Russia is now bombing Ukraine

  On 3/4/2022 at 11:15 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

you think there isn't specialization of labor under other economic systems than capitalism?  i spoke wrong to say it has nothing to do with capitalism.  what i meant is it is not -unique- to capitalism.  soviet union definitely had specialization

ok, so the gold standard for capitalism, the global vanguard of capitalism, is not real capitalism somehow, right.  such idealism.  the real world does not match your ideal views of capitalism so it's not real capitalism.  capitalism inevitably results in the formation of -a- united states.  if the whole world was like your ideal capitalism, i assume some nordic european countries, guess what, they would start competing on who is going to form the US imperialist version first, this is very basic

I think you should try harder to strawman my argument. None of what you said resembles anything that I said. 

https://www.gearnews.com/fck-ptn-emergency-aid-limited-pedal/

  On 3/4/2022 at 3:56 PM, usagi said:

nah, nothing wrong with cheerleading. it's not like this sort of dumb tunnel vision has blundered the US into enough military misadventures over the past x decades for them to maybe look before they leap

  On 3/5/2022 at 2:50 AM, usagi said:

I didn't say anything about who should or shouldn't intervene, dickhead.

i'm glad some humanitarian aid is starting to head to ukrainians. the doom scrolling is hard to counter.  i don't need to see anymore blown up civilians. 

  On 3/5/2022 at 2:14 AM, ignatius said:

idk.. seems like russia sent in a lot of canon fodder in the first wave but that'll change. macron said "the worst is yet to come" after he spoke w/putin for 90 minutes just the other day. 

some docs popped up yesterday that apparently are russian plans for occupation, trials, public executions etc... in Ukraine. 

seems impossible to really know what's going on in russia's inner circles but protests seem a positive development. 

i expect NATO will walk the fine line of support/material assistance without engaging directly.  i hope the smart people in the room are getting it right. 

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if russia continues with the bombing then there will be more and more talk of a "no fly zone," which gambles with starting ww3, with not great odds.

the best thing the russian military can do is nothing

  On 3/5/2022 at 4:34 AM, trying to be less rude said:

  On 3/4/2022 at 3:56 PM, usagi said:

nah, nothing wrong with cheerleading. it's not like this sort of dumb tunnel vision has blundered the US into enough military misadventures over the past x decades for them to maybe look before they leap

 

  On 3/5/2022 at 2:50 AM, usagi said:

I didn't say anything about who should or shouldn't intervene, dickhead.

 

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and from that you extrapolated my supposed views on when and how the west should intervene here and now. very good. if it isn't an entirely one-sided single track argument, you become completely lost. I said look before you leap and don't misjudge, I said nothing final about whether or not I think it's a good idea for US/NATO to intervene in this current conflict, which has a risk of becoming more multilateral. I think it's a bad idea to jump in rn but no one knows as yet where this thing will go. don't tag me and say I believe something or other when you don't know wtf you're talking about.

  On 3/5/2022 at 4:57 AM, usagi said:

I think it's a bad idea to jump in rn

so i was right

anyway yes i inferred. sorry

no you weren't, because to reiterate ad nauseam, I am ultimately undecided as this thing isn't over yet and no one knows where it'll go. why don't you try being less retarded instead of less rude? that seems like it should be a higher priority for you.

too much sexual tension here. 

Yeah, get a room. 

shouldn't have bothered reading or responding to his posts in the first place, they're never worth it. I've been spending too much time on this story over the last few days, peace out.

  On 3/5/2022 at 5:42 AM, usagi said:

shouldn't have bothered reading or responding to his posts in the first place, they're never worth it. I've been spending too much time on this story over the last few days, peace out.

bro you’re good

shit?

Meanwhile in Russia:

