christians

  On 1/3/2010 at 9:51 AM, lumpenprol said:

  On 1/3/2010 at 9:31 AM, glasse said:

 

Here is the point. If God allowed Himself to be obviously known, and did not hide His face from us, people would feel forced to obey whatever He expected. They wouldn't do so out of love, but out of a sense of coercion. They would realize how powerless they were against this omnipotent creator and basically act as one does who has a gun pointed at their head. Additionally faith would be rendered meaningless, and we are saved by grace through faith so it is very important that faith be preserved. Therefore God must remain hidden and mysterious, and work through subtlety. I am sure He would want nothing more than to be able to grow an amputee a new limb, and of course it is in His power, but it would be very difficult for the world at large to deny His existence if He went around doing obvious things like this. Just as He gave the angels beforehand, He now gives people the right to choose.

 

 

I actually understand and agree with that point. But seriously, you've been finding kiddie porn on watmm? I've been here for years, but clearly I must be doing something wrong.

4 chan, not watmm. someone had a little girl doing something with a man as their avatar. the thing that disgusted me the most was the sense that person wasn't even themselves into that, but just did it because they found it funny and shocking. like taking pedobear to the whole next level of haha.

also, @ Hautlle. I was saying that the diversity and probability pools would be severely diminished by only having 4% remaining of marine life remaining for evolution to continue. It is like we had a 100 people working together to build or solve something, and now we only have 4.

  On 1/3/2010 at 9:31 AM, glasse said:

I'll tell you the truth, as I listened back to this when I was about to post it, I immediately felt an urgent and nasty presence that caused me to stop and pray for protection, not only for myself, but for all of you as you play it.

That's funny, I watched it using my power of love and self-control, and felt nothing even remotely urgent or nasty, just mild irritation that somebody did a shitty job of editing some garbled tapes in French and grainy black and white still photos.

  On 1/3/2010 at 10:22 AM, OneToThirtySix said:

  On 1/3/2010 at 9:31 AM, glasse said:

I'll tell you the truth, as I listened back to this when I was about to post it, I immediately felt an urgent and nasty presence that caused me to stop and pray for protection, not only for myself, but for all of you as you play it.

 

That's funny, I watched it using my power of love and self-control, and felt nothing even remotely urgent or nasty, just mild irritation that somebody did a shitty job of editing some garbled tapes in French and grainy black and white still photos.

that's because he prayed for you

duh.

ah.. the antichrist is german.

  On 1/3/2010 at 2:39 AM, Hautlle said:

I read in The Science of God, or maybe The Hidden Face of God by Gerald Schroeder that when considering times relativity and the expansion of the universe, that the 7 day creation story could be true. I'm no physicist, like Schroeder is, so i don't really know. Still something interesting to think about.

what kind of stuff does he talk about? sounds to me like he ignores geology, geochemistry etc.

  On 1/3/2010 at 7:11 AM, chenGOD said:

Website is Related:

 

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

glasse makes an interesting point. however, i think the results of prayer are more visible:

1. as an organism, humans have found many ways to create prosthetic limbs.

2. i believe that we are given something much more incredible than a replacement: we are given the chance to find out that we didn't need that limb in the first place. this is a most beautiful and powerful thing to know.

i'm pretty sure glasse and i are speaking from differing viewpoints, so i don't want to speak for him. but i believe that prayers are answered in their asking, and that we are given a chance to work at creating our own happiness. to me, this is the highest blessing of all.

  On 1/3/2010 at 9:31 AM, glasse said:

  On 1/3/2010 at 7:11 AM, chenGOD said:

Website is Related:

 

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

Here is the point. If God allowed Himself to be obviously known, and did not hide His face from us, people would feel forced to obey whatever He expected. They wouldn't do so out of love, but out of a sense of coercion. They would realize how powerless they were against this omnipotent creator and basically act as one does who has a gun pointed at their head. Additionally faith would be rendered meaningless, and we are saved by grace through faith so it is very important that faith be preserved. Therefore God must remain hidden and mysterious, and work through subtlety. I am sure He would want nothing more than to be able to grow an amputee a new limb, and of course it is in His power, but it would be very difficult for the world at large to deny His existence if He went around doing obvious things like this. Just as He gave the angels beforehand, He now gives people the right to choose.

i'm just going to repost something straight from that website:

"Rationalization #3

Here is another explanation that you might have heard: "God needs to remain hidden -- restoring an amputated limb would be too obvious." We will discuss this idea in more detail in later chapters, but let's touch on it here. Does God need to remain hidden?

