Russia is now bombing Ukraine

Any fans of Rogan around here? Let us know if you still are after watching this

Im not a fan of Rogan and he is a drug head sitting discussing serious topic like that with a another druggie rich kid far away from war and reality 

I take his talk with a truck of salt 

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden’s administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of troops as young as 18. . . . The official said “the pure math” of Ukraine’s situation now is that it needs more troops in the fight.

also have seen a lot of reporting about Russia's currency market and economy taking a downward turn, seems like new sanctions are making monetary transactions between Russia and other foreign countries difficult: https://www.politico.eu/article/ruble-value-falls-russia-war-economy-ukraine-oil-prices-sanctions-inflation-interest-rates-oligarchs/

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The ruble tumbled on Wednesday to its lowest level in over two years, as a mix of low oil prices, new sanctions against Russian businesses and burgeoning government spending on its war effort put ever-greater strain on the Russian economy. The central bank reacted by suspending currency purchases for the rest of this year.

  On 11/27/2024 at 7:09 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

Any fans of Rogan around here? Let us know if you still are after watching this

 

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Add this to the list. Disgusting behavior

  On 11/21/2024 at 2:12 PM, droid said:

This is a historical moment and the clearest possible demonstration that we're completely fucked

I don't really see why this is seen as some kind of epic escalation. Both sides have been using "nuclear capable" weapons since the very start. Vova has shown off another war toy - yes, and?

  On 11/27/2024 at 11:24 PM, Walter Ostanek said:

I don't really see why this is seen as some kind of epic escalation. Both sides have been using "nuclear capable" weapons since the very start. Vova has shown off another war toy - yes, and?

Ukraine has no nukes though right? wasn't that the thing they gave up in return for a promise to never be invaded? the weapons may be capable of carrying some small nuclear warhead but russia actually has nukes and that missile they demonstrated can carry enough warheads to destroy any city on the planet. 

doesn't mean they'll use them but seems like it's not good news. 

anyway.. as for it being a 'historical moment'. idk. america seems extra made up lately and there's likely gonna be a lot of domestic drama if trump does half of the things that have shit out of his mouth over the last year. and if there's anything we know about america and the media it's that they love drama, are way deep into celebrity culture and gossip.. this extends to world affairs. what's even real anymore? seems people can't agree. it's all a big swirling stinking pot of shit.

apparently trump's team relayed to putin "negotiate now or the aid we've given to ukraine so far will seem like peanuts" so.. that sounds like it'll go well. 

i'm gonna eat pies tomorrow. with ice cream. a la mode. could be dope. 

Russia/The USSR has maintained a stock of ICBMs since around 1960. It would not be surprising if some of them are indeed operational.

  On 11/21/2024 at 2:12 PM, droid said:

It looks like this was a short-medium range Rubezh ICBM capable of carrying multiple 300kt MIRV warheads. More than enough to level almost any city on earth.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-26_Rubezh

This is a historical moment and the clearest possible demonstration that we're completely fucked unless there is immediate deescalation. Putin's not fucking around here.   

"A Western official has said that the missile launched by Russia as part of an attack on the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnipro was a ballistic missile, but not an intercontinental ballistic missile." (CNN)

"On Russian state television, Putin confirmed that Moscow had used a "new" intermediate-range ballistic missile, capable of attacking targets at a speed of '2.5-3 km per second'. This is different from what Ukraine had claimed earlier, as its president and foreign ministry alleged the attack was carried out by an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). US officials threw cold water on those claims throughout the day." (BBC)

"The new ballistic missile was called Oreshnik [the hazel], Putin said" [Guardian]

Yeah, the Oreshnik is basically the Rubezh with an extra 2 warheads in the MIRV. Its technically an IRBM yes, which means it has most of the features of an ICBM including a terminal phase which is near impossible to defend against. 

But look at the maximum range, 5500km, centred on Moscow. Depending from where within Russia it was launched, one of these missiles could strike almost any city in the Northern Hemisphere

  On 11/28/2024 at 6:24 AM, joseph said:

"A Western official has said that the missile launched by Russia as part of an attack on the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnipro was a ballistic missile, but not an intercontinental ballistic missile." (CNN)

"On Russian state television, Putin confirmed that Moscow had used a "new" intermediate-range ballistic missile, capable of attacking targets at a speed of '2.5-3 km per second'. This is different from what Ukraine had claimed earlier, as its president and foreign ministry alleged the attack was carried out by an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). US officials threw cold water on those claims throughout the day." (BBC)

