UK Crimbo Election 2019 - UPDATED WITH POLLOL

We did vote labour down south tho so we're less cunty than most of country. 

Do you speak Welsh?

  On 12/13/2019 at 3:37 PM, darreichungsform said:

Do you speak Welsh?

Lol nah. My grand parents did and my daughter does but for about two generations it was wiped out for the most part in the south.

Welsh knot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not

  On 12/13/2019 at 3:38 PM, donquixote said:

Lol nah. My grand parents did and my daughter does but for about two generations it was wiped out for the most part in the south.

Good that it gets revived, would be a shame if this language died out

lmao at all the tears in this thread, I thought IDM bois were meant to be hard lads but turns out you're mostly soft cunts

Hey look! Aleczandah dropping a fart!

EWWWWW!

/fart joke

  On 12/13/2019 at 3:51 PM, Aleczandah the Great said:

lmao at all the tears in this thread, I thought IDM bois were meant to be hard lads but turns out you're mostly soft cunts

damn right. where am i gonna order my records from now?

Welsh is strong in Gwynedd and Ceredigion (i.e. where Plaid gets votes) which are more sedentary and rural. In the South there's a much more mobile and better connected population, so there's a lack of transmission between generations. It's slowly coming back though thanks to more emphasis in schools

Lovely language, I don't speak it but am very familiar with it. I grew up right on the border, English village with a Welsh name, if I lived two fields over I would have learnt Welsh at school

  On 12/13/2019 at 7:42 AM, azatoth said:

could someone explain what "centrist" policy means? to me it sounds like keeping the status quo.

moar failing neoliberalism plz

in the US it's straight-up enlightened centrism - i.e. right-wing complicity 

i believe the US version of liberalism is different to the european version....

to a certain degree centrist has nothing to do with an ideology. like caze argued, right or left is irrelevant. centrist policies come from having a pragmatic approach: find out what works the best, given the circumstances. (that could change over time, btw) without a single ideology guiding towards a specific direction. or representing a specific part of the population. done right, it's progressive. meaning, with an open eye to improve things. not to keep things as they are.

generally speaking, people have a hard time determining where (progressive) centrist parties come from. as the first thing people try to do is to put political parties in a box. left, right, etc. because that's how politics usually makes sense. a party usually represents a specific group of people with specific needs. Or, a specific philosophy about how to run a country. centrist parties are basically all over the place and not easily boxed. and therefore, often misunderstood.

it takes a pragmatic mind to understand one, if you will.

perhaps eclectic is a better term?

  On 12/13/2019 at 4:12 PM, joshuatxuk said:

moar failing neoliberalism plz

in the US it's straight-up enlightened centrism - i.e. right-wing complicity 

That reddit group is excellent, thanks

  On 12/13/2019 at 4:33 PM, goDel said:

i believe the US version of liberalism is different to the european version....

to a certain degree centrist has nothing to do with an ideology. like caze argued, right or left is irrelevant. centrist policies come from having a pragmatic approach: find out what works the best, given the circumstances. (that could change over time, btw) without a single ideology guiding towards a specific direction. or representing a specific part of the population. done right, it's progressive. meaning, with an open eye to improve things. not to keep things as they are.

generally speaking, people have a hard time determining where (progressive) centrist parties come from. as the first thing people try to do is to put political parties in a box. left, right, etc. because that's how politics usually makes sense. a party usually represents a specific group of people with specific needs. Or, a specific philosophy about how to run a country. centrist parties are basically all over the place and not easily boxed. and therefore, often misunderstood.

it takes a pragmatic mind to understand one, if you will.

perhaps eclectic is a better term?

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Which party wouldn't describe itself as pragmatic? Any party from left to right would define itself like you just defined "centrist". It's basically a platitude

no, most parties have a clear starting point. greens focus on the green stuff. the religious conservative parties have a hard time with stuff like abortion and euthanasia. parties which focus on supporting businesses. and the socialist parties focus on the rights of workers, for instance. there's always a specific ideology, philosophy, or religion guiding their priorities and policies.

In the end I voted Lib Dem, but it was a massive Tory majority in my boro' once again.

Still, I'll take a majority government over a hung one any day.  Lets roll with it and see what happens.  Plenty of talk of unity and the NHS today - lets see if BoJo can walk the walk.

  On 12/13/2019 at 4:48 PM, goDel said:

no, most parties have a clear starting point. greens focus on the green stuff. the religious conservative parties have a hard time with stuff like abortion and euthanasia. parties which focus on supporting businesses. and the socialist parties focus on the rights of workers, for instance. there's always a specific ideology, philosophy, or religion guiding their priorities and policies.

What does the youth in Asia have to do with all of this?

Sorry for the amount of posts and double posts. But I think for what you described, goDel, a better term than "centrist party" is "catch-all party"

  On 12/13/2019 at 2:07 PM, donquixote said:

Stuck in my head....

 

 

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I'm partial to this one lately.

  On 12/13/2019 at 4:33 PM, goDel said:

i believe the US version of liberalism is different to the european version....

to a certain degree centrist has nothing to do with an ideology. like caze argued, right or left is irrelevant. centrist policies come from having a pragmatic approach: find out what works the best, given the circumstances. (that could change over time, btw) without a single ideology guiding towards a specific direction. or representing a specific part of the population. done right, it's progressive. meaning, with an open eye to improve things. not to keep things as they are.

generally speaking, people have a hard time determining where (progressive) centrist parties come from. as the first thing people try to do is to put political parties in a box. left, right, etc. because that's how politics usually makes sense. a party usually represents a specific group of people with specific needs. Or, a specific philosophy about how to run a country. centrist parties are basically all over the place and not easily boxed. and therefore, often misunderstood.

it takes a pragmatic mind to understand one, if you will.

perhaps eclectic is a better term?

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It's hard not to elaborate and tangent off on this topic but I would say broadly speaking centrism / moderate positions are fine as a pragmatic and progressive compromise but not as a de-facto or default position. Otherwise you get what we've seen in the US and elsewhere: shifting overton windows and late-stage capitalism because of failing and diluted long-term policies.

The abandonment of true conservatism (i.e. sticking with what works, cautious policy changes) versus progressive movements (systematic changes in social and economic policies) in tern renders centrism as a false and delusional choice in many scenarios. 

Nice to see Corbyn continuing his stance of remaining neutral, and not deciding if he will stand down yet.

A good leader (like Jo Swinson) would have stepped down already.  I feel for her, actually.

I think Corbyn would lead the country into greater ruin than Boris could do.

Well we managed to flip to labour here in putney, pity about the rest of the entire fucking cuntry

Anyone hoping for Kier Starmer or Angela Rayner as new leader? 

  On 12/13/2019 at 4:58 PM, TubularCorporation said:

I'm partial to this one lately.

 

 

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