Apple's iPad

They did show star trek as the movie demo.

I like the condensed font on that star trek

one better

Star Trek Next Generation technology aesthetics seem to have been very influential on actual new technology. i still think that most of the early Flash style webpages were very reminiscent of the star trek computer interface gui

  On 1/29/2010 at 6:27 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 1/29/2010 at 2:29 AM, karmakramer said:

Joyrex why do you always seem to come up with excuses for corporate tech products?

 

"Corporate tech products"? What the fuck is that? Fuck off.

I was going to say corporations, but then mid-thought said tech products. Regardless, saying that its okay for Apple to not include certain functionalities cause they will put them in later in updates, is kind of hilarious. Especially considering the amount of expectations people had for this product. I'm sure the iPad in 10 years will be mindblowing awesome, but for what they announced, I really don't get how it could appeal to most educated tech savy people here (unless you just really like the idea of a tablet and have money to blow)... buy a cheaper netbook instead and have an actual PC.

well, i kind of like the idea of having a multi-media device, that is not my computer.

seperate work from play. keep the laptop clean except for my music programs... use an ipad for all movie/music/internet/gaming needs.

I can see myself maybe browsing watmm on this thing on the mornings and do some casual browsing but other than that i would find no use for it.

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

well, i kind of like the idea of having a multi-media device, that is not my computer.

 

seperate work from play. keep the laptop clean except for my music programs... use an ipad for all movie/music/internet/gaming needs.

Even if you get the highest model is 64BG really enough for all your music and movie needs? I can't believe they have 16 and 32GB models wtf

My classic iPod for example has 120GB... twice as much space.

i think no flash is a bad decision business-wise. it's a good decision when it comes to the future of interwebs - everything flash does now will eventually be replaced by tasteful and necessary flash, html5, and maybe some other forthcoming technologies - and apple have a history of trying to push conceptually good or pure stuff into the market in this manner. as neal stephenson noted, there was no command prompt in the original mac OS, and that was very much a statement of intent. but at the moment, no flash means no stupid stickman games or ridiculously awful religious sites or closer to home no streaming sites outside youtube (unless they submit an app) or even fucking embedded youtube of any sort

i like the sort of idealism that underlied this decision and i have no doubt it came straight from jobs. but i think he jumped the gun on this one, and i reckon v2 of the iPad will grudginly include Flash.

I think it's more of a performance issue. The flash virtual machine is very CPU en memory hungry. A lot of flash developers today are optimizing their content for medium to high-end processors and loads of RAM. I don't know how Adobe is thinking to make an average flash movie run on a iPhone or iPad without making everything hang, draining the battery and avoiding out of memory errors. They can't even make the OSX and Linux versions work like they should. They announced a full Flash Player 10 for android ages ago and it still hasn't been released.

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:22 AM, karmakramer said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

well, i kind of like the idea of having a multi-media device, that is not my computer.

 

seperate work from play. keep the laptop clean except for my music programs... use an ipad for all movie/music/internet/gaming needs.

 

Even if you get the highest model is 64BG really enough for all your music and movie needs? I can't believe they have 16 and 32GB models wtf

or you could just do the smart thing and set up media server and access it with the wi-fi...

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:15 AM, Ego said:

I don't know how Adobe is thinking to make an average flash movie run on a iPhone or iPad.... without making everything hang, draining the battery and avoiding out of memory errors. They can't even make the OSX and Linux versions work like they should. They announced a full Flash Player 10 for android ages ago and it still hasn't been released.

yeah you nailed it there. when you're writing for a device like this you should be coding with as few layers of abstraction as possible. when one line at the third layer of abstraction adds about a hundred at the assembly level, and every cycle saps a little battery, efficient coding should be the norm. but at present as far as i can see, it isn't.

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:27 AM, pigster said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:22 AM, karmakramer said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

well, i kind of like the idea of having a multi-media device, that is not my computer.

 

seperate work from play. keep the laptop clean except for my music programs... use an ipad for all movie/music/internet/gaming needs.

