live deep fried fish

lol. I'm not asian. I merely lived in South Korea for a long ass time. So I've had extensive experience with Korean and Canadian culture. Yes animals are viewed differently over there. Hey guess what, they eat the whole fish. What's worse, catching a fish, skinning it, gutting it, cutting off the head and tail and then eating it, or eating the whole fish?

I don't know that the fish is suffering. And I have no moral imperative to stop it, why would I want to deny people their meal? And yeah it's entertaining when you see something like that for the first time, it's novel. I'm not trying to shock you, I'm trying to show you that I have experience with those kinds of situations and might have a bit more perspective than you. Would I laugh in that situation? Probably not, but I would be fascinated.

If you want to see videos of chickens in slaughter-house facilities being laughed at, there are lots online.

I don't approve of female circumcision (nor forced male circumcision, those poor jews). For me the line is quite simple: when a human subject matures, it will have the ability to consent or dissent rationally. This fish never will.

I do believe in human exceptionalism, of course there need to be limits to ensure the sustainability of practices. Shark-fin soup I find to be quite wasteful, because it is reducing a resource. troon: you're all about the bible right? Why don't you go check out Genesis 1:26-28?

George: careful you don't fall into the classic mode of british colonizer so easily - "they don't know any better, we have to train them". And thank you, I do know quite well.

How about:

What makes us human?

The ability to transmit cultural traits and abstract ideas from generation to generation.

a final note to troon: we did not get into this situation through nation-states doing whatever they want, we got to where we are right now because of the ideas that Western Europe had that "Our way is the correct way and by god we're going to train those noble savages".

well said

  On 11/18/2009 at 2:06 AM, Rabid said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 2:05 AM, troon said:

ad·mon·ish (ād-mŏn'ĭsh)

tr.v. ad·mon·ished, ad·mon·ish·ing, ad·mon·ish·es

1 To reprove gently but earnestly.

 

2 To counsel (another) against something to be avoided; caution.

 

3 To remind of something forgotten or disregarded, as an obligation or a responsibility.

Admonish, eh? Sounds like something a self-righteous prick would do.

thats a common reaction and also why we really never let each other in

what do they say about a man left to his own devices?

'rabid', you should listen to the first few seconds of GX1 solo on repeat for awhile.

  On 11/18/2009 at 2:29 AM, chenGOD said:

lol. I'm not asian. I merely lived in South Korea for a long ass time. So I've had extensive experience with Korean and Canadian culture. Yes animals are viewed differently over there. Hey guess what, they eat the whole fish. What's worse, catching a fish, skinning it, gutting it, cutting off the head and tail and then eating it, or eating the whole fish?

I don't know that the fish is suffering. And I have no moral imperative to stop it, why would I want to deny people their meal? And yeah it's entertaining when you see something like that for the first time, it's novel. I'm not trying to shock you, I'm trying to show you that I have experience with those kinds of situations and might have a bit more perspective than you. Would I laugh in that situation? Probably not, but I would be fascinated.

If you want to see videos of chickens in slaughter-house facilities being laughed at, there are lots online.

 

 

I don't approve of female circumcision (nor forced male circumcision, those poor jews). For me the line is quite simple: when a human subject matures, it will have the ability to consent or dissent rationally. This fish never will.

I do believe in human exceptionalism, of course there need to be limits to ensure the sustainability of practices. Shark-fin soup I find to be quite wasteful, because it is reducing a resource. troon: you're all about the bible right? Why don't you go check out Genesis 1:26-28?

 

 

George: careful you don't fall into the classic mode of british colonizer so easily - "they don't know any better, we have to train them". And thank you, I do know quite well.

 

How about:

What makes us human?

The ability to transmit cultural traits and abstract ideas from generation to generation.

 

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Why don't you check out Genesis 1:29. why did you stop at 28?

Remember, new world translations are corrupt. use a OLD King James Version

pre-1950

 

clearly states a plant based diet, right there.

 

does not mention the eating of animals anywhere here in

the first and most uncompromising instructions regarding food given by God for man.

later on in the Bible you have all kinds of concessions and compromises,

because of hard times, floods human lusts or whatever... but plants, nuts, roots

and fruits ect.. are Gods original intention as foods for man.

 

i understand chen, you are immovable on this. lets just move on....i can except

where i can't go with you. sometimes we have to know when someone just does not want to change

How about because the idea of dominion can include eating them?

And I think you're unwilling to see that there is no one right way, and that the beauty of the world arose from different cultures. You want to homogenise the way people behave, and I will throw in some pop culture here: "if your world was all black and your world was all white, well then you wouldn't get much colour out of life now right"

can someone define admonish please

oh wait never mind it's been posted already thanks!

chenGOD I did not mean to appear derogatory towards you at all, and I was not suggesting that you didn't know any better (it looks like I meant that now that I read back, but I didn't at all). I was merely looking at it from a culturally different perspective is all. I know you're not stupid, but it this sort of thing definetly is socially acceptable in your climate and therefore from my point of view your feelings towards such activities are not that of mine.

