On 8/11/2021 at 7:02 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

>be teachers union

>behave like seperatist movement

>get treated like seperatist movement

>what? we're just a humble teachers union

Winnie the Pooh isn't gonna give you a reach around you know.

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:29 PM, chenGOD said:

Winnie the Pooh isn't gonna give you a reach around you know.

he's right though but yeah keep up the sinophobia

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:29 PM, chenGOD said:

Winnie the Pooh isn't gonna give you a reach around you know.

this is a really weird mix of reddit memes and homophobia

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:39 PM, milkface said:

he's right though but yeah keep up the sinophobia

lol since when is protesting acting like a separatist group?

sinophobia would be hating Chinese people and/or their culture. I have great appreciation for Chinese culture, they have provided some truly great philosophical thinkers (both religious and secular), an incredible array of art in various media, have wonderful food etc. Nothing against Chinese people at all.

The CCP on the other hand. Serious issues with them. But you do you.

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:47 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

homophobia

Do you guys seriously have a hard time with understanding the word "phobia"? Nothing in my quote indicates a fear or hatred of homosexuality.

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:24 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

Meng Wanzhou: The Royal Canadian Mounted Police subsequently arrested her on a provisional U.S. extradition request for fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud in order to circumvent U.S. sanctions against Iran

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meng_Wanzhou]

 

such absolute fraud, such a legitimate arrest, holy crap I can't believe a citizen of a sovereign nation disobeyed US sanctions /s

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my sarcasm detector sometimes doesn't work, so can't tell if you're in support of her or not? regardless, do you think it's right for China to detain Canadian citizens as tit-for-tat retaliation?

is this a subtle hint that china will be incorporating taiwan soon? 

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4266780

Chinese netizens try to pad their Olympic stats with Taiwan's medals

Chinese nationalists console themselves by including Taiwan's wins in fictitious medal table

  On 8/11/2021 at 8:12 PM, zero said:

my sarcasm detector sometimes doesn't work, so can't tell if you're in support of her or not? regardless, do you think it's right for China to detain Canadian citizens as tit-for-tat retaliation?

whats shes accused of doesnt sound convincingly any worse than what hes accused of. and personal friends claiming innocence doesn't hold much weight

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:49 PM, chenGOD said:

lol since when is protesting acting like a separatist group?

sinophobia would be hating Chinese people and/or their culture. I have great appreciation for Chinese culture, they have provided some truly great philosophical thinkers (both religious and secular), an incredible array of art in various media, have wonderful food etc. Nothing against Chinese people at all.

The CCP on the other hand. Serious issues with them. But you do you.

 

Do you guys seriously have a hard time with understanding the word "phobia"? Nothing in my quote indicates a fear or hatred of homosexuality.

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the CCP has over 80 million Chinese people in it. this "I hate the CCP not Chinese people" rhetoric seems like an excuse

  On 8/11/2021 at 5:27 PM, chenGOD said:

Yeah it's completely fucked. If Spav is a spy, I'm the other member of the Aphex Twins.

Saw it in the news this morning and thought of you too. Sucks, dude. Really fucking petty if them to do this.

if i end up working in a chinese glass shard sorting factory factory eventually i'm going to think of this thread every day

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:49 PM, chenGOD said:

lol since when is protesting acting like a separatist group?

sinophobia would be hating Chinese people and/or their culture. I have great appreciation for Chinese culture, they have provided some truly great philosophical thinkers (both religious and secular), an incredible array of art in various media, have wonderful food etc. Nothing against Chinese people at all.

The CCP on the other hand. Serious issues with them. But you do you.

 

Do you guys seriously have a hard time with understanding the word "phobia"? Nothing in my quote indicates a fear or hatred of homosexuality.

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bruv u just called a chinese man yellow lol

  On 8/11/2021 at 8:24 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

the CCP has over 80 million Chinese people in it. this "I hate the CCP not Chinese people" rhetoric seems like an excuse

Bloated communist aparatchik government. What you're saying is like you wouldn't be able to discern Stalin and stalinists from Russian people

  On 8/11/2021 at 7:49 PM, chenGOD said:

Do you guys seriously have a hard time with understanding the word "phobia"? Nothing in my quote indicates a fear or hatred of homosexuality.

>the leader of China is yellow!

>he's going to [perform homosexual act on you]!

"im not racist and im not homophobic"

top tier high amplitude low frequency abrupt attack low decay noise moment

  On 8/11/2021 at 9:02 PM, milkface said:

bruv u just called a chinese man yellow lol

bruv uh not at all? the whole origin of the winnie the pooh meme is cause the pose was remarkably similar. You're the one reading racist commentary into it. The meme was started by Chinese netizens fyi, so yeah, Je dit "non" à la racisme...

  On 8/11/2021 at 9:30 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

he's going to [perform homosexual act on you]

Yeah, is that bad? I'm just saying he's not going to give you a reach around, no matter how much you suck him off. The only negative thing is that you won't get the reciprocity you obviously crave. Nothing wrong with the act itself.

