quantizing

lol. ive voiced my legitimate concerns as intelligently and coherently as i canand i believe they are indeed legitimate concerns.

maybe if your making gabba then you are right, but putting quantise on a classical piece is just fucking retarded.

last post.

at no point in this thread have i been referring to classical music - the closest i have come to referring to it is when I was talking about ambient/drone (ie no real rhythm structure or drums) and i said that in most cases I would not quantize that. classical music is arranged completely differently to "electronic music" or techno, jungle, dubstep etc and it would be sacrilegious to apply an automatic grid-based quantization technique to it i agree. i don't think classical music is really relevant in this thread tbh...

  BCM said:

anyone fancy a pint?

 

EDIT: i'm with Awepittance all the way, so Beneboi, Bontempi and anyone else who disagrees - well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

now about that pint.....

i think anyone who disagrees with this and to claim that burial 'does not loop'

is in serious denial.

try taking one of Burials tracks and doing a 'tap tempo' to it on a drum machine or in ableton, you will quickly find out that he has a supernatural ability to do songs in clock perfect midi tempos without using looping! its fucking amazing i dont know how he does it. (sarcasm)

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because to all extensive purposes quantizing to a single sample is such a tiny amount of time that its not reallyl quantising atall. but i think i might be confusing myself a little.

so by using this same air tight logic shifting the down beat of a drum loop to be perfectly on the 1 of a midi grid is not quantization, but then as soon as i reach for the 2nd hit in the beat like the snare drum to align to a new part of the grid it has now become defined as quantization, but before it was not.... very interesting definition indeed

thats what im saying, sure you can techincally tag it as quantizing, but theres what , 41,000 samples in a second? i think that realistically you can say with that level of accuracy that its no longer quantizing.

  messiaen said:

thats what im saying, sure you can techincally tag it as quantizing, but theres what , 41,000 samples in a second? i think that realistically you can say with that level of accuracy that its no longer quantizing.

thats true, but that's not what im saying. im talking about taking a live drum loop or a midi pattern you have tapped out with absolutely no quantization on say Cubase. then you take the very first down beat or 1 of the rythm and purposefully slide it over so that it lands exactly accurately on the 1st part of the measure, you have not auto quantized it, but you have manually using your eye and the time line as a guide just done quantization.

  BCM said:

anyone fancy a pint?

 

EDIT: i'm with Awepittance all the way, so Beneboi, Bontempi and anyone else who disagrees - well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

now about that pint.....

lets drink to laziness

  beneboi said:

  BCM said:

anyone fancy a pint?

 

EDIT: i'm with Awepittance all the way, so Beneboi, Bontempi and anyone else who disagrees - well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

now about that pint.....

 

lets drink to laziness

still trying to pretend you dont quantize....lets drink to self disillusionment !

christ

i dont quantize, maybe you should familiarize yourself with what quantization actually is cool guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_(music)

  beneboi said:

christ

 

i dont quantize, maybe you should familiarize yourself with what quantization actually is cool guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_(music)

I too don't quantize... my high hats are typically all fucked up, the way i like them. I might move my timing around a bit on the grid but I never let my computer decide for me where my notes are placed.

i wish i could switch the internet off.

ps, dylan went electric. cunt.

The wikipedia definition backs up what Awepittancehas been saying the whole time.

"In digital music processing technology, quantization is the process of aligning a set of musical notes to a precise setting. This results in notes being set on beats and on exact fractions of beats."

If you move a note or loop anything, that definition applies.

  scones to die for said:

The wikipedia definition backs up what Awepittancehas been saying the whole time.

 

"In digital music processing technology, quantization is the process of aligning a set of musical notes to a precise setting. This results in notes being set on beats and on exact fractions of beats."

 

If you move a note or loop anything, that definition applies.

so moving a :30 clip of drum pattern that i hand tapped so that it sounds in time with the :30 clip of piano/whatever that i have played and recorded, is quantization?

perhaps it is, and im completely wrong, but what i thought this thread was about was quantizing individual hits into a preset beat

i seem to be wrong, so im sorry guys, i guess i just misunderstood what you meant

  beneboi said:

  scones to die for said:

The wikipedia definition backs up what Awepittancehas been saying the whole time.