I watched the pentagon press briefing the day it was fired, and they also referred to the weapon as new, their word was 'experimental' (in that this type of weapon had not previously been used in active combat). They also said that Russia warned them 30 minutes prior to the attack that something big was coming. Have been hearing that this type of weapon has been in development for very long in Russia.

also read that the speed of the missile makes it invulnerable to missile defense, and that the speed, combined with the high temperature of the warhead when it hits the ground, plus the multiple explosions from the payloads of the different warheads, means that it can release the same amount of tonnage of energy that a tactical nuke can, but without the radiation issues, which can potentially make them more palatable for use by military leaders in the future. In other words it can either be equipped with nuclear weapons or do a similar amount of damage with conventional munitions.

Depending on where it is deployed from in Russia and its speed, it could hit London or Paris within like a 10 -15 minute window according to one report.

Russia's reasoning for firing it now was as a response to western escalation (from their perspective) in shooting ballistic missiles deeper into Russia. Basically they are saying that any time Ukraine escalates with the help of NATO, that they will either match or outdo them on the battlefield, and that from their perspective it is as if NATO is in open warfare with them because of how those atacms and storm shadow missiles need to be fired (they require American and British personnel and intelligence to be programmed and to fire). 

Morality aside, its an explicit demonstration of their capability and willingness to mount a nuclear strike against Ukraine in response to Western escalation. One second closer to midnight.

  On 11/28/2024 at 2:53 PM, droid said:

Morality aside, its an explicit demonstration of their capability and willingness to mount a nuclear strike against Ukraine in response to Western escalation. One second closer to midnight.

Again I don't see why. They can launch all sorts of intercontinental shit from submarines as it is, or do hybrid/deniable infrastructure hack attacks which arguably threaten the modern world just as much as any big-ass explosion would. The Russia-friendly media coverage of this Oreshnik thing just seems like a desperate soypoint cry for attention: "look! we're escalating!"

  On 11/28/2024 at 6:49 PM, Walter Ostanek said:

Again I don't see why. They can launch all sorts of intercontinental shit from submarines as it is, or do hybrid/deniable infrastructure hack attacks which arguably threaten the modern world just as much as any big-ass explosion would. The Russia-friendly media coverage of this Oreshnik thing just seems like a desperate soypoint cry for attention: "look! we're escalating!"

 

Yea. It surprises me how quick responsibility is shifted from Russia to "the West". I'm afraid there's still a bunch of people thinking there's a pacifist scenario where there's a reasonable discussion with russia. That ship has sailed a bunch of years ago when Russia actually attacked the Ukraine. I think the Urkaine should have been given the green light to use missiles on russian territory a long time ago. Russia is simply not planning to be a reasonable partner at the negotiation table. There was nothing reasonable about their attack in the first place.

I guess I've turned into a war-mongering hawk now. So be it. We live in a dark world. There is no "Ghandi"-way out of this. Similar to 1939:

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Gandhi did not adamantly proceed with non-violence under all circumstances.  He called off satyagraha campaigns when violence erupted as an unintended consequence.  Gandhi even fasted for the victims of such violence.  The Mahatma could also be very pragmatic about the time and place for non-violence, famously saying, “Where there is a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.”3  Gandhi’s understanding of the capacity for non-violence could be quite nuanced.

https://providencemag.com/2023/04/the-man-who-met-gandhi-and-hitler/

Who said anything about responsibility? The West has escalated, Russia has escalated (quite dramatically) in response. This is not a moral observation, its simply objective reality. Anyone who takes the threat of nuclear war seriously should be very concerned about what has just happened.

  On 11/28/2024 at 2:53 PM, droid said:

Morality aside, its an explicit demonstration of their capability and willingness to mount a nuclear strike against Ukraine in response to Western escalation.

The capability was already known. The willingness was not demonstrated. 

  On 11/28/2024 at 10:13 PM, droid said:

The West has escalated, Russia has escalated (quite dramatically) in response.

The West escalated; but how did Russia escalate in response? Did the successful launch of Oreshnik demonstrate one or more capabilities that were previously unknown to be possessed by Russia? If so, which capabilities were those?

  On 11/28/2024 at 10:13 PM, droid said:

Who said anything about responsibility? The West has escalated, Russia has escalated (quite dramatically) in response. This is not a moral observation, its simply objective reality. Anyone who takes the threat of nuclear war seriously should be very concerned about what has just happened.

The west hasn’t escalated. The west has put restrictions on the ways the Ukraine can defend themselves far too long.

