Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

The stupidest idea of the so-called intelligent species, is going to Mars. Why is that barren planet so attractive to people (beside stroking the tech-science cock) is beyond me. Instead of facing responsibility for fucking around with this planet, humanity shows its lack of development as a species.

  On 10/9/2018 at 4:54 PM, ambermonk said:

Well, if there's any good news to be had in this malaise, seems like the transition from Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day is becoming more official. More of us are acknowledging what an asshole Columbus was.

 

Maybe it's foolish for me to clutch onto naive optimism in these times, but any inkling of hope I have left for this country's direction right now lies with the midterms. Assuming we have safeguards against tampering by the GOP and accomplices.

 

Alaska has a future but we have to be proactive to shape it, otherwise it'll just get even more fucked over like the lower 48. I love this place. Needs to come to terms with the decline of the american empire and the socioeconomic norms of the last era and get some solidarity or solidarities within. If the kind of climate-based migration patterns come true in the next handful of decades, this place will be subject to yet another land-grabbing rush that will flood the place with imperialists. We need to figure out now how to shape the development of this place before it falls completely victim to the fucking leeches.

  On 10/9/2018 at 6:13 PM, Godwin Austen said:

The stupidest idea of the so-called intelligent species, is going to Mars. Why is that barren planet so attractive to people (beside stroking the tech-science cock) is beyond me. Instead of facing responsibility for fucking around with this planet, humanity shows its lack of development as a species.

i guess partially the same reasons that people before us would leave their homelands for the unknown..

 

edit: I also remember reading that one of the reasons neanderthals went extinct and we didn't was that innate need to leave the current homeland in humans. since findings show that neanderthal fossils seem to be located to the same places during the ice age, while we went all over the place during the same period (i think the article was on scientific american)..

 

obviously leaving the planet is a different thing, I'm just not sure is a marker of lack of development as a species.. just another dumb thing we do that might have worked in the past

Edited October 9, 2018 by MIXL2

I know it's more likely that the federal government of the united states will just continue to use this land as a strategic military location and the fuckwits will continue to whore out the natural resources of the state to multinational companies, but out of almost all the places I know, Alaska seems most promising for actually thriving and prospering for at least this century while the rest of the world tries to handle burning and drowning. But as a state we are nothing but another colony, another branch of the greedy octopus. This place should move, culturally, toward rejecting any more factors of colonization. We need to collectively reject it. Probably slowly. low-key. not upsetting anyone too much. but do it in local legislature while the population is still so small. Because Fuck The Union. Fuck the USA. Fuck the freedom to rape and exploit the land and people that is so readily embraced, religiously, in the american status quo. Fuck the colonizers, fuck the empire. Fuck the U.S.A. Enjoy a protracted, pathetic self-wrought destruction.

  On 10/9/2018 at 6:33 PM, Salvatorin said:

 

  On 10/9/2018 at 4:54 PM, ambermonk said:

Well, if there's any good news to be had in this malaise, seems like the transition from Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day is becoming more official. More of us are acknowledging what an asshole Columbus was.

 

Maybe it's foolish for me to clutch onto naive optimism in these times, but any inkling of hope I have left for this country's direction right now lies with the midterms. Assuming we have safeguards against tampering by the GOP and accomplices.

 

Alaska has a future but we have to be proactive to shape it, otherwise it'll just get even more fucked over like the lower 48. I love this place. Needs to come to terms with the decline of the american empire and the socioeconomic norms of the last era and get some solidarity or solidarities within. If the kind of climate-based migration patterns come true in the next handful of decades, this place will be subject to yet another land-grabbing rush that will flood the place with imperialists. We need to figure out now how to shape the development of this place before it falls completely victim to the fucking leeches.

 

 

 

climate in Alaska is pretty complex. the permafrost thawing is going to be catastrophic. so many things will come out of that. the same thing is happening in russia and it's pretty wild. giant sinkholes as the permafrost melts. all the frozen lifeforms decaying and releasing gas just compounding the problem. and then there's the huge pockets of methane. 