  On 8/11/2021 at 8:24 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

the CCP has over 80 million Chinese people in it. this "I hate the CCP not Chinese people" rhetoric seems like an excuse

95 million people (total number of CCP membership) is just under 7% of China's population. But you're right it was a lazy rhetorical flourish on my part. My issue lies with the Central Committee of the CCP. The top 200 or so leaders where the real power lies.

  On 8/11/2021 at 8:24 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

  On 8/11/2021 at 8:12 PM, zero said:

my sarcasm detector sometimes doesn't work, so can't tell if you're in support of her or not? regardless, do you think it's right for China to detain Canadian citizens as tit-for-tat retaliation?

whats shes accused of doesnt sound convincingly any worse than what hes accused of. and personal friends claiming innocence doesn't hold much weight

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The difference of course being that Meng's trial is being conducted in open court in a transparent manner, whereas both Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig have been tried in secret courts.

  On 8/11/2021 at 11:18 PM, chenGOD said:

Je dit "non" à la racisme...

the way you completely fucked up this sentence clearly indicates francophobia on your part. j'accuse!

  On 8/11/2021 at 11:39 PM, brian trageskin said:

the way you completely fucked up this sentence clearly indicates francophobia on your part. j'accuse!

Blame the Quebecois (and my poor French...hangs head in shame...)

  On 8/11/2021 at 11:18 PM, chenGOD said:

The difference of course being that Meng's trial is being conducted in open court in a transparent manner, whereas both Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig have been tried in secret courts.

Not a CCP apologist at all, but this is disingenuous. According to Wikipedia she was arrested for “fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud”. What “fraud” you ask? Well, “fraud in order to circumvent U.S. sanctions against Iran.”

That’s not “fraud”, that’s someone doing business in a place where it’s not illegal to do so according to the laws *of her own country*. Remember, folks, she is Chinese and in China US laws *do not apply*.

So transparency and open courts don’t matter, this is just a power play by the US and she should never have been arrested in the first place. Arresting your friend in retaliation was a dick move by the CCP but so was  sending out an extradition request for Meng by the US.

  On 8/12/2021 at 11:20 AM, rhmilo said:

Not a CCP apologist at all, but this is disingenuous. According to Wikipedia she was arrested for “fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud”. What “fraud” you ask? Well, “fraud in order to circumvent U.S. sanctions against Iran.”

That’s not “fraud”, that’s someone doing business in a place where it’s not illegal to do so according to the laws *of her own country*. Remember, folks, she is Chinese and in China US laws *do not apply*.

So transparency and open courts don’t matter, this is just a power play by the US and she should never have been arrested in the first place. Arresting your friend in retaliation was a dick move by the CCP but so was  sending out an extradition request for Meng by the US.

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May not be illegal to do business with Iran in China, but Huawei wanted to use the US banking system. Whether or not the sanctions against Iran are a valid tool of international diplomacy is not the question here (for the record, I don't think sanctions work at all, and should be scrapped and replaced with actual diplomacy).

This article is a good overview: https://biv.com/article/2021/08/updated-judge-meng-wanzhou-case-challenges-crowns-position-fraud

As usual Ian Young has done a great job of reporting on the issue (ignore the truncated headline - it is not representative of the balance presented in the article):

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3144741/meng-wanzhous-dishonesty-abundantly-clear-and-she-should-be

Now whether or not she actually committed fraud in order to maintain the use of the US banking system is a matter for the US courts. Canada is only involved because of the extradition request. However, at least everyone involved is very clear about what the accusation is, what the process is, etc. Transparency absolutely matters, it is one of the fundamental building blocks of a just society. So is rule of law, and Canada is simply following the rule of law with respect to the extradition hearing. So I think your argument that transparency and open courts don't matter is completely wrong, because otherwise the Canadian courts could simply change the proceedings as they see fit, to ensure the desired outcome is reached.

To be clear China didn't arrest the two Canadians in retaliation, but to use them as leverage in the extradition affair, after economic approaches to effect leverage failed to sway the Canadian government or Courts.

Although the formal extradition hearing began yesterday (scheduled to run until the 20th), I don't expect a ruling anytime soon, and if the ruling is unfavorable for Meng, I expect it to be appealed, and the case to drag on for another couple of years. Which sucks incredibly for my friend and Mr. Kovrig.

  On 8/12/2021 at 4:58 PM, chenGOD said:

I expect it to be appealed, and the case to drag on for another couple of years. Which sucks incredibly for my friend and Mr. Kovrig.

It also sucks for Ms Meng. She may have lied to HSBC so she could do business with both the US and Iran, but I don’t personally find that particularly problematic, morally speaking. I can assure you they’re not only selling Huawei phones in Iran - when I was there there were tons of stores selling iPhones as well so maybe the US would like to look into that as well?

Like your friend, she is a pawn being used to assert US dominance over the world - and Canada is the puppet.  

correct party!

  On 8/12/2021 at 5:08 PM, rhmilo said:

It also sucks for Ms Meng. She may have lied to HSBC so she could do business with both the US and Iran, but I don’t personally find that particularly problematic, morally speaking. I can assure you they’re not only selling Huawei phones in Iran - when I was there there were tons of stores selling iPhones as well so maybe the US would like to look into that as well?

