quantizing

  beneboi said:

  Awepittance said:

  BCM said:

  beneboi said:

fuck quantization

 

edit: fuck anything that lets you record something then hit a button and magically make the notes line up, if you want it to sound right fucking record it right

 

piss off you fucking trolling twat.

 

 

lol, id loved to hear your unquanitized perfectly performed music beneboi do you care posting some of it for us to hear how perfectly in time it is.

 

check my sig, also i post quite a bit in ylc

i like the tracks im hearing, the songs are good but am i to assume that you use no quanitizing in these? if so why do they all sound rigidly quantized? If the end result is a quantized sounding beat, what exactly is the point of not using quantization? maybe you can help explain to me, im a little confused

dont get me wrong, you're music is actually really nicely done, but to my ears it sounds quanitzed albeit with a staggered live feel to it, are you using zero quantization? if so im impressed, but your beat structure still sounds like it was aided by a computer..

i use zero quantization on my beats, i tap all of them out, as well as all of my melodies and sample manipulation.

i didnt mean to say that if you use quantization you arent a real musician per say, but after i quit using it a few years ago and actually force myself to have rhythm and learn to play keys, it does kind of feel like cheating when you can just apply i quantized break to something, or just mash on keys and then rearrange it

  beneboi said:

i use zero quantization on my beats, i tap all of them out, as well as all of my melodies and sample manipulation.

 

i didnt mean to say that if you use quantization you arent a real musician per say, but after i quit using it a few years ago and actually force myself to have rhythm and learn to play keys, it does kind of feel like cheating when you can just apply i quantized break to something, or just mash on keys and then rearrange it

so you use loops i take it? i doubt you have tapped out the whole beat for the entire song... wouldnt you consider taking a section of a 'tapped out 'beat and looping it a form of quantization? i mean you cant do this in real life with life instruments. And once you do 'tap out' a loop do you ever after the fact cut up the audio and rearrange it? when/if you do this do you deliberately leave quanitze/snap off ?

lol

  beneboi said:

lol

? i guess my questions dont deserve an answer

i said "it does kind of feel like cheating" and the only reason i originally said "fuck quantization" was because BCM said fuck people who say fuck quantization. i really dont care at all, i just hold myself to my own stupid standards.

This thread's hilarious. Let's all bum each other.

I get violently angry when someone is off beat. Jesus fucking christ if there is anything worse than a fucking drummer like a hair off on anything. It makes my fucking neck twitch.

I say quantize everything, everywhere, all the time.

quantizing is being lazy and making shit music

burial for exemple doesn't quantize anything

sometimes the feel of the rythm in my head requires a placement of a beat, or a sequence of rubato to follow a pattern that cannot be mapped out with a 128th note. you certainly cant map out a sequence of 5 against 3 with the quantize on.

  messiaen said:

you certainly cant map out a sequence of 5 against 3 with the quantize on.

Why not? Just record a quantized 5 beat measure and a quantized 3 beat measure at the same tempo and loop them playing together. Quantized 5 against 3.

i mean in compound, 5 quavers in the exact time of 3. i suppose you could just take your 5 beats and record it seperately, then you 3 beats, and you could resync them so that they began and ended at the same time, but that would be confusing and its obviously far easier to turn quantise off and do it by ear/sight

plus youd have to faff about with every single beat you created as a polyrhythm, which for me is usually 2 or 3 beats out of every 4 in the bar. just thinking about the amount of effort involved in that has made me shudder enough to come back in and mention it.

  bontempi said:

quantizing is being lazy and making shit music

 

burial for exemple doesn't quantize anything

doesn't he just cut and paste samples in sound forge? or does he record performed parts in to sound forge (i doubt that from what i've read)? quantizing in that situation would be zooming in and cutting things to precise milliseconds and placing markers.

yeah, bontempi is obviously another person who doesn't undertand quantizing... All burial's beats are samples and loops that have already been quantized and he will effectively be quantizing them again by lining/cutting them up to the correct time in soundforge...

actually you dont seem to know what quantization is

burial is copy/pasting samples based on how they sound rhythmically, he (quite) obviously is not syncing it to milliseconds as his beats are (quite) obviously not in time or quantized, he has gone as far as to pretty much explain exactly how he does it, he isnt using loops and the samples he is using for drums are typically individual hits sampled from movies or whatever

  beneboi said:

actually you dont seem to know what quantization is

 

burial is copy/pasting samples based on how they sound rhythmically, he (quite) obviously is not syncing it to milliseconds as his beats are (quite) obviously not in time or quantized, he has gone as far as to pretty much explain exactly how he does it, he isnt using loops and the samples he is using for drums are typically individual hits sampled from movies or whatever

i kind of lost you here, i dont really understand how if you loop a drum pattern you've made you can somehow escape the label of quantization. Burial may place beats without quantization but he then takes these beats and duplicates them multiple times. this still is very away from playing your beats live. All you have done is played it live for a single measure and then let the computer do the rest for you. If when you first tapped in this loop/beat and your first dropped beat didn't land exactly on the 1 or where you intended it to go and you shift that 1 over so its on time, you have just used quantization. i just think its incorrect to go around saying you dont use quantization unless all of your music is played live and not edited after the fact. Even most rock musicians who record normal rock albums use quantization these days/

theres a difference between quantization and looping, but aside from that listening to Burial's stuff i really dont think he loops anything.

computers can work by clicking things to the sample though, i think with that tiny of an amount of time its not exactly quantizing.

  messiaen said:

computers can work by clicking things to the sample though, i think with that tiny of an amount of time its not exactly quantizing.

im not sure what you mean, but in my (highly uneducated) book, quantization is when you play something midi on a sequencer and have it auto-align notes/hits to a beat.

yeah i know, what i meant was that on cubase i think you can choose the pointer to run along the music a sample at a time, so i would say ghostbusters is incorrect in saying that in order to truely use nmo quantisation you have to record completely live with no editing, because to all extensive purposes quantizing to a single sample is such a tiny amount of time that its not reallyl quantising atall. but i think i might be confusing myself a little.

"In digital music processing technology, quantization is the process of aligning a set of musical notes to a precise setting."

anyone fancy a pint?

EDIT: i'm with Awepittance all the way, so Beneboi, Bontempi and anyone else who disagrees - well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

now about that pint.....

  messiaen said:

i mean in compound, 5 quavers in the exact time of 3. i suppose you could just take your 5 beats and record it seperately, then you 3 beats, and you could resync them so that they began and ended at the same time, but that would be confusing and its obviously far easier to turn quantise off and do it by ear/sight

Or you could just get two sequencers that will allow you to change the pattern length on them, that have external sync, and sync one to the other. Set one to play a 5 beat pattern and the other to play a 3 beat pattern.

It's no good TFTT....they're just refusing to believe...hey whatever, they can just have beats that are out of sync, it's fine...