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  Helper ET said:

I think Cubase is a bit more powerful than Reason. In other words...Reason kind of fucking blows. I never really understood the worshiping done around here.

 

For fuck's sake, Fruity Loops is more powerful than Reason.

You are insane and unimaginative obviously. Reason's only limitations are your imagination, so if there is something you can't do, it's your own fault.

There's no reason why I would choose to use Reason.

That's perfectly fine if you have something that works for you, but to say it isn't a capable program is just ignorant. You can literally do anything with it, and more considering routing options.

"Well it doesn't support VST's!" people say.

Well shit sheriff! That's what Rewire is for! It works perfectly fine with just about every other sequencing program!

u assume I've never l;ooked into the programme. I CHOOSE not to use Reason. I have my reasons.

EXS pwns VST

It's not that Reason sucks or anything. I've written some really amazing stuff on it. It's just that it's not that good of a program. Let's break it down...

So you've got your rack first off. Big deal. Kind of a neat idea, but neat is all it is. It's more aesthetic than practical. Ya you can flip it around and do some funky CV shit, routing, whatever. Whoohoo, nothing new. It simply gives the ability to hook up equipment creatively in a manner that a lot of aspiring musicians can't afford....the cheapness of software VS hardware.

Moving on, you got your sequencer in the next window. Nothing at all that cool about this thing. In fact I find it more of a hassle to sequence shit in this program than a convenience. Come on...only displaying on sequencing track at a time! What the fuck! I've lost many countless hours of my life switching back and forth between different track sequencer windows, it's shameful. Not only that, the stupid mother fuckers didn't make a hot key to transfer back and forth between the sequencer window and the rack. Good god, did they even try the program out after made it? I've lost, yet again, loads of creative moral by the frustration of moving between the rack and sequencer windows, and the individual track sequencing windows. Keeping up this moral is critical to music writing. The last thing you want is another step between you and the computer. The Reason designers don't seem to understand this concept. Not to mention the functions in the sequencer window that don't work while the song is playing. Good God.

So fuck those things so far. Next we have our limited amount of effects. You know what I love? Writing all of my songs, with 3 effects! What did they give us? A wah distortion (scream) (which makes everything sound like it came from that device usually). A chorus, which for some fucking reason is split with a flanger! What the fuck am I supposed to do with this thing and know what I am doing? The reverbs. Sweet ass reverb. Sounds nothing like real room reverb most of the time. It adds nice texture to sounds a lot of the time, but you quickly come to realize the "sound" of the advanced reverb device, and it becomes quite tiresome. The fold back distortion makes things sound cool sometimes, but again, we are so damn limited. And don't go given me this shit about how you need to combine these effects creatively. If that is creativity then God kill me now! The EQ's are a joke. The little red one is just retarded, and the Mclass EQ is pathetic as well. How about a decent multi-band EQ Propellerhead??? Sweet...I get to control my sounds with the shape of a wave controlled by 4 parameteres. Lots of options there.

A shitty sampler, a this, a that. A bunch of shitty drum, string and and whatever else shitty samples they give you. "For another $100 you can obtain a whole other Refill full of even moreshitty samples". Fuck Reason. It's a joke. Suited for beginner musicians. Sneaksta 303 you don't know what you are talking about. Reason is capable of elementary child's play. The notion that Aphex uses it and even passed it on to Vibert, is a fucking delusion.

Fuck all these "fake" music writing programs. It divides the children from the men.

Edit: I also forgot to mention all the shittyness of the synths, but I don't feel like it anymore. To sum it up, the synths are shit too.

I think it would be an insult to say that Aphex uses Reason. Having said that he may use it knowingly. MY point was you could spot anything done with it a mile off.

  Helper ET said:

It's not that Reason sucks or anything. I've written some really amazing stuff on it. It's just that it's not that good of a program. Let's break it down...

 

So you've got your rack first off. Big deal. Kind of a neat idea, but neat is all it is. It's more aesthetic than practical. Ya you can flip it around and do some funky CV shit, routing, whatever. Whoohoo, nothing new. It simply gives the ability to hook up equipment creatively in a manner that a lot of aspiring musicians can't afford....the cheapness of software VS hardware.

