO’s, which means these are digitally controlled analog oscillators; so the synth has 24 full-blown analog oscillators.

Once we reveal the board assembly images, you will discover the thousands of discrete components that went into this design and the extreme density of the multi-layer boards. This synth is a true engineering masterpiece from our Midas engineers, a company that is famous for making the world’s best mixing consoles.

A little side story: We specifically launched the 4th video on a Sunday morning UK time as some of our engineers wanted their kids to participate in the rollout of this important video. Over the past years, many of these people have heavily sacrificed family time for this synthesizer. I am sure there are some proud kids and dads out there.

Thank you all for making this such a wonderful journey. I can honestly say that for me this is the most enjoyable product since I started the company nearly 30 years ago.

Oh, and one more thing – more to come

Uli

Edited July 30, 2016 by RSP

"Unconfirmed source" says €500 according to ask.audio but I'll believe that when I see it.

that would be amazing

  On 7/30/2016 at 8:46 PM, lala said:

that would be amazing

  On 7/30/2016 at 9:50 PM, BCM said:

 

  On 7/30/2016 at 8:46 PM, lala said:

that would be sold at a loss to the company

 

  On 7/30/2016 at 10:52 PM, auxien said:

 

  On 7/30/2016 at 9:50 PM, BCM said:

 

  On 7/30/2016 at 8:46 PM, lala said:

that would be sold at a loss to the company

 

 

 

This.

 

I bet it costs them $150-$250 to manufacture one of these, although owning their own factory would help.  I'm hoping for $800, expecting more like $1200, and probably wouldn't be interested if it's above $1400, considering what you could get for that.  Hell, for $1400 you could easily get half a dozen Bass Station Racks and use its chaining feature to link them into a single 6 voice/12 oscillator/6 part multitimbral poly with CV and audio i/o and one-knob-per-function per voice.  Not the same thing of course, but I bet it would sound pretty good.

Edited July 31, 2016 by RSP