 

"In digital music processing technology, quantization is the process of aligning a set of musical notes to a precise setting. This results in notes being set on beats and on exact fractions of beats."

 

If you move a note or loop anything, that definition applies.

 

so moving a :30 clip of drum pattern that i hand tapped so that it sounds in time with the :30 clip of piano/whatever that i have played and recorded, is quantization?

 

perhaps it is, and im completely wrong, but what i thought this thread was about was quantizing individual hits into a preset beat

 

i seem to be wrong, so im sorry guys, i guess i just misunderstood what you meant

Nah, that's not quantizing. That's a realtime recording. If you loop the part or move one of the notes it would be - technically - but we're splitting hairs here, aren't we?

just because sections are looped doesn't mean the track is quantized. the downbeat of the first measure of each loop (whether the loop is 1 bar or 16 bars) might line up... but doesn't mean a whole lot if nothing else in the loop matches up.

if anything looped fell under the definition of quantization... that would mean that the tape loop pieces of reich et all were quantized... which they really weren't.

  scones to die for said:

but we're splitting hairs here, aren't we?

You suckas got trolled hard.

wouldn't it be cool if we could quantize things in real life? cum shots, for example... i mean, really, who hasn't experienced one of those being just slightly off from where you hoped it would end up.

  messiaen said:

i mean in compound, 5 quavers in the exact time of 3. i suppose you could just take your 5 beats and record it seperately, then you 3 beats, and you could resync them so that they began and ended at the same time, but that would be confusing and its obviously far easier to turn quantise off and do it by ear/sight

Now, where do the trains meet? We again use the distance formula to find how far each train has traveled in two hours:

For Train A: 70 mph x 2 hrs = 140 miles

For Train B: 60 mph x 2 hrs = 120 miles

Thus the two trains meet at a point 140 miles from Westford and 120 miles from Eastford.

  erichodge said:

wouldn't it be cool if we could quantize things in real life? cum shots, for example... i mean, really, who hasn't experienced one of those being just slightly off from where you hoped it would end up.

lol

  firefunker4 said:

just because sections are looped doesn't mean the track is quantized. the downbeat of the first measure of each loop (whether the loop is 1 bar or 16 bars) might line up... but doesn't mean a whole lot if nothing else in the loop matches up.

 

if anything looped fell under the definition of quantization... that would mean that the tape loop pieces of reich et all were quantized... which they really weren't.

thats true just because something is a loop in and of itself doesnt mean its quantized, but if that loop is EXACTLY in digital midi interger BPM time, it has undeniably been aided with quantization from a computer.

read back what i said about Burial and how you can prove he loops things in a tempo perfect setting.

what he said

due to the rising popularity of folks like j-dilla and the glitch mob there's a whole generation of kids growing up spoon-fed phrases like "off the grid" and "non-quantized" as if they're new concepts

and while i like making my own "grooves" i hate the idea as a movement

quantize is just another tool in a vast vast arsenal

i'm of the "place everything in it's place" school of thought here

put it where it sounds good

if it sounds good snapped to a grid put it there

if it sounds great somewhere between the 16th and the second 32nd then put it there

if you want to wobble your shit between 4/4 and 6/8 and you're too lazy to just move the pieces than by all means: go quantize

  pantsonmyhead said:

due to the rising popularity of folks like j-dilla and the glitch mob there's a whole generation of kids growing up spoon-fed phrases like "off the grid" and "non-quantized" as if they're new concepts

yes, but what also bothers me a little bit about this claim is that well... they are lying and are deluding themselves. they use a lot of computer aided timing in their music, maybe not as much as other musicians but its still very noticeable. for others reading this, yes im going to stay firm to the true definition of quantization

it would actually be kind of cool if this half arsed 'movement' actually did what they claimed and made totally un quantized electronic music

edit: ok

i still dont quantize, unless you count listening to a metronome while i record quantizing