2020 US Election

  On 2/23/2020 at 6:35 AM, goDel said:

Here's Beau again, scoring some good points on the Bernie-russia issue. Or rather, doing something which you'd expect the media would do: making sense

 

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very sensible, imagine someone on mainstream media saying this

^i like this guy, i've met a couple dudes like him over the years. 

i think he's partly/mostly correct, but i would argue (without little-to-no basis in fact, mind you) that he's underestimating the reasons that the Russian intelligence operations are choosing to bolster Bernie/Trump. the foreign policy stuff is certainly a large part of that calculus, but i assume that they're also trying to sow division in any way shape or form here in the States. Trump and Bernie are the two most 'extreme' viable candidates, for domestic issues as well as foreign policy issues, so no matter the outcome of either's foreign policy decisions (which are almost always going to be partly-to-heavily tempered by military concerns, mind you, despite either one's stated goals). and ultimately a less stable America domestically is likely a good thing for Russia.

Part of it is that Russia wants to sell their oil and gas to the Europeans but the US sanctions European companies for trade with Russia. The reason is this dirty environmentally irresponsible fracking gas the US wants to force their allies to buy. Maybe the Russians would prefer if the Americans wouldn't interfere in their trade with Europe. I guess a progressive US president would probably make it more likely that some of the sanctions, especially those that aren't applied to Russia directly but to US allies, will be lessened which would help Russia. Keyword: Nord Stream 2

light sunday coffee reading.. Biden insult bot. 

https://twitter.com/BidenInsultBot?s=20

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:53 PM, goDel said:

On a tangent, I'm becoming a fan of this guy here. A "looks like and sounds like white trash, but got a mind of his own"-guy. He used to be a journalist covering international affairs, btw. In case you were wondering. He's no slouch.

I think he's wearing the hillbilly style in a kind of hipster way, smells like middle class to me, not "white trash" (pretty evil term if u ask me). I binged a fair share of his videos after you recommended him. Not a stupid guy but somehow he discusses political topics in a kind of naive/American way. Not as insightful as I hoped it to be

He’s not wrong, but he takes a long time to get to his rather shallow and obvious points.

I suspect the trick is he’s play-acting a hillbilly in the hope that this will attract hillbilly viewers so he can persuade them to vote for someone besides Trump.

Since hillbillies aren’t stupid, this plan will fail.

He’s not a hillbilly. He’s probably middle management for a company that sells farm equipment. 

Yeah, probably right. We Europeans often have the arrogance of thinking we understand what Americans are on about. But we don't. Americans are an enigma. I hope they won't shoot me

All the candidates are shit imo, sorry lads but I think Trump has his second term in the bag

  On 2/23/2020 at 10:59 PM, thumbass said:

All the candidates are shit imo, sorry lads but I think Trump has his second term in the bag

I think it's pretty normal that presidents get a second term. It's more the rule than the exception. Still, I think that when it comes to Trump, laws of nature are reversed. I can very well imagine that another candidate wins. The fact alone that the unpopular Hilary Clinton could win the popular vote against Trump shows that a more popular candidate can easily win against Trump. I just hope that the DNC has some integrity

Spoiler:

It doesn't

the dude in that video on the last page is an anarchist and ex-military guy, here's another good vid of his, not sure if it has been posted

https://theopinionator.com/beau-of-the-fifth-column-interesting-perspective-crazy-times/

His real name is Justin King. He’s what’s called an adversarial journalist. He’s also an ex-private military contractor. He comes from a military family, born in Japan. He’s spent time in jail as a result of some of his military “work.”

• He’s an activist and an anarchist. He’s left-leaning (I think) but as opposed to many left-leaning activists of the Democratic Socialist ilk who are agitating for more government involvement and caretaking, he’s looking for less. He’s more of a survivalist.

too late to edit above: here's him doing a meta video from the link above:

  On 2/22/2020 at 4:28 AM, Candiru said:

to rebuild the middle class, and give the working class more opportunities. Without saying socialism

Workplace democracy. That’s how he (or anyone with “socialist” points in their platform) should be branding it. 

  On 2/24/2020 at 4:32 AM, chenGOD said:

Workplace democracy. That’s how he (or anyone with “socialist” points in their platform) should be branding it. 

That is quite literally how he's putting it:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/workplace-democracy/

  On 2/21/2020 at 2:47 AM, Nebraska said:

as for goddesses stein and williamson: i can't imagine two people who's side i'd wanna be on right about now 

Yeah all that is great, but that’s not branding. The idea that people have in their head when they hear the words “Bernie Sanders” is “socialism”, not “workplace democracy”. 
 

Also, give it a rest with the whole “seizing the means of production” schtick. It’s almost (not quite) as tiring as the “men are oppressed in America” ideas you fling about from time to time. 

  On 2/24/2020 at 5:10 AM, chenGOD said:

Yeah all that is great, but that’s not branding. The idea that people have in their head when they hear the words “Bernie Sanders” is “socialism”, not “workplace democracy”. 
 

Also, give it a rest with the whole “seizing the means of production” schtick. It’s almost (not quite) as tiring as the “men are oppressed in America” ideas you fling about from time to time. 

the topic is socialism and you want to avoid talking about worker control of the means of production? not sure how that works

and of course men are oppressed, everyone not in the 1%, nationally and globally, are oppressed by the state and capitalists

  On 2/24/2020 at 7:02 AM, Rubin Farr said:

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  On 2/23/2020 at 10:33 PM, Candiru said:

He’s not a hillbilly. He’s probably middle management for a company that sells farm equipment. 

Or a New York hipster working for an ad agency.

  On 2/24/2020 at 5:46 AM, Zeffolia said:

the topic is socialism and you want to avoid talking about worker control of the means of production? not sure how that works

The topic is democratic socialism you utter bellend. Also, the vast majority of workers I've ever met should be nowhere near controlling the means of production.

  On 2/24/2020 at 5:54 AM, Zeffolia said:

and of course men are oppressed, everyone not in the 1%, nationally and globally, are oppressed by the state and capitalists

Good lord. so if you're in the top 1% of the rest of the world, you're oppressed? Here's the deal - beyond some basic human rights, you're not owed anything. Not having a swimming pool doesn't make you oppressed. Breathing shitty air doesn't make you oppressed.