I definetly don't think you need teaching lol :). That is your job, is it not? :P

can someone define admonish please

oh wait nevermind it's been posted already thanks!

  On 11/18/2009 at 3:18 AM, abusivegeorge said:

chenGOD I did not mean to appear derogatory towards you at all, and I was not suggesting that you didn't know any better (it looks like I meant that now that I read back, but I didn't at all). I was merely looking at it from a culturally different perspective is all. I know you're not stupid, but it this sort of thing definetly is socially acceptable in your climate and therefore from my point of view your feelings towards such activities are not that of mine.

 

I definetly don't think you need teaching lol :). That is your job, is it not? :P

fair play. Although since I'm currently in Canada, i think that sort of activity would be frowned upon.lol

You're in Canada? Oh right, um yeah don't go serving this up to your friends over there or anything anytime soon lol.

when the fuck did watmm turn into the vegan fascist society?

  On 11/18/2009 at 3:31 AM, oscillik said:

when the fuck did watmm turn into the vegan fascist society?

5:09PM 17th November 2009.

essines and kaen are needed badly in this thread to bash some skulls and bust through some drywall respectively

  On 11/18/2009 at 2:57 AM, chenGOD said:

How about because the idea of dominion can include eating them?

 

And I think you're unwilling to see that there is no one right way, and that the beauty of the world arose from different cultures. You want to homogenise the way people behave, and I will throw in some pop culture here: "if your world was all black and your world was all white, well then you wouldn't get much colour out of life now right"

i'm going to be bold here.........fuck color.

i want whats right for the living things that i love and support!

if color means killing my friends then i could do without that color.

chen, i apologize ....i've just had this conversation to many times.

i love the animals with my heart, not my stomach

dominion means to protect and support not to

destroy what we have the ability to help.

it does not say to kill (there are allowances when it is absolutely

necessary, we have made those lines grey.)

Dominion does not mean eat

do⋅min⋅ion  [duh-min-yuhn] Show IPA

Use dominion in a Sentence

–noun

1. the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.

2. rule; control; domination.

3. a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway.

4. lands or domains subject to sovereignty or control.

5. Government. a territory constituting a self-governing commonwealth and being one of a number of

such territories united in a community of nations, or empire: formerly applied to self-governing

divisions of the British Empire, as Canada and New Zealand.

6. dominions, Theology. domination (def. 3).

i must say, i am genuinely amused

  On 11/18/2009 at 3:31 AM, oscillik said:

when the fuck did watmm turn into the vegan fascist society?

vegan is very IDM

  On 11/18/2009 at 4:02 AM, troon said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 3:31 AM, oscillik said:

when the fuck did watmm turn into the vegan fascist society?

 

 

vegan is very IDM

yes! don't stop! give it to me harder

And that's precisely why I'm glad people like you aren't in charge. What a boring ass world it would be.

Look at definition number 2: rule; control; domination.

  On 11/18/2009 at 4:02 AM, troon said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 3:31 AM, oscillik said:

when the fuck did watmm turn into the vegan fascist society?

 

 

vegan is very IDM

moby is vegan, ergo vegan is not IDM. QED

That shit is fucked up.

Why, China? Why?

i just want to know what all you octopus-lovers would do if an octopus was tentacle-fucking your girl? Shit happens all the time in asia; it's payback.

  On 11/18/2009 at 5:08 AM, jefferoo said:

That shit is fucked up.

Why, China? Why?

  On 11/18/2009 at 5:16 AM, lumpenprol said:

i just want to know what all you octopus-lovers would do if an octopus was tentacle-fucking your girl? Shit happens all the time in asia; it's payback.

It really wouldn't bother me, I'd admit my defeat, if she really loved it more than me who am I to question such a creature with the ability to lure my beatiful princess to its jelly ugly body.

But then I'd slit it's throat, roast it in vinegar oil and eat it on toast.

  On 11/18/2009 at 5:21 AM, beatfanatic said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 5:08 AM, jefferoo said:

That shit is fucked up.

Why, China? Why?

 

yea........bring it.

this is not a 'china' issue (although they are brutal)

this is a life issue and everyone is being held liable.

i think that it is important that we all start to question our behavior

and our use of time in all ways, not just food issues.

to help build and support instead of destroy. (there are many details to understand in this)

food is important. it has a massive effect on the world

and we spend a heck of alot of time thinking about it

and interacting with it.

so yes..... this is important.

lets talk about it

wow.

I must say I've only watched the OP and not read the banter.... the idea of eating a live creature is repulsive to me. It's one thing to kill and eat, but to intentionally inflict more pain than is necessary to gain sustenance is kind of evil.