live deep fried fish

chen why can't you accept that people here find this wrong, as readily as you can conclude that they are wrong for thinking it so?

  On 11/18/2009 at 9:38 PM, chaosmachine said:

so, let's take this conversation to the next level.

 

assume:

 

all pain is temporary.

you only live once.

you only die once.

 

questions:

 

if you have to die, why not die in the most interesting and entertaining manner possible? you only get to do it once, why not elect for the maximum experience?

 

assume:

 

there is an all powerful, immortal god.

god creates the universe in order to experience it, from all perspectives, in all ways.

if you need a reason, think about why you read a book or go to the movie. you appreciate the unexpected, the unknown. imagine knowing everything. you'd crave a little of the unexpected, too.

 

so, god goes to the movies. he suspends his infinite powers. decides to play all the parts. decides to experience the fullness of his creation. and holds nothing back.

 

god is the man, and god is the fish.

 

question:

 

does morality exist in such a universe, or is it merely an illusion imposed by our intentionally limited perspective?

lol? what utter pish.

As a vegan, I'm declaring war on asians for killing the poor little fishy.

Scummy bastards.

i wonder what iaiain c would say about this

the "net of meanings" was my shortened form of clifford geertz': "culture is a self-woven tapestry of meaning".

im just writing my final examn (M.A in sociology) on human rights and universalism vs. cultural relativism is a part of it. in that context cultural relativism has not the best connotation, at least there are only few social scientists who stay on that side. but as the discussion is merely a western thing, its getting complicated again ;)

lol, just saw that human rights were mentioned in the meantime.

i think it's dangerous if when something is popularly excepted in a culture

and through years and years is naturalized into common tradition that it

then can be called unquestionable and untouchable.

(and unapproachable by outside cultures)

are we not all here to help each other and grow together?

cultural traditions are being developed right now.

the car is a tradition, i could give 1000 more examples.

we need to open up our hearts so we can grow past old patterns

in falseness and find a new beginning together where those humans

with the most power don't dictate future tradition.

(like is being done now and has been done in the past)

instead we must become soft and sensitive enough in our hearts again to know The Truth

in all things without question. (a natural internal scale if you will)

most i fear can not really weigh things out anymore on this scale.

what they believe has been programmed in and dictated to them

through the winners of past struggles to introduce and protect 'tradition'.

(and i speak to all of us, not just one side or the other on this thread)

some traditions are healthy, some are not...but they are not to

just be blindly excepted.

and it is not taboo to question them with our hearts and our minds.

stop writing in stanzas you pretentious tosser

  On 11/18/2009 at 10:38 PM, keltoi said:

stop writing in stanzas you pretentious tosser

im going to stanza on you while you toss my salad

cruelty is a facet of nature, sadly it's one humanity excels at.

emo.

  On 11/18/2009 at 9:35 PM, keltoi said:

no different to torturing a cat imo. in some cultures this may be acceptable, but in mine it is not. therefore i am perfectly within my rights to say this is wrong.

 

why you 'well travelled, open-minded' people are obsessing over this one word i don't know.

But yet it's okay to eat pork that comes from pigs who spend the entirety of their lives in their own shit?

Shitty things are constantly done to animals domestically and yet this stupid fish is the convenient subject for everyones moral outrage.

This (carp) fish is a metaphor for compassion.

And it really exposed a few peoples twisted logic, it really brought a few fucked up idealisms into the open. Mainly the whole goofy "yeah, im not 100% asian but i did hang out there a lot and i can really appreciate how these guys exist, man, i was there. I Really appreciate their culture. I don't think we can judge the cruelty here. But these guys are some really cultured dudes who know what their about, don't piss them off, man. Hey, im just expessin my opinions. Now excuse me while i get back to my thesis on sports science"

It just aint happenin.

  On 11/18/2009 at 6:21 AM, Braintree said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 1:59 AM, Rabid said:

Aw shit guys, you have a lot to learn about the world. Eating live fish is torture? Get off your computers and do something worthwhile.

 

Eh? It's not the eating of a live thing that's bothersome. It's the catching and frying while it's still alive. You're basically just torturing it before it's eaten, rather than just eating the damn thing.

While I wouldn't cause any animal needless pain, I don't think that complaining about something like this is worthwhile. That's why I said, if torture bothers you then get up and go help other people instead of worrying about animals, especially animals that probably don't feel pain the way we do.

