all dubstep is horrible!?

I like Mount Kimbie a lot, they've got their own sound going. Burial, Zomby- all good. I prefer the stuff with some atmosphere and melodies to latch onto. The Hyperdub 5 comp would be a really good place to start probably:

CD1:

01 King Midas Sound: "Meltdown"

02 Kode9 & the Spaceape: "Time Patrol [ft. Cha Cha]"

03 Darkstar: "Aidys Girl's a Computer"

04 Samiyam: "Roller Skates"

05 Flying Lotus: "Disco Balls"

06 Black Chow: "Purple Smoke"

07 Burial: "Fostercare"

08 Cooly G: "Weekend Fly"

09 Zomby: "Tarantula"

10 Martyn: "Mega Drive Generation"

11 LV: "Turn Away [ft. Dandelion]"

12 Mala: "Level Nine"

13 LD: "Shake It"

14 Quarta 330: "Bleeps From Outer Space"

15 Ikonika: "Sahara Michael"

16 Joker & Ginz: "Stash"

CD2:

01 Kode9: "9 Samurai"

02 Burial: "South London Boroughs"

03 Kode9 & LD: "Bad"

04 The Bug: "Money Honey Remix [ft. Warrior Queen]"

05 LV: "Globetrotting [ft. Erol Bellot]"

06 Burial: "Distant Lights"

07 Kode9 & the Spaceape: "Ghost Town"

08 Kode9 & the Spaceape: "Fukkaz"

09 Samiyam: "Return"

10 Darkstar: "Need You"

11 Zomby: "Spliff Dub (Rustie Remix)"

12 Ikonika: "Please"

13 Zomby: "Kaliko"

14 2000F & J Kamata: "You Don't Know What Love Is"

15 Joker: "Digidesign"

16 Quarta 330: "9 Samurai (Quarta 330 Remix)"

sorry but i like dubstep alot

it's badass but chill, alotta cool rhythms, effects and i love the reggae connotations.. jungle stresses me out

wobbles sound ridiculously stupid when talking about them but when you put on a track that has this retarded amazing wobble you just can't help nodding/skanking to it

I like the wobble I just hate how it often sounds the same in so many tracks.

But yes, some dubstep is nice to hear when you're out. I went to a bar/club last weekend for a friend's birthday, and they played some dubstep. I recognized a few tracks (couldn't say who they were though) and I enjoyed it.

A lot of 140bpm dubstep is a bit tired now, the whole chainsaw thing has died a bit of a death. But there's still loads of more garagey/odd stuff that's coming out that's awesome. Seems like all the innovators at the moment are operating in the whole 130bpm house style stuff though, that's where the really good shit is at.

  On 2/25/2010 at 10:59 AM, Lube Saibot said:

I'm honestly relishing in this divisive property of dubstep. If it gets IDM fops to stop holding hands on account of how one likes Burial and one likes Borgore it's all good. Dubstep is good outing material for snobs.

 

p.s. troon, please, PLEASE stop saying "genera".

Im going to see Borgore tonight in Oxford!

I totally LOVE Boxutter's first two albums, which are vaguely dubsteppy I guess. Clubroot is nice too.

I haven't listened to very much of it to be honest, because I'm put off by the sameness of it. But I'll take some reccs from this thread, like Vex'd, Martyn, I'll look into Hyperdub more.

I heard some newly released dubstep last night and it was fucking awesome. No awful Caspa/Benga/Skream synth melodies. Just drums, a deep slow basslines, some lovely dubchords and tons of delay and reverb.

  On 2/24/2010 at 11:33 PM, messiaen said:

  On 2/24/2010 at 9:44 PM, Awepittance said:

Loops Haunt seems too talented and what he does to keep making dubstep. listen to the DSP fuckery in his other tracks, beats most 3rd tiered idmers by a long shot