 

 

 

 

anyway... all the other stuff.. the other problems.. the culture stuff.. is just going to make fixing the real problems harder. 

last page or so of this thread=

  On 10/9/2018 at 7:31 PM, auxien said:

last page or so of this thread=

 

 

it happens

i wonder what kanye and trump are gonna have for lunch today

  On 10/9/2018 at 10:30 PM, Ivan Ooze said:

i wonder what kanye and trump are gonna have for lunch today

 

meta-irony and post-truth well done with ketchup

  On 10/9/2018 at 7:53 PM, ignatius said:

 

  On 10/9/2018 at 7:31 PM, auxien said:

last page or so of this thread=

 

 

it happens

 

 

  On 10/9/2018 at 7:16 PM, ignatius said:

the permafrost thawing

Edited October 10, 2018 by very honest

  On 10/9/2018 at 7:16 PM, ignatius said:

climate in Alaska is pretty complex. the permafrost thawing is going to be catastrophic. so many things will come out of that. the same thing is happening in russia and it's pretty wild. giant sinkholes as the permafrost melts. all the frozen lifeforms decaying and releasing gas just compounding the problem. and then there's the huge pockets of methane. 

 

 

Interesting stuff... damn, it'll be crazy if they figure out how to splice the mammoth back into existence.

 

  On 10/9/2018 at 7:16 PM, ignatius said:

anyway... all the other stuff.. the other problems.. the culture stuff.. is just going to make fixing the real problems harder.

Yeah, it kind of makes 90% of the other political bickering seem like one big bikeshedding waste of time.

  On 10/9/2018 at 6:33 PM, Salvatorin said:

 

  On 10/9/2018 at 4:54 PM, ambermonk said:

Well, if there's any good news to be had in this malaise, seems like the transition from Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day is becoming more official. More of us are acknowledging what an asshole Columbus was.

 

Maybe it's foolish for me to clutch onto naive optimism in these times, but any inkling of hope I have left for this country's direction right now lies with the midterms. Assuming we have safeguards against tampering by the GOP and accomplices.

 

Alaska has a future but we have to be proactive to shape it, otherwise it'll just get even more fucked over like the lower 48. I love this place. Needs to come to terms with the decline of the american empire and the socioeconomic norms of the last era and get some solidarity or solidarities within. If the kind of climate-based migration patterns come true in the next handful of decades, this place will be subject to yet another land-grabbing rush that will flood the place with imperialists. We need to figure out now how to shape the development of this place before it falls completely victim to the fucking leeches.

 

 

Wow that's a really good point.  On that note I need to go buy up land in Alaska.  Haha just kidding.  Not really though.

Lets be clear though...Trump didn't start this...he's just the icing on the industrial poison cake

 

Every single president before him has enabled this climate catastrophe...the U.S was built from day one on fake moral foundations and greed.

  On 10/9/2018 at 6:33 PM, Salvatorin said:

 

  On 10/9/2018 at 4:54 PM, ambermonk said:

Well, if there's any good news to be had in this malaise, seems like the transition from Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day is becoming more official. More of us are acknowledging what an asshole Columbus was.

 

Maybe it's foolish for me to clutch onto naive optimism in these times, but any inkling of hope I have left for this country's direction right now lies with the midterms. Assuming we have safeguards against tampering by the GOP and accomplices.

 

Alaska has a future but we have to be proactive to shape it, otherwise it'll just get even more fucked over like the lower 48. I love this place. Needs to come to terms with the decline of the american empire and the socioeconomic norms of the last era and get some solidarity or solidarities within. If the kind of climate-based migration patterns come true in the next handful of decades, this place will be subject to yet another land-grabbing rush that will flood the place with imperialists. We need to figure out now how to shape the development of this place before it falls completely victim to the fucking leeches.