Oh and animals don't feel sorry for themselves - like modern humans do.

keltoi: because wrong is not the right word. Different. Diiiiiiiiffffffffeeeeeerrrrrrrreeeeeeeennnnnnnntttttttttttt.

eichel: did your prof not go over the fact that cultural relativism has been co-opted to be equivocated with moral relativism? They are quite distinct. remember that cultural relativism in Boas' terms is a method, not a doctrine.

In none of my posts did I say the cultures are equal..or at least I hope I didn't. They are different.

  On 11/18/2009 at 10:34 PM, troon said:

<snip>

You basically want to force your morals and ideals on other people. read up on the spanish inquisition.

  On 11/18/2009 at 11:16 PM, Dr Clitterhaus said:

This (carp) fish is a metaphor for compassion.

And it really exposed a few peoples twisted logic, it really brought a few fucked up idealisms into the open. Mainly the whole goofy "yeah, im not 100% asian but i did hang out there a lot and i can really appreciate how these guys exist, man, i was there. I Really appreciate their culture. I don't think we can judge the cruelty here. But these guys are some really cultured dudes who know what their about, don't piss them off, man. Hey, im just expessin my opinions. Now excuse me while i get back to my thesis on sports science"

It just aint happenin.

Since this post is directed at me, I'm going to respond personally, and not as a moderator on the board.

Fuck you.

I didn't "hang out there". I lived there. For a total of 10 years. So it's not so much that I appreciate "their" culture it's more that I became acculturated (for the record, Koreans tend to think of Chinese as being quite low in their eating habits). I don't know if you can understand the difference between those two concepts.

Now go back to watching your WWE you ignorant prick.

ChenGOD DON'T POST, your post count is ideal for this thread right now lol.

Oh you did it, twice. shit.

  On 11/18/2009 at 11:21 PM, Rabid said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 10:34 PM, troon said:

<snip>

You basically want to force your morals and ideals on other people. read up on the spanish inquisition.

force? spanish inquisition? militant islam? roman catholic church?

look up the word admonish my friend and that will be your answer.

no one can be forced to Truly except anything. you can't force

someone to change what is written in their heart. a version at best, but not really.

why would anyone want to anyway. it's about genuinely trying to help those who

will be helped, not forcing them.

i would only want someone to Truly believe.

all force is going around in circles.

we must equip ourselves with knowledge so

The Truth can stand self evident.

troon: accept and except mean different things...

No offense troon but I dont read your posts, learn to be concise and then I wont have to skim them.

*admonishes*

  On 11/18/2009 at 9:49 PM, keltoi said:

lol? what utter pish.

eh, I was hoping someone would at least try to debate the points.

  On 11/18/2009 at 11:46 PM, chaosmachine said:

  On 11/18/2009 at 9:49 PM, keltoi said:

lol? what utter pish.

 

eh, I was hoping someone would at least try to debate the points.

and the truth comes out. troon is a chaosmachine dupe.

well played, sir. well played.

edit: oh goddamn, i didn't read the author of that post. it WAS chaosmachine. i just assumed it was troon because of the format and philosophical pretense. umm, nevermind?

lol. awesome. a discussion of nihilism is just too much to expect from this thread, i guess.

  On 11/18/2009 at 9:38 PM, chaosmachine said:

so, let's take this conversation to the next level.

 

assume:

 

all pain is temporary.

you only live once.

you only die once.

 

questions:

 

if you have to die, why not die in the most interesting and entertaining manner possible? you only get to do it once, why not elect for the maximum experience?

 

assume:

 

there is an all powerful, immortal god.

god creates the universe in order to experience it, from all perspectives, in all ways.

if you need a reason, think about why you read a book or go to the movie. you appreciate the unexpected, the unknown. imagine knowing everything. you'd crave a little of the unexpected, too.

 

so, god goes to the movies. he suspends his infinite powers. decides to play all the parts. decides to experience the fullness of his creation. and holds nothing back.

 

god is the man, and god is the fish.

 

question:

 

does morality exist in such a universe, or is it merely an illusion imposed by our intentionally limited perspective?

This is about Joyrex and the secret forum, isn't it?

kind of a triple facepalm as we're not getting anywhere here, or am I maybe just too self-centered. I just want to add an example of my experience of folks putting grass straws in wasps to make them fly straight up, cutting of limbs from frogs, playing baseball with frogs, carrying wild baby-mice in small boxes to show off for each other.

the N.E.D.M.-cat story is another example. Oh and I should not forget the video that started this thread.

To some, torture is clearly okay, to others it's not. I think this shows to what extent you respect life, and not only your own little universe - again, unaware (e.g. childhood/cultural influence) or not (kind of the more depressing alternative, being aware of the torturing).