 

Moving on, you got your sequencer in the next window. Nothing at all that cool about this thing. In fact I find it more of a hassle to sequence shit in this program than a convenience. Come on...only displaying on sequencing track at a time! What the fuck! I've lost many countless hours of my life switching back and forth between different track sequencer windows, it's shameful. Not only that, the stupid mother fuckers didn't make a hot key to transfer back and forth between the sequencer window and the rack. Good god, did they even try the program out after made it? I've lost, yet again, loads of creative moral by the frustration of moving between the rack and sequencer windows, and the individual track sequencing windows. Keeping up this moral is critical to music writing. The last thing you want is another step between you and the computer. The Reason designers don't seem to understand this concept. Not to mention the functions in the sequencer window that don't work while the song is playing. Good God.

 

So fuck those things so far. Next we have our limited amount of effects. You know what I love? Writing all of my songs, with 3 effects! What did they give us? A wah distortion (scream) (which makes everything sound like it came from that device usually). A chorus, which for some fucking reason is split with a flanger! What the fuck am I supposed to do with this thing and know what I am doing? The reverbs. Sweet ass reverb. Sounds nothing like real room reverb most of the time. It adds nice texture to sounds a lot of the time, but you quickly come to realize the "sound" of the advanced reverb device, and it becomes quite tiresome. The fold back distortion makes things sound cool sometimes, but again, we are so damn limited. And don't go given me this shit about how you need to combine these effects creatively. If that is creativity then God kill me now! The EQ's are a joke. The little red one is just retarded, and the Mclass EQ is pathetic as well. How about a decent multi-band EQ Propellerhead??? Sweet...I get to control my sounds with the shape of a wave controlled by 4 parameteres. Lots of options there.

 

A shitty sampler, a this, a that. A bunch of shitty drum, string and and whatever else shitty samples they give you. "For another $100 you can obtain a whole other Refill full of even moreshitty samples". Fuck Reason. It's a joke. Suited for beginner musicians. Sneaksta 303 you don't know what you are talking about. Reason is capable of elementary child's play. The notion that Aphex uses it and even passed it on to Vibert, is a fucking delusion.

 

Fuck all these "fake" music writing programs. It divides the children from the men.

 

Edit: I also forgot to mention all the shittyness of the synths, but I don't feel like it anymore. To sum it up, the synths are shit too.

Logic can do that. Theres already hotkeys for everything!

*Sneaksta reads Helper ET's Overlong Rant"

*Sneaksta blows up ET's closed minded self's house*

*Before he preses the detonate button, Sneaksta asks "what, did you spend 5 minutes with this thing muthafucka? Anything you can't do in Reason you can Rewire it up to Renoise, Cubase, Logic, or any other main sequencer you dunderhead! If their 4 band eq isn't enough, ADD ANOTHER ONE YOU DOUCHE!" As for the foldback distortion, fuckit. That's what's the SCREAM's for! As for the stock samples, WHO USES STOCK SAMPLES WITH ANY PROGRAM! THEY ARE ALWAYS SHIT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU USE!!! So, in conclusion, you don't know what you are talking about."*

*Sneaksta's finger still hovers over the button*

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*Before he preses the detonate button, Sneaksta asks "what, did you spend 5 minutes with this thing muthafucka? Anything you can't do in Reason you can Rewire it up to Renoise, Cubase, Logic, or any other main sequencer you dunderhead! If their 4 band eq isn't enough, ADD ANOTHER ONE YOU DOUCHE!" As for the foldback distortion, fuckit. That's what's the SCREAM's for! As for the stock samples, WHO USES STOCK SAMPLES WITH ANY PROGRAM! THEY ARE ALWAYS SHIT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU USE!!! So, in conclusion, you don't know what you are talking about."*

So you really are an idiot. OK, fine, Rewire it up to Cubase or whatever for sequencing. This leaves the main point of your argument to the shitty EQ's. What you need in a good equalizer is the ability to EQ specific frequencies or frequency ranges. When you have 4 parameters to control the broad spectrum of sound, you simply do not have enough control over you sound. That little Q thing on each parameter doesn't come even close to what I would call meticulous EQing. And this shit about adding 2 EQs doesn't even make sense. I want to boost 14 000Hz -15000Hz 3 Db. How can I do this? Answer: I can't. It's useful for adding a little high end to, say, a hat. Or some extra oomph on a kick or whatever. This is the kind of shit you get to work with. As for the scream, you apparently missed the part about how flat it always sounds. Flat can be good, but like I said, all of your songs just start to sound the same after a while. You can spot the Scream a kilometer away, and no, it's not a good thing.