Slowly (too slowly) lifting these restrictions is not something i would consider as “the west has escalated”. It’s the opposite.

Escalating is an act of aggression. The only party in this conflict that is escalating is russia. Ukraine is on the defense. The west giving the Ukraine a diet of equipment to help them defend themselves is not an aggressive move. Regardless of how putins frames it. Putin has blamed Nato, the west and what not from day one. Its all BS. Saying the west has escalated is also BS as far as Im concerned. The west is not the aggressor in this conflict. Saying the west has escalated, is putting the west in the seat of the aggressor. That’s putins fantasy reality. 

Why is a draft even necessary? Shouldn't 18 year old Ukrainians be volunteering in mass?

How bad is it to live under Russia governance if Ukraine is taken over?

If a nuclear bomb goes off that could be the end of the UK. I want more Aphex Twin albums not a RDJ funeral. 

I hope RDJ and the gang move to the United States, someplace remote, where crime is really low. I want to finally go and see their live shows. 

Weed is largely legal here and I read today that Nevada and Maine might legalize mushrooms. 

sounds like you need a little less weed.

time stamped... to some of his thoughts on Ukraine. 

lmfao

  On 12/1/2024 at 1:38 PM, Ivan Ooze said:

lmfao

That sweater…Christmas is early this season 

American conservative media personality Tucker Carlson interviews chief Russian diplomat Sergey Lavrov. Unlike his interview with Putin, this one is entirely in English. He pretty much gives Lavrov free reign to express himself and explain Russia's position without interruption. I can't believe that Tucker would do this! How are you gonna give a platform to these authoritarian knuckleheads!! What's next, are they gonna just roll out the red carpet for these Russkis, these commie fuckers, to just go and do the marching all throughout Europe, a veritable return of the Russian federation and empire!!!! I simply can't believe this! If these people like Tucker have their way, then they are gonna have all of us freedom loving peoples in the west eating borscht and reading the novels of Leo Tolstoy. I simply will not stand for it!

  On 12/7/2024 at 2:00 PM, decibal cooper said:

American conservative media personality Tucker Carlson interviews chief Russian diplomat Sergey Lavrov. Unlike his interview with Putin, this one is entirely in English. He pretty much gives Lavrov free reign to express himself and explain Russia's position without interruption. I can't believe that Tucker would do this! How are you gonna give a platform to these authoritarian knuckleheads!! What's next, are they gonna just roll out the red carpet for these Russkis, these commie fuckers, to just go and do the marching all throughout Europe, a veritable return of the Russian federation and empire!!!! I simply can't believe this! If these people like Tucker have their way, then they are gonna have all of us freedom loving peoples in the west eating borscht and reading the novels of Leo Tolstoy. I simply will not stand for it!

Are you kidding me... 

He's looking for *clicks*. You're helping him get more clicks. Good boy!

  On 12/7/2024 at 2:10 PM, Satans Little Helper said:

 

Are you kidding me... 

He's looking for *clicks*. You're helping him get more clicks. Good boy!

no i am not kidding, lavrov's views are an important part of this conflict whether you like them or not, its an acceptable thing to post in a thread about the conflict. its honestly sad to me that this is how we have to receive the russian government's views instead of through official US government channels, instead of the product of proper diplomacy.

It's like Robert McNamara said in that Errol Morris documentaryThe Fog of War when discussing the Cuban Missile crisis, it is one of his rules of war: 'Empathize with your enemy.' This is how the Cuban Missile crisis was averted. You do not have to love Russia or be a Putin stooge in order to want to understand what their perspective is, what the thoughts are that are guiding their actions.

you really think this interview gave a view on what the russian government is thinking?

you're better off following news outlets from former russian states than to listen to some authoritarian propaganda

edit: an important part of empathizing is being able to parse through the BS (which is what those former russian states tend to do)

  On 12/7/2024 at 2:28 PM, Satans Little Helper said:

you really think this interview gave a view on what the russian government is thinking?

you're better off following news outlets from former russian states than to listen to some authoritarian propaganda

edit: an important part of empathizing is being able to parse through the BS

he's the most senior russian diplomat, and tucker also interviewed putin, the literal leader of the country who decides what its foreign policy will be: do you honestly think that their views are not representative of what the russian government is thinking?

if you want to talk about the conflict, that's fine: it is an interesting issue that deserves attention and dialogue, and this thread is a great place for it, but if you want to just shit on something without seriously engaging with it because it comes from channels that you do not like, then this is also fine, but it serves no purpose imo other than discouraging dialogue about the conflict.