Glitch plugins

  Kcinsu said:

Like I said before.... I rather someone download supatrigga, run it for 15 mins, cut up that audio, and repiece it together, than for someone to construct their own random algorithm, and just let it run.

 

 

 

I mean, take samples for example. You didnt make the content of the sample, but you use it in a way to get something musical from it... with your intent.

 

Anyways, I don't know. Just reading your posts, it makes me feel like you are more concerned with the principle, than the result... and for me, its always about the result, when it comes to music. Maybe Im interpreting you wrong... I dont intend to put words in your mouth.

i think this is the key issue here

back when RDJ album was still super fresh it was the hottest thing in electronic music at the time i knew a guy from Sacremento who was managing to duplicate aphex twin's techniques almost to the letter. He too had some kind of drum machine or midi sequencer hardware box that allowed him to do automated rolls and triplet flashes on his beats.

He used it to such an excess and in such an Aphex twin derivative way that the end result was not very interesting.

Even though at the time i never heard anyone else doing the massive stutters that aphex was doing and i also had no idea how it was technically being accomplished, his music, his final product, the end result of all these processes he had discovered himself while trying to reverse engineer aphex twin frankly was very boring.

He worked very hard to duplicate these crazy glitches all on his own with no glitch plugins

but it was his intent i believe that mattered most

  Awepittance said:

  Kcinsu said:

Like I said before.... I rather someone download supatrigga, run it for 15 mins, cut up that audio, and repiece it together, than for someone to construct their own random algorithm, and just let it run.

 

I mean, take samples for example. You didnt make the content of the sample, but you use it in a way to get something musical from it... with your intent.

 

Anyways, I don't know. Just reading your posts, it makes me feel like you are more concerned with the principle, than the result... and for me, its always about the result, when it comes to music. Maybe Im interpreting you wrong... I dont intend to put words in your mouth.

 

i think this is the key issue here

 

back when RDJ album was still super fresh it was the hottest thing in electronic music at the time i knew a guy from Sacremento who was managing to duplicate aphex twin's techniques almost to the letter. He too had some kind of drum machine or midi sequencer hardware box that allowed him to do automated rolls and triplet flashes on his beats.

He used it to such an excess and in such an Aphex twin derivative way that the end result was not very interesting.

Even though at the time i never heard anyone else doing the massive stutters that aphex was doing and i also had no idea how it was technically being accomplished, his music, his final product, the end result of all these processes he had discovered himself while trying to reverse engineer aphex twin frankly was very boring.

He worked very hard to duplicate these crazy glitches all on his own with no glitch plugins

but it was his intent i believe that mattered most

kcinsu - i started to reply to your post, but some shit went down with my browser and it got erased and i couldn't reproduce it and it was frustrating the hell out of me, so i just gave up, but i'll respond to this with a little of what i was touching on in the deleted post.

i know what you mean with that aphex twin example and that's part of what bothers me about glitch plugins. to me it's like if an aphexifier plugin existed that could randomly generate rdj-esque melodies, it's just kinda lame to me. i feel like glitch plugins are basically like autechrefier plugins or richard divinifier, or insert long established glitchy pioneer-ifier, you know? it's just too easy to hear someone else's music and say "oooh, i like that, i want my music to sound like that" and then find a program that basically does it for you. i'm not saying it couldn't be used well in the right hands, but it's just such a contrived thing that i have a hard time swallowing it. i dunno, maybe i just have a hard time seeing it as anything other than a tool to duplicate something that's already been established, which i think is a lazy, uninspired way to make music. there doesn't seem to be any other intent, but to reproduce someone else's sound and do it with the most minimal of effort.

re: principle vs. result - my stance is very much based on the principle of the matter, but i think that the principle by which you approach your music has a lot to do with the way it ends up sounding or "reading" in the end. to me, musicians are artists and art is about more than just the final product, process is a big part of it. otherwise, there'd be absolutely no difference between an original goya painting and a reproduction printed onto canvas. the picture may be exactly the same, but i guarantee if you put them side by side they wouldn't look the same. they wouldn't feel the same.

i've got more to say, but i gotta run. maybe more later.

I dont see how the picture analargy relates to this particular argument, you have to take into account originality, who created the idea.

Idea - Finished Product, everything inbetween is irrelevant, if something is a copy then theres no idea there, simpply a finished product.

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i dont understand why so many people are against glitch plugins

they do things that used to take me ages in soundforge

i can set up their parameters myself so it sounds good

then hit run, record what it does for a bit then chop out the snippets i like

then rearrange those bits into my arrangement so it sounds really good

same end result that i used to get but its saved me a day or two soundforge editing

sweet

stop being so logical, you're supposed to hate glitch plugins

i enjoy soundforge editing

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i think the problem with glitch plugins is that a lot of people just dont change from the presets. they have great potential when used like a synth, but when nobody takes the time to adjust them, even subtlely, they just become generic sounds. like autotune.