Apple Pay - completely blocks
Apple - leaves the market
Adidas - refuses to cooperate with the national football team
Audi - leaves the market
AMD - bans the delivery of microchips and soon a ban on the delivery of graphics cards
Amazon - blocks all retail
Adobe - completely blocking
British Petrolium - 20% of the shares left Rosneft
BBC - revokes broadcasting licenses
BMW - closes factories, blocks deliveries
Bolt - leaves the market
Boeing - leaves the market
Chevrolet - leaves the market
Cannes Festival - blocks the Russian Federation delegation
Cadillac - leaves the market
Carlsberg - export restrictions
Cex Io - crypto platform bans Russian users
The Cinema 4D app does not work
Coca Cola - leaves the market
Danone - leaves the market with its subsidiary Prostokvashino
Disney - cancels all movies
Dell - leaving the market
Dropbox - will stop working in the country in a few days
DHL - leaves the market
Eurovision - disqualification
Ericsson - leaves the market
Equinor ASA, Norway's largest energy company, completes all projects in Russia
Exxon Mobil - recalls all specialists from Russian oil companies
Etsy - blocking all balances on ru accounts
Facebook - ban on Russian media accounts
FedEx - complete delivery ban
Formula 1 - cancels the tournament in Sochi
Ford - closes all stores
FIFA - disqualifies the national team for the World Cup and bans on holding any international matches in the Russian Federation
Google Pay - partial block
Google Maps - info block for Russia
General Motors - stops exports
H&M clothing chain - pauses all sales, stops newly built clothing store in Moscow
HP - import ban
Harley Davidson - finishes deliveries
IKEA closes all Russian department stores and stops all Russian exports and imports and provides 430 million in crisis aid to Ukraine
Instagram - blocks all propaganda
Intel - delivery ban for microchips
Jaguar - leaves the market
John Deere - does not supply forestry machinery to Russia
Jooble - removed the post and made a statement
Komatusu - does not supply forestry machinery to Russia
KPMG terminates selected Russian clients subject to sanctions
KUNA - leaves the market
Lenovo - leaving the market
LinkedIn - preparing to leave the country completely
Linklaters completes its Russian projects
Live Nation stops all events in Russia
Mazda in Japan stops exports to Russia
Mastercard - shuts down card production, shuts down several banks
Maersk - stops deliveries to / from Russia (Ali express and ASOS)
Mercedes - leaves the country
Megogo - all Russian movies are removed
Metro - dismissal of 10k employees
Mitsubishi - dismissal of employees at 141 service centers
Microsoft Office - a long list of actions is discussed
Mobile World Congress - refuses to accredit a delegation from the Russian Federation
MOK - cancels all competitions
NFT - blocks funds for users of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, transfer of their money to Ukraine
NHL - Interrupted Business Relations
Netflix - blocks Russian subscriptions, stops production of Russian TV series
Nike - closes all stores
Nintendo - ban on purchases in rubles
Nestlé closes all 6 factories in Russia
The Norwegian Petroleum Fund is selling its Russian assets
OnlyFans - closes completely
Paysera - blocking
PayPal - freezes accounts for withdrawals
Paramount - movie distribution block
Parimatch - franchise involved
Play Station - payment cannot be completed
Ponsse - does not supply forestry machines to Russia
Pornhub - no access to the content
Porsche - exit from Russia
Renault - leaves the market
Samsung pay - blocking of services
Snapchat - out of the app in Russia and Belarus
Scania withdrawal from the Russian Federation
SpaceX - delivers Starlink to Ukraine
Shell - termination of contract with Gazprom
SKF - closes its factory in Russia
Spotify - impossible to pay for subscription, closes its office
Sony - movie distribution block
Stora Enso - closes its three pulp mills and two sawmills in Russia
Tallink - does not take on board Russian and Belarusian trucks
Tata Motors Ltd stops supplying Jaguar and Landrover to Russia
Twitter - Citizens of the Russian Federation can not register an accountToyota - redundancy of 2,600 employees
UEFA - sets the Champions League final in St. Petersburg Petersburg, ban for all clubs from participating in the Champions League and Champions League, termination of the contract with the main sponsor Gazprom
UPS - complete delivery ban
Universal pictures - film distribution block
Viking Lines - does not take Russian and Belarusian trucks on board
Visa - blocks banks as under sanctions
Volvo - leaves the Russian Federation
Yandex - excludes corporate shares from the listing on the NY Stock Exchange
YouTube - blocks hundreds of RF channels and their revenue
Warner Bros. cancels all movie distribution
Webmoney - ban on transactions
Wolkswagen - out of the country
Zoom - revokes software development licenses

  On 3/5/2022 at 9:07 AM, cern said:

Meanwhile in Russia:

Apple Pay - completely blocks
Apple - leaves the market
Adidas - refuses to cooperate with the national football team
Audi - leaves the market
AMD - bans the delivery of microchips and soon a ban on the delivery of graphics cards
Amazon - blocks all retail
Adobe - completely blocking
British Petrolium - 20% of the shares left Rosneft
BBC - revokes broadcasting licenses
BMW - closes factories, blocks deliveries
Bolt - leaves the market
Boeing - leaves the market
Chevrolet - leaves the market
Cannes Festival - blocks the Russian Federation delegation
Cadillac - leaves the market
Carlsberg - export restrictions
Cex Io - crypto platform bans Russian users
The Cinema 4D app does not work
Coca Cola - leaves the market
Danone - leaves the market with its subsidiary Prostokvashino
Disney - cancels all movies
Dell - leaving the market
Dropbox - will stop working in the country in a few days
DHL - leaves the market
Eurovision - disqualification
Ericsson - leaves the market
Equinor ASA, Norway's largest energy company, completes all projects in Russia
Exxon Mobil - recalls all specialists from Russian oil companies
Etsy - blocking all balances on ru accounts
Facebook - ban on Russian media accounts
FedEx - complete delivery ban
Formula 1 - cancels the tournament in Sochi
Ford - closes all stores
FIFA - disqualifies the national team for the World Cup and bans on holding any international matches in the Russian Federation
Google Pay - partial block
Google Maps - info block for Russia
General Motors - stops exports
H&M clothing chain - pauses all sales, stops newly built clothing store in Moscow
HP - import ban
Harley Davidson - finishes deliveries
IKEA closes all Russian department stores and stops all Russian exports and imports and provides 430 million in crisis aid to Ukraine
Instagram - blocks all propaganda
Intel - delivery ban for microchips
Jaguar - leaves the market
John Deere - does not supply forestry machinery to Russia
Jooble - removed the post and made a statement
Komatusu - does not supply forestry machinery to Russia
KPMG terminates selected Russian clients subject to sanctions
KUNA - leaves the market
Lenovo - leaving the market
LinkedIn - preparing to leave the country completely
Linklaters completes its Russian projects
Live Nation stops all events in Russia
Mazda in Japan stops exports to Russia
Mastercard - shuts down card production, shuts down several banks
Maersk - stops deliveries to / from Russia (Ali express and ASOS)
Mercedes - leaves the country
Megogo - all Russian movies are removed
Metro - dismissal of 10k employees
Mitsubishi - dismissal of employees at 141 service centers
Microsoft Office - a long list of actions is discussed
Mobile World Congress - refuses to accredit a delegation from the Russian Federation
MOK - cancels all competitions
NFT - blocks funds for users of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, transfer of their money to Ukraine
NHL - Interrupted Business Relations
Netflix - blocks Russian subscriptions, stops production of Russian TV series
Nike - closes all stores
Nintendo - ban on purchases in rubles
Nestlé closes all 6 factories in Russia
The Norwegian Petroleum Fund is selling its Russian assets
OnlyFans - closes completely
Paysera - blocking
PayPal - freezes accounts for withdrawals
Paramount - movie distribution block
Parimatch - franchise involved
Play Station - payment cannot be completed
Ponsse - does not supply forestry machines to Russia
Pornhub - no access to the content
Porsche - exit from Russia
Renault - leaves the market
Samsung pay - blocking of services
Snapchat - out of the app in Russia and Belarus
Scania withdrawal from the Russian Federation
SpaceX - delivers Starlink to Ukraine
Shell - termination of contract with Gazprom
SKF - closes its factory in Russia
Spotify - impossible to pay for subscription, closes its office
Sony - movie distribution block
Stora Enso - closes its three pulp mills and two sawmills in Russia
Tallink - does not take on board Russian and Belarusian trucks
Tata Motors Ltd stops supplying Jaguar and Landrover to Russia
Twitter - Citizens of the Russian Federation can not register an accountToyota - redundancy of 2,600 employees
UEFA - sets the Champions League final in St. Petersburg Petersburg, ban for all clubs from participating in the Champions League and Champions League, termination of the contract with the main sponsor Gazprom
UPS - complete delivery ban
Universal pictures - film distribution block
Viking Lines - does not take Russian and Belarusian trucks on board
Visa - blocks banks as under sanctions
Volvo - leaves the Russian Federation
Yandex - excludes corporate shares from the listing on the NY Stock Exchange
YouTube - blocks hundreds of RF channels and their revenue
Warner Bros. cancels all movie distribution
Webmoney - ban on transactions
Wolkswagen - out of the country
Zoom - revokes software development licenses

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capitalists so interested in avoiding war now i guess so wholesome, where are they doing this when US invades a country, clearly international bourgeoisie applying harsher neoliberal shock doctrine no way theyre stupid enough to think this is a good form of warfare rather than pressuring nato to provide russia a guarantee that ukraine won't be allowed into nato

these companies have the good of the people at heart now with everything they all do to the populations during peace time?

  On 3/5/2022 at 9:07 AM, cern said:

AMD - bans the delivery of microchips and soon a ban on the delivery of graphics cards

  On 3/5/2022 at 9:07 AM, cern said:

Intel - delivery ban for microchips

Those two will really hurt, no microchips will wreck their industry.

  On 3/5/2022 at 9:07 AM, cern said:

Amazon - blocks all retail

Wonder if they will block the provision of AWS services.

The blocking of consumer products is one thing but blocking the machine parts, lease deals, chemicals, support, maintenance, foreign funding, etc for businesses will send the whole economy on a downward spiral. The St. Petersburg Toyota factory that is being shut down has 2,600 employees, Svetogorsk paper mill being shut down has 1,700 employees and the list will continue.

