Autechre The Oversteps 16 bit or 24 bit deal

I got 24bit and burned straight to CD (using foobar + CD writing plugin) to play on a stereo. Seemed to take care of conversion automatically..

any particular reason why EQ does not work on winamp 2.x with the 24bit wav's???

strange.

Crummy Pop

so has anyone actually compared the 16 and 24 bit versions?

anyone claiming to hear a difference between 16vs24bit is full of shit.

  On 2/25/2010 at 3:01 AM, azatoth said:

anyone claiming to hear a difference between 16vs24bit is full of shit.

anyone making generalising statements is full of shit too

lol, not in this case.

anyone answer my question

winamp is shit?

  On 2/24/2010 at 1:47 PM, phling said:

ok wait. isn't the bits-per-sample thing totally irrelevant to frequency response?

 

44.1kHz sampling rate in digital audio means that's 44100 samples per second for a stereo signal, so a frequency response of up to half of that per channel. i.e. the horizontal stuff on a timeline. anything above that will ride the Nyquist roller coaster.

Sorry, I shorthanded 16 bit at that point when what I was supposed to have said in fullwas 16 bit/44khz. IE the delivery specs of the CD. My bad.

  On 2/25/2010 at 2:44 AM, modey said:

so has anyone actually compared the 16 and 24 bit versions?

Heh, when my CD arrives a month from now, thus deliverying me the 16 bit wavs, theeeeeen I will tediously arrange for myself a valid A/B test :)

  On 2/24/2010 at 11:55 PM, elusive4 said:

any particular reason why EQ does not work on winamp 2.x with the 24bit wav's???

 

strange.

If it can play back 24 bit files, I would have thought its EQ would be programmed to deal with them as well. Unless it's a 3rd party EQ, or somehow a silly compartmentalised design in the software... maybe the EQ part was only programmed to handle up to 16 bit.

  On 2/24/2010 at 10:36 PM, entropi said:

  On 2/24/2010 at 10:27 PM, uiert said:

so anyhow.

 

when I convert the wav files from 24 to 16bit to play on the cdplayer.

I choose 44.1kHz right?

 

yep. (CD: 16bit & 44.1kHz)

thanks!

Does someone have both the mp3 320's and Wav 16's to compare? I have nice headphones and want the best experience, but I went with the 320's for compatibility.. am I missing out/should I try to track down the wav's??

if you got the 320s off an unofficial source i would recommend getting the wavs 6-bit or 24-bit., because its probably transcoded from an M4a file. the official mp3s from Bleep are probably exactly the same sounding as the wavs to 99.99% of the music listening population.

i've found the difference. in the opening 5-10 seconds of the 24-bit version of r ess you can clearly hear sean and rob lol-ing. but it's at -110dB so all of you who bought just the mp3s are screwed. sorry.

okay i'll drop my pants and say:

to me, the transcoded mp3v0 files from the m4a leak do in fact not at all sound worse or different in any way compared to the 24bit wav files, except for the crossfades of course.

Source and specific speakers/headphones play a pretty huge role in being able to tell (or reproduce) the difference. It's easy to overstate it, but subtle improvements can bring a lot of enjoyment if you're into that sort of thing. If not, just enjoy!

edit: referring to the transcodes, not 16 vs 24.

hm yeah i use the equipment i have, i.e. the built in soundcard from my MacBook Pro + 60$ AKG headphones.

i've set it up just as this Winer Poopy Crummy guy in the lengthy video posted by someone last night, i.e. loaded a wav vs. a leaky mp3 into Live, aligned them and shuffled the tracks around until i didn't know which was which. than played them parallel and used soloing to switch between the versions. couldn't hear a difference at all.

considering what the Poppy Crummy guy said about comb filtering due to speaker/wall reflections and all… i've decided to not give a fuck anymore about hi-fi at all, lol.

actually, go on and try it yourself imo, your mind might be blown in the end...

  On 2/25/2010 at 10:26 AM, Awepittance said:

if you got the 320s off an unofficial source i would recommend getting the wavs 6-bit or 24-bit., because its probably transcoded from an M4a file. the official mp3s from Bleep are probably exactly the same sounding as the wavs to 99.99% of the music listening population.

Yeah I got the Bleep 320's. And guess I'm quite satisfied with them for now

  On 2/25/2010 at 6:12 PM, phling said:

okay i'll drop my pants and say:

 

to me, the transcoded mp3v0 files from the m4a leak do in fact not at all sound worse or different in any way compared to the 24bit wav files, except for the crossfades of course.

im not a snake oil audiophile but you're wrong.

read again that sentence.

  On 2/25/2010 at 4:01 AM, djimbe said:

  On 2/24/2010 at 11:55 PM, elusive4 said:

any particular reason why EQ does not work on winamp 2.x with the 24bit wav's???

 

strange.

 

If it can play back 24 bit files, I would have thought its EQ would be programmed to deal with them as well. Unless it's a 3rd party EQ, or somehow a silly compartmentalised design in the software... maybe the EQ part was only programmed to handle up to 16 bit.

plays the wav's just fine - but built in winamp 2.x EQ doesn't have any effect on the sound. load up flac/mp3 and it works normal. just on these 24bit wavs. was curious, is all.