we are all god

  LUDD said:

it's something to do with the difference between the arrangement of quantum events and the order of how we perceive them in 4 dimensions, considering that space (3 dimensions) and time are the same thing exploded

*chokes*

what's that leading to?

  277: 930-933 said:

How can I be talking to Latisha on MSN if we´re the same person i dont get it

Jo/Jo and tifannt are going to see the mpvie m butb im not therere.,´´

Your confusion steams from the misidentification of your self with the contents of your mind. It is true that what you are calling "I" is not the same as Latisha but what you call "I" is not what you really are.

i'm god when i use a delay line

  doorjamb said:

Figments.

 

All it is.

do you like figs

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we are all the same person

and we are stupid enough to not realize this so we create divisions, instead of breaking these fictional divisions, resulting in non stop orgies (no homo for me)

if we are all the same entity, why has our brain decided to form the belief that we are individuals?

the irresistable attraction to selfhood

according to stephen wolfram, we are all cellular automata

yeah this is all pretty standard buddhist stuff.

i agree with the letting go of your aversions and your desires i.e. that you should seek inner happiness instead of assuming you'll be happy when you've made a name for yourself, or when you have this job, or this amount of money, etc, and that if you constantly react to your aversions you're essentially controlled/directed by them.

but i could never quite come to terms with the lack of self. selfishness is bad, yeah, and i agree everyone's happiness depends on everyone else i.e. if you live in a house of miserable people, you become miserable, and then you'll affect your work colleagues, who may become miserable, etc, etc. so i see how we're all connected and our actions affect our future, and the future of others, and that may well come back to affect us i.e. i agree with karma broadly.

so i see how we are interconnected, and as such we do not exist independently of everyone else, in the sense we are defined by them and how we act with them. but this, to me, is only slightly altering the definition of "self" to include our interactions with others, and how they affect and define us. and i see the "lack of self" as meaning that my subjective experiences are illusionary, which again buddhism argues for. and i find that difficult to accept.

you guys should read "the monk and the philosopher" which i'm reading at the moment, and where most of these buddhist musings have come from.

oh, and, if you read the tibetan yogas of dream and sleep, the guy says life is essential a dream because we react to it dependent on how past event have effect us. i.e. if we're abused as kids we may not want to have kids ourselves, or just end up hating the kind of person who abused us. so in that sense, how we view life is an illusion created by our past reactions i.e. our karma. but, again, i still don't see how that makes the self illusionary.

  Dreddy Schwager said:

  277: 930-933 said:

How can I be talking to Latisha on MSN if we´re the same person i dont get it

Jo/Jo and tifannt are going to see the mpvie m butb im not therere.,´´

 

Your confusion steams from the misidentification of your self with the contents of your mind. It is true that what you are calling "I" is not the same as Latisha but what you call "I" is not what you really are.

I'm HotGuy12204188, on MSN anyways.

i cant stand "life is subjective" nonsense. if i wasnt relating to the world then yes we could actually talk about this, but what i do can have an impact on somebody elses life. i can go out and kill a man. theres nothing subjective about it. my subjective experience of killing a man means he has a subjective experience of getting killed? newton was correct, and philosophers should be scientists instead

I fail to see why people make the assumption that since our actions in the physical world strongly affect each other there should also be a spiritual connection.

Can't we be a world full of gods who have our own universes inside our heads that happen to interact on a physical plane?

So... every time two or more people hate each other, they... the unified.. thing is actually hating itself. Is self hatred the only thing stopping us from world peace?

Also, what about animals? Are they part of it too?

  Mr Salads said:

i cant stand "life is subjective" nonsense. if i wasnt relating to the world then yes we could actually talk about this, but what i do can have an impact on somebody elses life. i can go out and kill a man. theres nothing subjective about it. my subjective experience of killing a man means he has a subjective experience of getting killed? newton was correct, and philosophers should be scientists instead

i'll try to stop basically quoting from the monk and philosopher soon. but apparently buddhism argues that the subjective world is real to us, but only because we're ignorant of the higher truth, whatever that is exactly. basically, like science believes matter never really disappears, they believe consciousness never disappears, leading to the possibility of reincarnation. so although someone does die we only think that's it because we don't realise in the eternal continuation of our consciousness. (which are like streams of a river - slightly different in their instances - but part of the sea -- the books full of analogues which don't always explain things as much as you may like incidentially...)

although i like this stuff, i believe that believing in life after death, or just a continuation of consciousness, is damaging to your experience of this life. you could end up not focusing completely on this life. if you're an atheist then i'd expect you'd be more likely to tresure every moment, discounting whatever other issues that atheist has which may deminish his or her quality of life. nevertheless, reincarnation or life after death is probably to irresistable to most.

  Dragon said:

Also, what about animals? Are they part of it too?

apparently yes, but they are even more ignorant of their "true existence" than we are.

He's talking about the blanket.

  277: 930-933 said:

I fail to see why people make the assumption that since our actions in the physical world strongly affect each other there should also be a spiritual connection.

well, science claims that our consciousness comes from an evolution of physical matter. buddhism believes consciousness has always been there, and it's most pronounced with those who have developed language. and our actions come from our consciousness. and so our spirituality and actions are interlinked.

  autopilot said:

He's talking about the blanket.

 

Blankets are warm and comforting...

Unlike reality on earth....

I heart Huckabees should have spoken about the 'Body Bag' theory....

would have more accurate to the film's images but not as comforting....

Simple enough, if we are made out of the same materials, stars, animals and shit, etc....then yes we are all the same thing....but there seems to have been a joker about and decided that it needed to experience itself and invented perception.....

ET should not write for LOST and perhaps share some of the LSD he has been partaking in....

that would make for one hell of a thread....

otherwise this one is going to die like all of the other ones I started years ago....

my perception and life are still the as they were when I first started writing abut metaphysics....

just a lot more has been added to it, like the fact that most people will not understand what I have come to realize and I should stay silent most of time.....

take a note ET...

Newton was an alchemist....

what the fuck is this

pantheism or what. you better watch the ride, prik face.

  ET said:

we are all the same person

I conscientiously object to participating.

Often the concepts are incredibly hard to verbalize without 1) coming across condescending or 2) coming across clinically insane. I rest content that there are other people out there that understand, though.

hugz!

*cops a feel*

  dese manz hatin said:

what the fuck is this

 

pantheism or what. you better watch the ride, prik face.

No no no, what the fuck is this???

Seriously...

What are you saying?

  autopilot said:

*cops a feel*

Thaz mah ballz!