Like your friend, she is a pawn being used to assert US dominance over the world - and Canada is the puppet.  

It's not for phones, it's certain computer equipment, probably that the US believes is dual-use. The Canadian Crown attorney even says that obviously some business transactions with Iran are completely legitimate, otherwise there would be no point in having the trial.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-sanctions-exclusive-idUSKBN20P1VA

And there's all kinds of weird fuckery going with Huawei and Skycom (the company Meng said Huawei has nothing to do with).

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2177512/huawei-and-skycom-firm-accused-breaching-us-sanctions-shared-web?module=perpetual_scroll&pgtype=article&campaign=2177512

Also, I have little sympathy for Ms Meng. SHe has been living in her giant fucking mansion in Vancouver (she owns two mansions in Vancouver, so communist), is allowed to go out and about, can travel within the province of BC, has been allowed family visitation during a global pandemic. Slightly different from the treatment my friend and Mr. Kovrig are receiving: https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/the-cruel-fate-of-michael-kovrig-and-michael-spavor-in-china/

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/03/29/2003754667

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/06/22/maggots-threats-abuse-new-report-details-conditions-in-chinese-mystery-jails-where-two-canadians-are-believed-to-be-held.html

  On 8/12/2021 at 5:36 PM, chenGOD said:

Also, I have little sympathy for Ms Meng. SHe has been living in her giant fucking mansion in Vancouver (she owns two mansions in Vancouver, so communist), is allowed to go out and about, can travel within the province of BC, has been allowed family visitation during a global pandemic. Slightly different from the treatment my friend and Mr. Kovrig are receiving: https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/the-cruel-fate-of-michael-kovrig-and-michael-spavor-in-china/

Looks like we have a new world class of the Chinese business people with more privileges than us worker bees. The capital-communist overclass, I guess. If Ayn Rand and Karl Marx would have a child, it'd be called Tsjaina.

  On 8/12/2021 at 4:58 PM, chenGOD said:

May not be illegal to do business with Iran in China, but Huawei wanted to use the US banking system. Whether or not the sanctions against Iran are a valid tool of international diplomacy is not the question here (for the record, I don't think sanctions work at all, and should be scrapped and replaced with actual diplomacy).

This article is a good overview: https://biv.com/article/2021/08/updated-judge-meng-wanzhou-case-challenges-crowns-position-fraud

As usual Ian Young has done a great job of reporting on the issue (ignore the truncated headline - it is not representative of the balance presented in the article):

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3144741/meng-wanzhous-dishonesty-abundantly-clear-and-she-should-be

Now whether or not she actually committed fraud in order to maintain the use of the US banking system is a matter for the US courts. Canada is only involved because of the extradition request. However, at least everyone involved is very clear about what the accusation is, what the process is, etc. Transparency absolutely matters, it is one of the fundamental building blocks of a just society. So is rule of law, and Canada is simply following the rule of law with respect to the extradition hearing. So I think your argument that transparency and open courts don't matter is completely wrong, because otherwise the Canadian courts could simply change the proceedings as they see fit, to ensure the desired outcome is reached.

To be clear China didn't arrest the two Canadians in retaliation, but to use them as leverage in the extradition affair, after economic approaches to effect leverage failed to sway the Canadian government or Courts.

Although the formal extradition hearing began yesterday (scheduled to run until the 20th), I don't expect a ruling anytime soon, and if the ruling is unfavorable for Meng, I expect it to be appealed, and the case to drag on for another couple of years. Which sucks incredibly for my friend and Mr. Kovrig.

 

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omg!!!! poor HSBC!!!

nobody cares about HSBC's defraudment fuck those dumbass bitches

  On 8/12/2021 at 5:56 PM, Satans Little Helper said:

Looks like we have a new world class of the Chinese business people with more privileges than us worker bees. The capital-communist overclass, I guess. If Ayn Rand and Karl Marx would have a child, it'd be called Tsjaina.

China has had a wealth inequality problem for decades. It's gotten worse under Xi.

Depending on which report you read, China either has the second-most or the most billionaires per country.

I wonder how many billionaires are in the CCP.

If Ayn Rand and Karl Marx had a child, it would probably look like Rand Paul.

  On 8/12/2021 at 7:11 PM, chenGOD said:

China has had a wealth inequality problem for decades. It's gotten worse under Xi.

Depending on which report you read, China either has the second-most or the most billionaires per country.

I wonder how many billionaires are in the CCP.

If Ayn Rand and Karl Marx had a child, it would probably look like Rand Paul.

the complaint that China has billionaires is essentially "China has not yet achieved socialism" which they themselves admit.  China has immense capital, and has not achieved socialism, therefore billionaires exist.  they are not the same as billionaires who exist in a capitalist country where they can bend the law to their will for the expanse of their capital, as we can see with China clamping down on various billionaires and countries

I reside in China and I can keep my cum. All of it. Let that settle in for a moment.
 

I don’t have to share any of my cum in China.