 

The Alaska Permanent Fund seems like a good start. I read about it a few years back in a book called America Beyond Capitalism by Gar Alperovitz, which was really just a collection of mostly already existing policies and institutions, occasionally nonpartisan, that could be used/modified/expanded to create a more equal economic balance. I was following The Next System Project and the P2P, and even a little bit of left-libertarian stuff for a while, but to be quite honest, I've lost quite a bit of hope for collective organization/solidarity of humanity over the last half-decade.

 

Hyperlinked them to anybody who's interested though.

  On 10/10/2018 at 4:40 AM, bendish said:

Lets be clear though...Trump didn't start this...he's just the icing on the industrial poison cake

 

Every single president before him has enabled this climate catastrophe...the U.S was built from day one on fake moral foundations and greed.

Yup. Unbridled capitalism will rape the earth, we're proving that for future generations to see.

 

And to take that further to places you probably didn't intend, he didn't start anything. He's just the most obvious symptom (as many ITT have pointed out). Hyper-partisan tribal bullshit has been growing in the parties for decades. 

Question is how long will it take for the U.S to change both culturally and institutionally? 

I dunno if it really matters. The rest of the globe is already sold on the of culture-ideology of consumerism that mostly debuted in the USA. There's so much inertia to it that I can't see anything in the near future for the earth other than the constantly escalating slow burn level of simultaneous normalcy and crisis. 

  On 10/10/2018 at 5:41 AM, Salvatorin said:

I dunno if it really matters. The rest of the globe is already sold on the of culture-ideology of consumerism that mostly debuted in the USA. There's so much inertia to it that I can't see anything in the near future for the earth other than the constantly escalating slow burn level of simultaneous normalcy and crisis.

 

what about the social democracies currently instated in scandinavian countries?

 

edit: altough when it comes to the environment I think your point is correct.. I lived in Jakarta (Indonesia) for half a year or so and the sheer amount of pollution and poverty is unbelivable.. 10M people stuck in the worst form of capitalism imaginable (and that's just one city! compare to 10M people living in Sweden.. )

Edited October 10, 2018 by MIXL2

Matt Bruenig writes a lot of great stuff about the scando set up

 

http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/

  On 10/10/2018 at 9:39 AM, bendish said:

Matt Bruenig writes a lot of great stuff about the scando set up

 

http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/

I think that's all ok, just to note that working social democracies seem all things considered to be more focused towards providing basic needs for everyone (healthcare, education, jobs etc) and less so towards abolishing free markets and abolishing the private sector (altough for the US and other countries to move towards that I suppose some of that is nessesary..) Edited October 10, 2018 by MIXL2

  On 10/10/2018 at 10:15 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 10/10/2018 at 9:39 AM, bendish said:

Matt Bruenig writes a lot of great stuff about the scando set up

 

http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/

I think that's all ok, just to note that working social democracies seem all things considered to be more focused towards providing basic needs for everyone (healthcare, education, jobs etc) and less so towards abolishing free markets and abolishing the private sector (altough for the US and other countries to move towards that I suppose some of that is nessesary..)

 

I find it interesting how the Nordic countries maintain that balance between markets and welfare. Is there a tension that creates that balance or is more of an understanding? 

 

The dialogue in the US is so warped, basically from center-right to far right, if something is remotely collectivist or government oriented it's labeled commie/socialist (unless it's military spending), like commerce is so desperate to keep any threats away from the bottom line that there has to be this manufactured narrative. (probably not saying anything new here or even coming close to capturing the full picture)

  On 10/10/2018 at 10:15 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 10/10/2018 at 9:39 AM, bendish said:

Matt Bruenig writes a lot of great stuff about the scando set up

 

http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/

I think that's all ok, just to note that working social democracies seem all things considered to be more focused towards providing basic needs for everyone (healthcare, education, jobs etc) and less so towards abolishing free markets and abolishing the private sector (altough for the US and other countries to move towards that I suppose some of that is nessesary..)

Guess you have to start somewhere.