Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

  On 2/8/2016 at 8:39 PM, caze said:

 

  On 2/8/2016 at 8:33 PM, Gocab said:

No, but way more socialist than anyone from the democratic party could ever hope to be.

only in terms of certain things, they're probably more principled free marketeers than anyone in america, when it comes to fiscal policy and such.

 

it also helps that they're small countries, socialism only gets worse the larger scales it gets deployed at.

That last part is very very important. America is simply too large, varied, and sprawling to transition to a type of government that requires all the states to work easily together. The simple structure of the USA makes it nigh impossible to move away from capitalism.

sent from a tippytappy flatpad

  On 2/9/2016 at 1:04 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 2/9/2016 at 12:46 AM, caze said:

in a socialist system everyone's computers would restart at the same time, and it would take three hours.

Why do you think that?

 

wut?

  On 2/9/2016 at 2:02 AM, auxien said:

That last part is very very important. America is simply too large, varied, and sprawling to transition to a type of government that requires all the states to work easily together. The simple structure of the USA makes it nigh impossible to move away from capitalism.

though it wouldn't preclude individual states from becoming more socialist, within certain limits.

also, think about how near impossible it's been for Obama to try and get anything done, imagine the size of the battle Comrade Sanders would have on his hands to achieve his loftier goals. though maybe the well has been poisoned to such a degree now that it doesn't even matter what their policies are, the Republicans are just going to be utter cunts to whichever democrat gets in there.

  On 2/9/2016 at 2:43 AM, caze said:

 

  On 2/9/2016 at 2:02 AM, auxien said:

That last part is very very important. America is simply too large, varied, and sprawling to transition to a type of government that requires all the states to work easily together. The simple structure of the USA makes it nigh impossible to move away from capitalism.

 

though it wouldn't preclude individual states from becoming more socialist, within certain limits.

 

also, think about how near impossible it's been for Obama to try and get anything done, imagine the size of the battle Comrade Sanders would have on his hands to achieve his loftier goals. though maybe the well has been poisoned to such a degree now that it doesn't even matter what their policies are, the Republicans are just going to be utter cunts to whichever democrat gets in there.

Some individual states have certainly leaned more towards socialist policies than others, and some of these bleed up to the federal level to be used nationwide (the push for reigning in the medical fields with the ACA is weak, but it's a step towards heavier regulation/takeover which will be necessary sooner rather than later). Obama and the dems in the power have obviously run into issues pushing some things forward, but Obama has gotten a surprising amount done thus far, despite those setbacks. Sanders would be in for a hell of a fight from not just the Republicans but some democrats (I think he'd find a few Republican friends come out of the woodwork, too); from what I understand there's a fair amount of center-ish Dems from southern/midwestern states that wouldn't support everything Sanders suggested. Hell, there's a lot of people in general that wouldn't buy everything he's selling (myself included, and I'm a supporter of him). But have a very-left president would sway the country more that direction, which is a good thing.

But yeah, there's a LOT of Republicans that will just be cunts to any democrat in the limelight; those same Rs would also take a cheap shot at any other party-member they thought they could get away with. It's pretty wild on that side of the aisle right now. A year ago I honestly thought the Republicans had the next presidency on lock down after how left Obama has pushed and how sneaky the Rs have been with their tactics and manipulations, but they lost hold of it all and now it's just a broken aquarium spilling all the stinking fish out to the floor to flop and gasp for anyone to save them. Unless the Republican elites (re: not actual Republican politicians, but the moneybags in the background) have some big tricks up their sleeves (they've got plenty of shit to throw at Clinton, at least) they're going to lose the presidency.

  On 2/9/2016 at 5:04 AM, auxien said:

now it's just a broken aquarium spilling all the stinking fish out to the floor to flop and gasp for anyone to save them.

Great image.

  On 2/9/2016 at 1:32 AM, chenGOD said:

Ugh the literalism is strong in this one.

If you want to move away from capitalism, you have to move to that one country where you can't buy a house, but the socialist government gives you one of theirs.

bernie wants to address the income inequality and money in politics which are two of the major and fundamental problems.

probably 3 supreme court judges will be chosen by the next president and bernie said he will only select those who will overturn citizens united.

the republicans are so bought and paid for by big oil that they're allowing the climate to be destabilized. this may go down as the most wreckless act of man in history.

people will try to talk shit about socialism but social security is socialist and that's a resounding success. same for medicare and medicaid. the 2 car garage golden age of america was helped along by a 90% tax on the rich. capitalism isnt magic, wealth inequality is accelerating at an alarming rate. 62 people have as much wealth as half the world's population, and that's down from 300 people a couple years ago. when you're rich you pay people to turn your money into more money. there is only so much value in the world and its gravitating upward.

obama has been walking on egg shells for numerous reasons but bernie doesnt give a fuck, he will humiliate the republicans, call them out and not let them get away with their shit

he also might bring enough people out to the voting booths to reduce the amount of republicans in congress! as much as i like to let them make fools of themselves to hasten their complete destruction, it would be nice to not have their gerrymandered majority

I'm technically one of Bernie's campaign donors. On a weekly basis, I should add. Nothing Clinton or any of the GOP candidates say or do will convince me otherwise.

