Russia is now bombing Ukraine

  On 3/8/2022 at 10:19 PM, brian trageskin said:

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ca c'est le brassage de marde fantastique.

A poster in front of the Russian embassy in Riga :

  On 3/8/2022 at 6:55 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

are you really saying NATO is funding Nazis to get the country back on track?  What are you saying exactly?  Communist "regime"?  LMAO.  Talk about historical ignorance.

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lol ok

  On 3/9/2022 at 6:49 AM, prdctvsm said:

A poster in front of the Russian embassy in Riga :

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I'm in Tallinn now and there's Ukrainian flags everywhere.

the Ruble is now worth less than the Yen, ouch 

  On 3/9/2022 at 1:54 PM, Rubin Farr said:

the Ruble is now worth less than the Yen, ouch 

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Lol the chart for the exchange rate really puts it in perspective:

News that Russia have bombed a childrens hospital, including maternity ward.

This is getting very, very dark. 

amazon bails out of .ru

  On 3/9/2022 at 4:47 PM, Nebraska said:

amazon bails out of .ru

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someone must have explained tot he bezos data machine how the bad press would effect the bottom line eventually. 

  On 3/9/2022 at 4:14 PM, Soloman Tump said:

News that Russia have bombed a childrens hospital, including maternity ward.

This is getting very, very dark. 

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putin directing military to attack everything is what many predicted as the invasion stalls. it's his way of 'doubling down' and is obviously based on his previous behavior in syria and chechnya

  On 3/9/2022 at 5:03 PM, ignatius said:

someone must have explained tot he bezos data machine how the bad press would effect the bottom line eventually. 

putin directing military to attack everything is what many predicted as the invasion stalls. it's his way of 'doubling down' and is obviously based on his previous behavior in syria and chechnya

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Terror bombing Ukraine to submission seems like the likely strategy..

The evacuation of women and children from the sieges is going like shit:

Russian forces shelling the evacuation route https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/ukraine-war-civilians-sumy-irpin-refugees-russia

Mining the evacuation routes also https://www.businessinsider.com/land-mines-proposed-ukraine-evacuations-humanitarian-corridor-red-cross-2022-3

Evacuation routes proposed by Russia lead directly to Russia and Belarus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/07/russia-humanitarian-corridors-ukraine-war-mariupol-kyiv

I'm sure there were many nazis hiding in that childrens hospital 

/sarcasm

  On 3/9/2022 at 6:18 PM, Satans Little Helper said:

I'm sure there were many nazis hiding in that childrens hospital 

/sarcasm

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/Israel

  On 3/9/2022 at 4:14 PM, Soloman Tump said:

News that Russia have bombed a childrens hospital, including maternity ward.

This is getting very, very dark. 

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Russians like to bomb hospitals as they don't fight back. 

I just can't shake the feeling that there is so much attention and support for Ukraine because it's a full of white people

no need to shake the feeling because it's true. or at the very least, it's a big part of the reason.

nobody should be surprised at any level of barbarity the Russians stoop to like bombing a maternity ward, because it's straight out of the old playbook. 

I didn't even have to google that hard to find this story. I guess it didn't matter to people so much back then.

  On 3/10/2022 at 1:21 AM, usagi said:

straight out of the old playbook

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the article in full for paywalled nibbas:

  On 3/10/2022 at 1:01 AM, marf said:

I just can't shake the feeling that there is so much attention and support for Ukraine because it's a full of white people

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it might seem that way because social media. and there may be some amount of truth to that but if social media was around in the 90s i think africa might've gotten more attention. rwanda genocide etc. but it did get press. 

russia's invasion is easier to package by the media because people can easily understand what's happening in general. far off complicated struggles are a tougher sell at least here in america. 

but also, russia is a nuclear state and europe feels on the brink for a lot of people so the stakes are high, potentially. someone smarter than me can do an analysis of the who what why etc but the world is a different place. we have 24 hour news in our hands every day. and people can take some small active measure to show solidarity and contribute so people are engaged. 

idk. i'm tired. 