 

maybe he likes making music for people who only hang on the peripheries of a hot musical scene and move to the next one as soon as they are bored to dance to

well said awepittance, very

it was kind of in a round about way but i very much disagree with the black and white view that anything made not in an established 'dance' genre people can't dance to. I hear people say this a lot and it's really infuriating. I like loop's haunt stuff a lot, i was just implying the guy sounds more talented than the overwhelming majority of other people making dubstep, i'd be interested to see what he evolves into once dubstep kind of dies down (which it will)

idm is the epicenter

all things revert back to idm

we have seen the pinnacle

we have tried to define it

it will never be defined

because

it doesn't matter what music becomes

only what it is and has been

  On 2/28/2010 at 1:32 AM, Awepittance said:

once dubstep kind of dies down (which it will)

Dies down??? I honestly reckon it'll go mainstream soon enough with singing on top of the wobble then everyone will get really fucking bored of it whilst something else titters along slowly growing to a stupid size... rinse and repeat.

dubstep will never be mainstream in america, it's already quite mainstream elsewhere

I think it's going to go mainstream but it's not going to have the hotness factor for very much longer. probably once we start hearing dubstep in commercials the hipness of it will be gone similar to what happened to jungle/drum and bass

it just annoys me that there are so many people that obsess over the new dubstep like joker while shit like united acid emirate gets ignored

  On 2/28/2010 at 3:12 AM, vamos scorcho said:

it just annoys me that there are so many people that obsess over the new dubstep like joker while shit like united acid emirate gets ignored

I don't see the connection. they're completely different musically. or do you just not like people liking music that you don't like?

I can't believe people think The Aphex Twins are so amazing while Prince hasn't put out a record is so long!

  On 2/28/2010 at 1:08 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 2/24/2010 at 11:33 PM, messiaen said:

  On 2/24/2010 at 9:44 PM, Awepittance said:

Loops Haunt seems too talented and what he does to keep making dubstep. listen to the DSP fuckery in his other tracks, beats most 3rd tiered idmers by a long shot

 

maybe he likes making music for people who only hang on the peripheries of a hot musical scene and move to the next one as soon as they are bored to dance to

But isn't it kind of fun to be riding that crest of a wave? It's no different to what Squarepusher did with My Red Hot Car and garage, or Vibert and AFX in 97 with drum and bass and jungle. Taking the en vogue genre of music at the time and smashing it up and making it your own is great!

Also, dubstep I think for the true heads has passed it's major creative point, which is why people are moving on to different sounds from the typical cliches associated with that genre. Check Blackdown's latest column for Pitchfork.

  On 2/28/2010 at 4:29 AM, nene multiple assgasms said:

  On 2/28/2010 at 3:12 AM, vamos scorcho said:

it just annoys me that there are so many people that obsess over the new dubstep like joker while shit like united acid emirate gets ignored

 

I don't see the connection. they're completely different musically. or do you just not like people liking music that you don't like?

forget it. you're right.

  On 2/28/2010 at 8:04 AM, xxx said:

My biggest problem with dubstep is that I love all the voicings: the wobbles, the hard drums, the atmospherics, the whole lot. It's that pregnant pause in the beat I can't cope with. Take your best Sasha Grey vid but only stroke every 60 seconds (wait, on second thought, that may make you do a space/time continuum explosion cum). Anyway, the point is that I usually have to immediately go to Current Value or Drukqs or summat to get "that itch scratched" from dubstep's slow motion freshman year hand job. That's hard to explain but easy to define once I get there. The single exception for me so far is Vex'd but that's only one (double) album and it's damn near 5 years old. I guess I need to get up on the sound before I go shit talking.

I had that first, part of why i didn't like dubstep for a long time, i pretty much had to smoke a joint to slow down mentally and anticipate the beat properly, after which it made perfect sense.

there's the polished more IDMish dubstep like Burial, Boxcutter - Planet-Mu type stuff, then you have your more chilled out dubby dubstep which is nice but also a little disposable and then there's the fizzy cheeky Reason/Fruityloops type stuff with 'the drop' which is the one that seems to be pulling in the crowds at the moment in however this angle isn't sounding too fresh any more if your not new to the dubstep thing.