That does not seem to be the case. In general, God seems to have no problem doing things that are obvious. Think about the Bible. Writing the Bible and having billions of copies published all over the world is obvious. So is parting the Red Sea. So is carving the Ten Commandments on stone tables. So is sending your son to earth and having him perform dozens of recorded miracles. And so on. It makes no sense for a God in hiding to incarnate himself, or to do these other obvious things. Why send your son to earth, and then write a book that talks all about his exploits, if you are trying to hide?

In the same way, any medical miracle that God performs today is obvious. The removal of a cancerous tumor is obvious because it is measurable. One month the tumor is visible to everyone on the X-ray, and the next month it is not. If God eliminated the tumor, then it is openly obvious to everyone who sees the X-ray. There is nothing "hidden" about removing a tumor. So, why not regenerate a leg in an equally open way? If God intervenes with cancer patients to remove cancerous tumors in response to prayers, then why wouldn't God also intervene with amputees to regenerate lost limbs?

Key Point

If God intervenes with cancer patients to remove cancerous tumors, then God should also intervene with amputees to regenerate lost limbs.

Another example is seen in Jeanne's rabies case discussed earlier in the chapter. Tens of millions of people are aware of the Jeanna's rabies miracle. Personally, I read about it in a big article in my morning newspaper. That is pretty obvious. What is hidden about her recovery?"

he wasn't very subtle in the old testament, what with killing people and knocking shit down and causing floods.

i just thought of something: the tower of babel. is god against globalization? should christians crusade against that? it seems to be the will of their lord for humans to stay on earth, divided forever. so are they against space travel too?

does god have a digestive system?

  On 1/3/2010 at 5:27 PM, Rambo said:

does god have a digestive system?

where do you think you came from?

i didn't come from anywhere, i am all that is. cheers

so did he create the food he required on the fly? It's all so inefficient.

i was just joking about you being god's poop. i don't think there's like a celestial dude with a form or anything so i am the wrong person to answer this type of question.

i don't think there is a right person to be fair

does god like mayo, tomato ketchup, or brown sauce on his chips?

he only eats healthy, messiaen. Apart from just now and again.... you know, just to show he's got discipline.

er, not that he needs to show that of course... stop questioning his methods!

  On 1/3/2010 at 2:12 PM, ezkerraldean said:

  On 1/3/2010 at 2:39 AM, Hautlle said:

I read in The Science of God, or maybe The Hidden Face of God by Gerald Schroeder that when considering times relativity and the expansion of the universe, that the 7 day creation story could be true. I'm no physicist, like Schroeder is, so i don't really know. Still something interesting to think about.

what kind of stuff does he talk about? sounds to me like he ignores geology, geochemistry etc.

Actually he takes into account all that current science has to offer. It's been probably 10 years since I read these books, but I remember him using a lot of biology and physics to back up his ideas (not sue on geology and the likes). They were interesting books, sadly I let people borrow them and never got them back.

Does He have sexual organs?

Can God get testicular elephantiasis to such point that even He himself cannot lift them?

He creates sub-Gods to lift them imo

  On 1/3/2010 at 3:40 PM, A/D said:

  On 1/3/2010 at 7:11 AM, chenGOD said:

Website is Related:

 

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

 

glasse makes an interesting point. however, i think the results of prayer are more visible:

 

1. as an organism, humans have found many ways to create prosthetic limbs.

2. i believe that we are given something much more incredible than a replacement: we are given the chance to find out that we didn't need that limb in the first place. this is a most beautiful and powerful thing to know.

 

err what?

1. Humans developed (and are developing) prosthetic limbs through the use of science.

2. If you really believe that, go cut an arm off and find out how much you don't need it.

Of course you could be engaging in some subtle sarcasm, in which case, well done.

if god wanted to worship him out of love and the goodness of our hearts instead of fearmongering, promises of eternal pleasure, and adherence to religious doctrine he probably shouldnt have created the ten commandments or the bible or heaven. People just stretch god to be whatever shape they want him to be, either based on what others tell them or what they want to believe, none of it is based on anything but words written, edited, and revised over and over for 2000 years by MAN

Interesting debate on God's existance, good reading..

http://forums.philosophyforums.com/threads/debate--does-god-exist-34498.html

  On 1/3/2010 at 5:46 PM, messiaen said:

does god like mayo, tomato ketchup, or brown sauce on his chips?

GOD puts EVERYTHING on his chips

god IS everything on his chips

I AM GODSAUCE

MARKET GODSAUCE

  On 1/3/2010 at 9:51 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

god IS everything on his chips

 

 

I AM GODSAUCE

 

 

MARKET GODSAUCE

dr pepper's has 23 flavours??? that's got nothing on GOD SAUCE> that stuff has like 1 million PLUS Flavours

MARKET GODSAUCE>

FROM GODSAUCE