^ I just hear a lot of equivocation and handwaving from this kind of reasoning tbh. generalising here so as not to criticise you personally.

it's hard for most people to admit that conflict/death only matters to them when it's 'closer' to them, either geographically or ideologically. everyone is susceptible to this flaw, not just white people. which is why a large portion of the non-white world doesn't care as much as the west about Ukraine rn. is that ok then? clearly it isn't, if the Bangladeshis attempt to take a neutral stance and get punished for it. nb: not saying Bangladesh shouldn't have taken a stand, just pointing out the double standard here when it comes to who should care about what.

the fact that "far off complicated struggles are a tougher sell" is an indictment of the general carelessness and self-absorbedness of human beings, not an acceptable excuse for not caring. this kind of attitude should be fought against.

  On 3/10/2022 at 1:01 AM, marf said:

I just can't shake the feeling that there is so much attention and support for Ukraine because it's a full of white people

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Not wrong - the Conservative party here suddenly voted along with other parties to remove barriers for Ukrainian refugees:

https://www.lakelandtoday.ca/beyond-local/canadas-ukraine-refugee-plan-praised-but-questions-raised-about-other-war-escapees-5126789

Compare that to the Conservative response to the Syrian crisis (they had a majority government at the time): https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-conservatives-message-syrian-refugees-1.3226039

And more recently, our approach to the Afghan refugees after the Taliban took over (better than Syria, but still not great): https://finance.yahoo.com/news/canada-continues-welcome-more-afghan-224200987.html

To add on that, because our Immigration branch is so short staffed (like virtually all federal government departments here), the delays are going to be huge: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/petawawa-ont-group-worried-syrian-refugee-family-will-take-back-seat-to-ukrainian-immigration-1.5813060

  On 3/10/2022 at 1:01 AM, marf said:

I just can't shake the feeling that there is so much attention and support for Ukraine because it's a full of white people

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https://imgur.com/a/Dckl6cz

  On 3/9/2022 at 6:18 PM, Satans Little Helper said:

I'm sure there were many nazis hiding in that childrens hospital 

/sarcasm

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would it surprise you? they are nazis, they have no problem using human shields.  i can't find it but I saw a picture of azov hiding in a kindergarten or preschool or something (had some childrens animal mural painted on the wall).

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one of countless examples:

https://www.axios.com/africans-in-ukraine-racism-81bf8ebd-2d03-4373-bdeb-b5de9db7ec91.html

  On 3/10/2022 at 2:24 AM, usagi said:

^ I just hear a lot of equivocation and handwaving from this kind of reasoning tbh. generalising here so as not to criticise you personally.

it's hard for most people to admit that conflict/death only matters to them when it's 'closer' to them, either geographically or ideologically. everyone is susceptible to this flaw, not just white people. which is why a large portion of the non-white world doesn't care as much as the west about Ukraine rn. is that ok then? clearly it isn't, if the Bangladeshis attempt to take a neutral stance and get punished for it. nb: not saying Bangladesh shouldn't have taken a stand, just pointing out the double standard here when it comes to who should care about what.

the fact that "far off complicated struggles are a tougher sell" is an indictment of the general carelessness and self-absorbedness of human beings, not an acceptable excuse for not caring. this kind of attitude should be fought against.