Now most of this isn't Reason's fault. They made it that way, that's it. It's when people like you hail it as the be all and end all of music production. Get it out of your head that it can do anything! Even Rewired, the amount of things this program can do is pathetic compared to all of the possibilities. So why am I trying to explain this to someone who can't understand this? I don't know.

Also it's funny when someone disagrees with you and you get mad and pretend to blow up their house.

  Helper ET said:

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*Before he preses the detonate button, Sneaksta asks "what, did you spend 5 minutes with this thing muthafucka? Anything you can't do in Reason you can Rewire it up to Renoise, Cubase, Logic, or any other main sequencer you dunderhead! If their 4 band eq isn't enough, ADD ANOTHER ONE YOU DOUCHE!" As for the foldback distortion, fuckit. That's what's the SCREAM's for! As for the stock samples, WHO USES STOCK SAMPLES WITH ANY PROGRAM! THEY ARE ALWAYS SHIT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU USE!!! So, in conclusion, you don't know what you are talking about."*

 

So you really are an idiot. OK, fine, Rewire it up to Cubase or whatever for sequencing. This leaves the main point of your argument to the shitty EQ's. What you need in a good equalizer is the ability to EQ specific frequencies or frequency ranges. When you have 4 parameters to control the broad spectrum of sound, you simply do not have enough control over you sound. That little Q thing on each parameter doesn't come even close to what I would call meticulous EQing. And this shit about adding 2 EQs doesn't even make sense. I want to boost 14 000Hz -15000Hz 3 Db. How can I do this? Answer: I can't. It's useful for adding a little high end to, say, a hat. Or some extra oomph on a kick or whatever. This is the kind of shit you get to work with. As for the scream, you apparently missed the part about how flat it always sounds. Flat can be good, but like I said, all of your songs just start to sound the same after a while. You can spot the Scream a kilometer away, and no, it's not a good thing.

 

Now most of this isn't Reason's fault. They made it that way, that's it. It's when people like you hail it as the be all and end all of music production. Get it out of your head that it can do anything! Even Rewired, the amount of things this program can do is pathetic compared to all of the possibilities. So why am I trying to explain this to someone who can't understand this? I don't know.

 

Also it's funny when someone disagrees with you and you get mad and pretend to blow up their house.

*My next song is going to be called Helper ET can't figure out REEEEEEAAASON! (So he has to dis it dis it all night long! All night long!)*

megamix

as soon as i hear that someone uses fruity loops i immediately dismiss them. Now keep in mind i dont even make music, but i live with someone who does nothing but. so i suppose its not my prejudice but still.

not to diss helper et cuz hes cool but, well there it is.

whaddup sneaks?

  Zing Zing Zingbah said:

as soon as i hear that someone uses fruity loops i immediately dismiss them. Now keep in mind i dont even make music, but i live with someone who does nothing but. so i suppose its not my prejudice but still.

 

not to diss helper et cuz hes cool but, well there it is.

 

whaddup sneaks?

im not a fan of fruityloops so fire away. I don't have anthing against Helper ET, but he obviously isnt capable of what reason could do, otherwise he wouldn't say that shit.

EDIT: Whaddup Zingy?

i would almost choose hardware over reason 100% of the time.

  chris moss acid said:

i would almost choose hardware over reason 100% of the time.

yeah not everyone has that option though mate.

i wasnt talking about anyone else. i was talking about me. i dont give a shit what you/anyone use/uses. if it sounds good i'll listen to it if it sounds pointy i wont listen to it.

  chris moss acid said:

i wasnt talking about anyone else. i was talking about me. i dont give a shit what you/anyone use/uses.

i cant tell if you're begin a dick or i just took that wrong. again, i dont use anything as i dont make music.