I've seen analysis also that the Russian civil aviation will also collapse in a few weeks if they can't lease airplanes from west, get parts or even access the electronic service manuals.

  On 3/5/2022 at 10:44 AM, zkom said:

The blocking of consumer products is one thing but blocking the machine parts, lease deals, chemicals, support, maintenance, foreign funding, etc for businesses will send the whole economy on a downward spiral. The St. Petersburg Toyota factory that is being shut down has 2,600 employees, Svetogorsk paper mill being shut down has 1,700 employees and the list will continue.

I've seen analysis also that the Russian civil aviation will also collapse in a few weeks if they can't lease airplanes from west, get parts or even access the electronic service manuals.

these sick international bourgheoisie they can never miss up on a chance to punish workers

  On 3/5/2022 at 10:44 AM, zkom said:

The blocking of consumer products is one thing but blocking the machine parts, lease deals, chemicals, support, maintenance, foreign funding, etc for businesses will send the whole economy on a downward spiral. The St. Petersburg Toyota factory that is being shut down has 2,600 employees, Svetogorsk paper mill being shut down has 1,700 employees and the list will continue.

I've seen analysis also that the Russian civil aviation will also collapse in a few weeks if they can't lease airplanes from west, get parts or even access the electronic service manuals.

Good.

  On 3/4/2022 at 6:17 PM, ignatius said:

probably not a priority to update watmm. as this thread goes round and round i'm hoping you're safe.

the news here and online of course is crazy and disheartening. 

im safe right now , thanks. still in my city .

  On 3/4/2022 at 9:53 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

specialization has nothing to do with capitalist innovative spirit.  and competition leads to the same thing being done multiple times and anti-competitive actions taking place to prevent others from succeeding.  competition in fact leads to monopoly, which leads to imperialism, which leads to NATO, which leads to NATO encirclement of Russia with nukes, which leads to Ukraine being invaded by Putin to likely try to solidify Ukraine as a neutral buffer state between NATO and Russia out of Russia's national security interests

The encirclement with nukes thing is a bad excuse. Nato or Russia can already destroy themselves from any distance with the reach of nuclear weapons they have, not to mention the nuclear submarines and other stuff. Maybe some countries next to Russia want to be part of NATO to cover their asses from possible  illegal military invasion from Russia  trying to regain territories it had decades before. Examples like in the 2008 Georgia thing, the Crimea anexion and now this war are the proof. NATO hasn't done any military coercion like that.  Maybe those countries like democracy and capitalism more the western way than the rusky mafia way. The point is if a country wants to join NATO democratically, Russia has no right to invade any sovereign nation for that to "solididify it" (lol, more like demolish and murder it) as a neutral buffer state new imposed russian  oblast like Crimea. Also Belarus has to be counted technically like a russian satellite oblast not neutral state.

Reading Ukraine has some of the deepest subway tunnels in the World, where they could possibly mount a resistance for years

  On 3/5/2022 at 1:45 PM, Milwaukeeeee said:

The encirclement with nukes thing is a bad excuse. Nato or Russia can already destroy themselves from any distance with the reach of nuclear weapons they have, not to mention the nuclear submarines and other stuff. Maybe some countries next to Russia want to be part of NATO to cover their asses from possible  illegal military invasion from Russia  trying to regain territories it had decades before. Examples like in the 2008 Georgia thing, the Crimea anexion and now this war are the proof. NATO hasn't done any military coercion like that.  Maybe those countries like democracy and capitalism more the western way than the rusky mafia way. The point is if a country wants to join NATO democratically, Russia has no right to invade any sovereign nation for that to "solididify it" (lol, more like demolish and murder it) as a neutral buffer state new imposed russian  oblast like Crimea. Also Belarus has to be counted technically like a russian satellite oblast not neutral state.

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i wonder which side is liberating crimea

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-forces-unblock-water-flow-canal-annexed-crimea-moscow-says-2022-02-24/

  On 3/5/2022 at 1:51 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

i wonder which side is liberating crimea

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-forces-unblock-water-flow-canal-annexed-crimea-moscow-says-2022-02-24/

Wow some water has been realeased from a canal according to a russian defense propaganda minister lol good for some crieman russians putin a** lickers sure they need it, nice . Meanwhile thousands of innocent people some kilometers above are being massacred for freedom and opression sake right?

  On 3/5/2022 at 1:59 PM, Milwaukeeeee said:

Wow some water has been realeased from a canal according to a russian defense propaganda minister lol good for some crieman russians putin a** lickers sure they need it, nice . Meanwhile thousands of innocent people some kilometers above are being massacred for freedom and opression sake right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

ya withholding water from basically islands is so wholesome and they care so much about the wellbeing of the crimean people