 

Even if you get the highest model is 64BG really enough for all your music and movie needs? I can't believe they have 16 and 32GB models wtf

 

or you could just do the smart thing and set up media server and access it with the wi-fi...

yeah no big deal just another couple hundred bucks so you can listen to music and read a book or go on the internet or take another hit of coke and pretend like you needed to spend 1200 fucking dollars to do those things.

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:27 AM, pigster said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:22 AM, karmakramer said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

well, i kind of like the idea of having a multi-media device, that is not my computer.

 

seperate work from play. keep the laptop clean except for my music programs... use an ipad for all movie/music/internet/gaming needs.

 

Even if you get the highest model is 64BG really enough for all your music and movie needs? I can't believe they have 16 and 32GB models wtf

 

or you could just do the smart thing and set up media server and access it with the wi-fi...

And then what about when you go outside this wi-fi bubble... how do you decide what albums you want on the go?

If you can't keep your shit under 16 gb, you are carrying more than you need on your portable docking entertainment device

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:36 AM, 42Orange said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:27 AM, pigster said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:22 AM, karmakramer said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 3:19 AM, Kcinsu said:

well, i kind of like the idea of having a multi-media device, that is not my computer.

 

seperate work from play. keep the laptop clean except for my music programs... use an ipad for all movie/music/internet/gaming needs.

 

Even if you get the highest model is 64BG really enough for all your music and movie needs? I can't believe they have 16 and 32GB models wtf

 

or you could just do the smart thing and set up media server and access it with the wi-fi...

 

yeah no big deal just another couple hundred bucks so you can listen to music and read a book or go on the internet or take another hit of coke and pretend like you needed to spend 1200 fucking dollars to do those things.

yeah exactly. right?

If you have coke and music why the fuck would you need a book? Gay.

has anyone seen those two recent CNBC hourlong specials/documentaries about apple? i think one is called macheads. basically, i've discovered that there are many lols to have if you simply replace the term "mac users" with "homosexuals"

example: "OMFG, i went to one of the user groups and i was amazed to find out that there's [homosexuals] in all walks of life: dancers, writers, actors, athletes, businessmen, teachers, and just regular people like me. it was so great to know that [homosexuals] are everywhere and there's plenty of communities for us"

that said, apple has done a masterful job of combining stylish product design with an essentially niche market that it has successfully exploited to cult status. you have to give them credit and respect, although, you don't have to give them money. especially when i bet they're going to have another version of this with USB/videocameras/multitasking/other-things within a year or so. they know that their hardcore fans will once again camp outside for two weeks in a 500 degree shitstorm just so they can be THE FIRST TO GET TEH NEXT APPLE BREAKTHROUGH!

Only "mac users" say teh

  On 1/30/2010 at 5:43 AM, jules said:

If you can't keep your shit under 16 gb, you are carrying more than you need on your portable docking entertainment device

I simply disagree.

  On 1/30/2010 at 5:43 AM, jules said:

If you can't keep your shit under 16 gb, you are carrying more than you need on your portable docking entertainment device

bullshit, plus 16GB isn't actually 16GB... probably more like 14 GB...

Look most people walk to where their computers are and use them and leave. Is that inconvenience really worth $500+? Not to mention the growing trend of internet capable phones. If I need to check something about something while I am away from my computer, I can... it fits right inside my pocket. Isn't that great! And if I want to watch a movie... well I don't do that on my phone, but if I am in my house and wanted to watch movie, why wouldn't I watch it on my TV (assuming I have a nice one cause I can afford a fucking iPad)? Why watch film's on a device that isn't even true HD or widescreen? I don't even know how comfortable it will be to watch something lying down on something like an iPad... you either have to hold it so its always sitting up, or rest it on something. Idk I was excited about the prospect of Apple shooting us into future computing possibilities by making a truly capable tablet PC but what they have here is simply a large PSP or, as stated a billion times, iPhone. And if it can only do what my phone can do, does the extra screen space really apply that much added worth? For me, I would rather have something I don't need to put in a bag or worry about transporting. I can see the next iteration being much better, but as of now... I'd rather stick with the devices I have, cause I am really not looking for much more. I got a laptop to watch movies, surf the web, write (on a keyboard), and perform other applications (mixing, gaming, photo editing) and I got an iPhone for mobile internet, music, etc.