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if it sounds good i'll listen to it if it sounds pointy i wont listen to it.

you must not think ceephax is very pointy then eh?

you guys care way too much about the way music is made. who cares what is used ? is it good ? it's all that matters at the end.

  chris moss acid said:

i would almost choose hardware over reason 100% of the time.

yeah well so would I mate. I can't help but feel you're throwing that in my face. I'd kill someone for your gear!

ok maybe not kill... Maim maybe...

  arbee said:

you guys care way too much about the way music is made. who cares what is used ? is it good ? it's all that matters at the end.

  Zing Zing Zingbah said:

  chris moss acid said:

i wasnt talking about anyone else. i was talking about me. i dont give a shit what you/anyone use/uses.

i cant tell if you're begin a dick or i just took that wrong. again, i dont use anything as i dont make music.

 

 

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if it sounds good i'll listen to it if it sounds pointy i wont listen to it.

you must not think ceephax is very pointy then eh?

nah, you probally took it the wrong way i wasnt trying to be a dick.. i was having a laugh :shade:

..of course i care what people use. i dont perticually like reason, but i havnt really done anything on it.. i used it for about an hour (about 2 years ago) before i decided to uninstall it and use ableton.

no i dont think andy is pointy, i think he is a good musician.

  sneaksta303 said:

  chris moss acid said:

i would almost choose hardware over reason 100% of the time.

 

yeah well so would I mate. I can't help but feel you're throwing that in my face. I'd kill someone for your gear!

 

 

ok maybe not kill... Maim maybe...

 

im not throwing anything in anyones face.

save up your money. i worked hard to be able afford all my gear.

  chris moss acid said:

nah, you probally took it the wrong way i wasnt trying to be a dick.. i was having a laugh :shade:

..of course i care what people use. i dont perticually like reason, but i havnt really done anything on it.. i used it for about an hour (about 2 years ago) before i decided to uninstall it and use ableton.

It takes a LOT longer than 2 days to even scratch the surface. I on the otherhand, can't use Abelton Live. Now, did I say it's worthless, or that it sucks? No!

Dorry to fuck up my reply to you Chris.

  sneaksta303 said:

  chris moss acid said:

nah, you probally took it the wrong way i wasnt trying to be a dick.. i was having a laugh :shade:

..of course i care what people use. i dont perticually like reason, but i havnt really done anything on it.. i used it for about an hour (about 2 years ago) before i decided to uninstall it and use ableton.

 

It takes a LOT longer than 2 days to even scratch the surface. I on the otherhand, can't use Abelton Live. Now, did I say it's worthless, or that it sucks? No!

 

Dorry to fuck up my reply to you Chris.

it took me 6 minutes to work out how to use ableton. then an extra 2 minutes to work out how to use it with hardware. and when i do use it with hardware i dont even use it that much. i only use 1 channel and 1 patch, and that patch isnt even triggering anything, not even a vsti.

i only use it live now anyways. it saves me carrying all my gear around in a suitcase. it was well rubbish carrying it all in a suitecase traviling on trains. broke loads of synths that way.

&

i didnt say you thought ableton was shit. its not shit. reason is.

  chris moss acid said:

  Zing Zing Zingbah said:

  chris moss acid said:

i wasnt talking about anyone else. i was talking about me. i dont give a shit what you/anyone use/uses.

i cant tell if you're begin a dick or i just took that wrong. again, i dont use anything as i dont make music.

 

 

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if it sounds good i'll listen to it if it sounds pointy i wont listen to it.

you must not think ceephax is very pointy then eh?

 

nah, you probally took it the wrong way i wasnt trying to be a dick.. i was having a laugh :shade:

 

..of course i care what people use. i dont perticually like reason, but i havnt really done anything on it.. i used it for about an hour (about 2 years ago) before i decided to uninstall it and use ableton.

 

no i dont think andy is pointy, i think he is a good musician.

cool. i agree about hardware as well.