Ok. Two things:

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  On 2/28/2010 at 2:48 AM, Awepittance said:

probably once we start hearing dubstep in commercials the hipness of it will be gone similar to what happened to jungle/drum and bass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv0SN3CMeGI

It's already happening. To a small extent at least but.. yeah. Not posting this to completely validate your point though. I mean, while i agree, i do believe you're being a little nihilistic. All these styles with dub grandparents, from jungle through DnB through 2step garage through traditional dubstep to current wobble and chainshaw halfstep have emerged one of the other, as refreshment of a stagnant formula. So to say that dubstep is some sort of proverbial last nail in the coffin is a bit excessive, i'd say. When it will have nothing to offer anymore it will morph again. And all the dubstep guys will jump on THAT bandwagon, and it will be a bit silly but i expect that whole body of THAT music to retain the same ballpark of percentage of good stuff. So why be all dismissive of it? I mean, besides not liking it yourself.

  On 2/28/2010 at 8:04 AM, xxx said:

My biggest problem with dubstep is that I love all the voicings: the wobbles, the hard drums, the atmospherics, the whole lot. It's that pregnant pause in the beat I can't cope with. Take your best Sasha Grey vid but only stroke every 60 seconds (wait, on second thought, that may make you do a space/time continuum explosion cum). Anyway, the point is that I usually have to immediately go to Current Value or Drukqs or summat to get "that itch scratched" from dubstep's slow motion freshman year hand job. That's hard to explain but easy to define once I get there. The single exception for me so far is Vex'd but that's only one (double) album and it's damn near 5 years old. I guess I need to get up on the sound before I go shit talking.

I love you xxx for all your porn similes that always hit 100% home with me. On that note, i can relate to what you're saying, but not fully. Getting into dubstep was pretty difficult for me as well. I always cringe when i hear ragga skanks & tubby-delayed snares in songs etc. Then it broke out with the visceral production "aesthetic" (i hate using this word ) and i was almost snared, but not quite yet. I also felt i had that awkwardness about its rhythm (or is "riddim" more appropriate in the context? har har), until i heard this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WxZNIpszs

Needless to say i was also high as balls when i first heard it so it was a deer in the headlights kinda moment. I was crying poo in my own disgorged pelvis. There aren't many tracks like this in dubstep, this on is the only other one i know about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Waqn0jBG58&feature=related

Then there's guys like The Proxy or The Subs who marry dubstep drops to 4\4 bangers to great effect. If you're gonna look for it, there's "fast" "intense" dubstep, even around 120 BPM.

Then again, getting into dubstep through all these metalhead-kiddie-pleaser jams i have come to appreciate and gyrate to sludgers as well. When they're stupid (like Rusko), when they're very grimy\hip-hoppy (like Joker), when they're triplet-swung and broken-as-fuck (as previously posted Loops Haunt). And Burial beats are complete outliers of this... those haunting repetitive broken garage beats. *cums stupid hard*

I still see your point though. I still don't get how Chainsaw Calligraphy can be a club banger. No only because it kinda sucks (IMHO), but because i simply CAN'T DANCE to it. I've fucking tried. It's even to slow for the regular cockney halfstep swagger\headbang kinda thing. I felt stupid moving to it, that can't be just me.

I'll take the tl;dr awards now, thanks.

just thought I'd post my favorite dubstep track to see if people find it horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPE_XvzrTs&fmt=18

Borgore and all that stuff has literally zero groove, heart, funkiness, or depth in my opinion, it's just a series of obnoxious noises... if that's what you want from a tune then fair play, but for me there's really not much too it... here's a couple of tunes that I'm digging that for me represent where the scene is going a lot more,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOQDNmFp6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuklQ0VbxHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baU6yrKRhVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w5OxscXtaE

...not a distorted formant filtered wobble in sight! DJing this sort of stuff a lot more now, I don't mind a little bit of your more typical dubstep stuff, but it's reached a bit of a dead end in my opinion. The stuff that's more house influenced is much better in my opinion... is it even dubstep anymore? Who knows, who cares!

  On 2/28/2010 at 2:33 AM, vamos scorcho said:

dubstep will never be mainstream in america, it's already quite mainstream elsewhere

Well yeah I'd imagine that'd be a vastly different picture for America...

In terms of Glasgow/Scotland it can pull in quite a decent crowd, its definitely growing in popularity... I'd imagine its a similar situation elsewhere in the UK really... I know that Mary Anne Hobbes took a lot of dubstep people over to Sonar and apparently it was awesome so maybe the rest of Europe too?