Looks like Sanders should do well in New Hampshire.

I liked New Hampshire.

  On 2/10/2016 at 12:32 AM, chenGOD said:

Looks like Sanders should do well in New Hampshire.

btw: can rubio be a bigger loser? he's now just barely doing better than bush. even kasich and christie are beating him now

only 1% of votes in

I'm just perpetually loling at Cruz. his campaign now includes spamming people's mailboxes with what looks like a check that turns out to be a fake check written to himself. wtf.

I gather other GOP candidates have done this sort of thing before. unreal. would not fly anywhere else.

Holy shit that fake check thing is insane.

  On 2/10/2016 at 2:13 AM, usagi said:

I'm just perpetually loling at Cruz. his campaign now includes spamming people's mailboxes with what looks like a check that turns out to be a fake check written to himself. wtf.

 

I gather other GOP candidates have done this sort of thing before. unreal. would not fly anywhere else.

flol that's pretty fucked

Just when I think Cruz couldn't disgust me more, holy fuck.

Also I hope the Soy Ink people sue him for his fugly logo

  On 2/10/2016 at 1:20 AM, Nebraska said:

 

  On 2/10/2016 at 12:32 AM, chenGOD said:

Looks like Sanders should do well in New Hampshire.

 

 

btw: can rubio be a bigger loser? he's now just barely doing better than bush. even kasich and christie are beating him now

 

Kasich at 16%, got second. Probably only going to happen in NH but that's awesome. He's the only moderate and undoubtedly normal guy in the GOP running.

Bush, Cruz and Rubio all basically tied for 3rd at 11%, though technically Cruz got 3rd, but Bush is ahead of Rubio and at 4th.

a 20 point win is pretty good for a guy who wasn't even a member of the Democrat Party until recently.

Something tells me Sanders' campaign is a direct response to the economic dive in fall 2008, and the subsequent OWS movement three years later. I'll bet he observed quietly and planned while it all unfolded.

If it weren't for today's social media (FB in particular), the odds probably wouldn't have been as much in his favor as they are now.

  On 2/10/2016 at 7:44 AM, ambermonk said:

Something tells me Sanders' campaign is a direct response to the economic dive in fall 2008, and the subsequent OWS movement three years later. I'll bet he observed quietly and planned while it all unfolded.

 

If it weren't for today's social media (FB in particular), the odds probably wouldn't have been as much in his favor as they are now.

Well the cultural aspect has been brewing for some time. And Sanders has had front row seats for a big chunk of that timeline. You could argue it goes back to discontent with the Reagan administration and even further. But, yeah, social media is definitely a big catalyst to the exposure and financing that made his campaign possible.

  On 2/10/2016 at 7:44 AM, ambermonk said:

Something tells me Sanders' campaign is a direct response to the economic dive in fall 2008, and the subsequent OWS movement three years later. I'll bet he observed quietly and planned while it all unfolded.

 

If it weren't for today's social media (FB in particular), the odds probably wouldn't have been as much in his favor as they are now.

Or, to quote the other Clinton - "It's the economy, stupid"

  On 2/10/2016 at 4:36 AM, joshuatx said:

Kasich at 16%, got second. Probably only going to happen in NH but that's awesome. He's the only moderate and undoubtedly normal guy in the GOP running.

 

Bush, Cruz and Rubio all basically tied for 3rd at 11%, though technically Cruz got 3rd, but Bush is ahead of Rubio and at 4th.

 

yeah i'm somewhat glad for kasich especially because he gets no respect in the GOP. there was one debate where they even forgot to introduce him.

rubio on the other hand is self destructing in front of our eyes

https://youtu.be/xBX0Z1MkDyQ

christie out now, ran out of money.

  On 2/10/2016 at 5:48 PM, Nebraska said:

 

  On 2/10/2016 at 4:36 AM, joshuatx said:

Kasich at 16%, got second. Probably only going to happen in NH but that's awesome. He's the only moderate and undoubtedly normal guy in the GOP running.

 

Bush, Cruz and Rubio all basically tied for 3rd at 11%, though technically Cruz got 3rd, but Bush is ahead of Rubio and at 4th.

 

 

yeah i'm somewhat glad for kasich especially because he gets no respect in the GOP. there was one debate where they even forgot to introduce him.

 

rubio on the other hand is self destructing in front of our eyes

 

https://youtu.be/xBX0Z1MkDyQ

 

Republicans are obsessed with throat rape.

  On 2/10/2016 at 5:57 PM, caze said:

christie out now, ran out of money.

i wonder how marco rubio feels about this