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that's kinda what i said a little? 

i mean.. everything gets more attention now though doesn't it?  remember kony 2012, what about K-pop fans blocking up websites in the USA to fuck with republicans and support BLM and all kinds of stuff.. 

the world is unquestionably different in some ways. social media can bring attention to and also cause massacres and genocides. 

but yeah.. totally agree.. that geographical location etc makes things different and always has.. that's part of it being 'easier to package' and digest over here. 

also, sometimes other things get suppressed. for a good while yemen was getting coverage here but mostly people shrugged and moved on because the middle east is "supposed to be that way" or something.  also, usa sold arms to saudi who were bombing everything to death over there in the midst of the biggest humanitarian crisis etc etc.. proxy war between iran and saudi or whatever. also people are burned out on middle politics and all that and i think a lot of people have shrugged it off and glazed over thinking it's just 'too complicated' and no one can solve it and yada yada yada. 

idk.. mostly when i see all the atrocities happening in ukraine perpetrated by russia i think about iraq and afghanistan and it's a really complicated feeling.  we (americans) knew we were lied to (many of us did anyways) and knew it was a bullshit war to invade iraq. it was immediately obvious. and anyone who looks even a little bit knows we littered the desert w/uranium depleted rounds causing a generation of birth defects and killed countless civilians... afghanistan obviously doesn't even need explaining as to how any progress there was temporary and how fucked up it is now.. ... 

so, i see russia doing what it's doing and it makes me think "Fuck.. they're doing an america on ukraine" but didn't even have the nerve to go make a case at the UN and lie about white powder and mushroom clouds. 

it sucks. we're at the mercy of psychopaths. 

edit: and obviously iraw and ukraine aren't coparable countries. ukraine is a burgeoning democracy and sadam was a fuckin gbrutal murderous dictator

  On 3/10/2022 at 3:24 AM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

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one of countless examples:

https://www.axios.com/africans-in-ukraine-racism-81bf8ebd-2d03-4373-bdeb-b5de9db7ec91.html

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yeah. it's bullshit that the african students are stuck in limbo like that. so fucked. 

  On 3/10/2022 at 3:52 AM, ignatius said:

edit: and obviously iraw and ukraine aren't coparable countries. ukraine is a burgeoning democracy and sadam was a fuckin gbrutal murderous dictator

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this is just western racism cloaked in ideology.  ukraine isnt a "burgeoning democracy" it's a dictatorship of the bourgeois with nazi apologizing leaders, far right nationalistic tendencies, and nazi infested military endorsed by that same state

  On 3/10/2022 at 4:03 AM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

this is just western racism cloaked in ideology.  ukraine isnt a "burgeoning democracy" it's a dictatorship of the bourgeois with nazi apologizing leaders, far right nationalistic tendencies, and nazi infested military endorsed by that same state

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so sadam didn't gas his own people? his sons didn't have 'rape rooms'?  ukraine had several elections to choose their presidents.. that's a burgeoning democracy isn't it?  i know you see a nazi under every rock there but it simply isn't true. 

you can characterize them as you like. i don't know how saying sadam hussein was a dictator makes me a racist about iraq.  btw sadam wasn't a communist so you don't have to defend him. 

and yes i know USA and the coalition wrecked iraq and gave birth to extremists but still.. 

so maybe it would've been more accurate to say the governments of iraq and ukraine aren't comparable? is that better for you?

  On 3/10/2022 at 4:16 AM, ignatius said:

so sadam didn't gas his own people? his sons didn't have 'rape rooms'?  ukraine had several elections to choose their presidents.. that's a burgeoning democracy isn't it?  i know you see a nazi under every rock there but it simply isn't true. 

you can characterize them as you like. i don't know how saying sadam hussein was a dictator makes me a racist about iraq.  btw sadam wasn't a communist so you don't have to defend him. 

and yes i know USA and the coalition wrecked iraq and gave birth to extremists but still.. 

so maybe it would've been more accurate to say the governments of iraq and ukraine aren't comparable? is that better for you?

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i didnt in any way defend sadam, only attacked defenses of ukraine's supposed democracy.  if we want to start death counts as some sort of justification to compare countrys' deservingness to have wars started against them let's start with mcdonalds and chevron, nobody's going to endorse a war against them though

nazis arent under every rock, that is true, they wouldn't fit under most rocks, but somehow western media can't take a single picture of ukrainian soldiers without random nazis accidentally getting in the picture, its happening over and over again