I see the beauty and appeal of the iPad, and how it feels very much like a future computing device. But it just lacks in substance to the point that I am waiting for later iterations or someone else (Microsoft's seem pretty cool).

"Apple is marketing the iPad as a computer, when really it's nothing more than a media-consumption device - a convergence television, if you will. Think of it this way: One of the fundamental attributes of computers is that they are interactive and reconfigurable. You can change the way a computer behaves at a very deep level. Interactivity on the iPad consists of touching icons on the screen to change which application you're using. Hardly more interactive than changing channels on a TV. Sure, you can compose a short email or text message; you can use the Brushes app to draw a sketch. But those activities are not the same thing as programming the device to do something new. Unlike a computer, the iPad is simply not reconfigurable."

http://io9.com/5458822/why-the-ipad-is-crap-futurism

The ipad is the resurgence of the old world device meant just for media consumption and not actual new world computing.

...

What a stupid fucking kid

  On 1/30/2010 at 6:19 AM, jules said:

Only "mac users" say teh

that was a typo, sir. i would also like to point out that only mac users feel it their civic duty to get all kinds of anal and go "ahem" in pointing out grammatical errors as failed attempts at post-31337 colloquialism.

oh and your avatar/signature combo screams out macos 7, dude. force quit to finder plz.

  On 1/30/2010 at 8:33 AM, karmakramer said:

"Apple is marketing the iPad as a computer, when really it's nothing more than a media-consumption device - a convergence television, if you will. Think of it this way: One of the fundamental attributes of computers is that they are interactive and reconfigurable. You can change the way a computer behaves at a very deep level. Interactivity on the iPad consists of touching icons on the screen to change which application you're using. Hardly more interactive than changing channels on a TV. Sure, you can compose a short email or text message; you can use the Brushes app to draw a sketch. But those activities are not the same thing as programming the device to do something new. Unlike a computer, the iPad is simply not reconfigurable."

 

http://io9.com/5458822/why-the-ipad-is-crap-futurism

 

 

The ipad is the resurgence of the old world device meant just for media consumption and not actual new world computing.

lol yes that's what so many people do with their computers now. They sit around programming them to do something new. That explains the smashing success of the CLI.

I'm not here to defend the iPad, but I think I'll wait until I've actually seen and tried one out before ripping it a new asshole.

As far as storage goes, cloud services. Plus if the new iPhone OS doesn't have multi-tasking, I will eat 3 pieces of toast with peanut butter on webcam.

  On 1/30/2010 at 10:39 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 8:33 AM, karmakramer said:

"Apple is marketing the iPad as a computer, when really it's nothing more than a media-consumption device - a convergence television, if you will. Think of it this way: One of the fundamental attributes of computers is that they are interactive and reconfigurable. You can change the way a computer behaves at a very deep level. Interactivity on the iPad consists of touching icons on the screen to change which application you're using. Hardly more interactive than changing channels on a TV. Sure, you can compose a short email or text message; you can use the Brushes app to draw a sketch. But those activities are not the same thing as programming the device to do something new. Unlike a computer, the iPad is simply not reconfigurable."

 

http://io9.com/5458822/why-the-ipad-is-crap-futurism

 

 

The ipad is the resurgence of the old world device meant just for media consumption and not actual new world computing.

 

lol yes that's what so many people do with their computers now. They sit around programming them to do something new. That explains the smashing success of the CLI.

 

I'm not here to defend the iPad, but I think I'll wait until I've actually seen and tried one out before ripping it a new asshole.

 

As far as storage goes, cloud services. Plus if the new iPhone OS doesn't have multi-tasking, I will eat 3 pieces of toast with peanut butter on webcam.

Open interfaces may not serve the best interest of the common person, but that doesn't mean the feature is not important.

and that article is mostly wack, I was just referring to that quote