Guest the anonymous forumite Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Starts this sunday. Quote July 18, 2010 Television Back to Work for ‘Mad Men’ By ALESSANDRA STANLEY “WHO is Don Draper?” is the question that opens the premiere of the fourth season of “Mad Men.” And that’s an insider’s joke, a wink at viewers who have spent three years burrowing into the cryptic ad man’s buried secrets and damaged psyche. AMC’s drama about Manhattan’s advertising world in the early 1960s isn’t just a cult favorite anymore; “Mad Men” has become a cultural phenomenon much in the way “The Sopranos” once was. The two shows are mirror opposites of course. “The Sopranos” amused viewers with unexpected glimpses of bourgeois ordinariness — lawn mowing, school meetings, psychotherapy — inside the scary, alien world of organized crime. “Mad Men” offers a far more commonplace milieu — the rat race — and finds comedy in the distortions of a rear-view mirror. There lies the spectacle of people just like us doing things that today seem scary and alien, like smoking, drinking old-fashioneds at lunch, letting children play with dry-cleaner bags. It’s a series set in the days of ice-cold martinis and cold war anxiety that has seduced contemporary fashion, advertising and even the English language. There are “Mad Men” Barbie and Ken dolls, a “Mad Men” clothing line at Banana Republic and pop culture books like “Mad Men and Philosophy: Nothing Is as It Seems.” The term “mad men” has become an adjective, a shorthand way to describe things that are louche, elegant and dissipated in an antediluvian way. And accordingly there is “Mad Men” overload in the air and, in some corners, even a backlash. Don’s angst at times grew tiresome, as did his marital woes. Viewers yearned to get away from the home front and back to the office skirmishes at his agency, Sterling Cooper. Fortunately the series’s creator, Matthew Weiner, has found a way to finesse “Mad Men” fatigue at the end of the third season by giving his story a mulligan. Sterling Cooper is starting over, as Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, and so is Don. When the series began in 2007, its main characters were established, slightly jaded players in a field that was on top of its game in a nation still puffed up with postwar confidence and superpower brio. The advertising firm was so successful, despite its disreputable office parties, that it was practically white shoe. And its creative director, Don Draper (Jon Hamm), married to lovely Betty (January Jones) with two lovely children in a lovely suburb, had little to prove, except, perhaps his effortless prowess as an extramarital ladies’ man. But when Sterling Cooper’s British parent company was sold at the end of last season to an even bigger advertising behemoth, Don and his colleagues broke away and lost their complacency. Suddenly they became small and scrappy without the huge accounts, vast office space and bottomless expenses of yesteryear. And that final episode, as Don banded his loyalists together to start a new firm, was the most exhilarating moment of the season. Now, at the beginning of Season 4, which begins next Sunday, it’s a year later, and the executives of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce go on cattle calls to woo clients. Contracts melt away. The business is precarious and copywriters stoop to publicity stunts to gin up business. His personal life is just as altered. Betty is freshly embarked on a new marriage with Henry Francis (Christopher Stanley), an older man and an aide to Nelson Rockefeller. Henry, who has grown children from a previous marriage, promises Betty a better life — though this one comes with a scornful mother-in-law. And Don, who had women falling over themselves trying to get him into bed when he was married, finds himself alone in a dark Greenwich Village apartment, shining his own shoes and going out on blind dates. Being a bachelor back in those days, before the pill was widely used by single women and the arrival of “The Sensuous Woman,” did not automatically include swinging. Don tries to kiss a young woman in the back of a cab but can’t get any further. She won’t let him accompany her to the door to the Barbizon, then a women-only hotel, because, as she puts it coyly, “I know that trick.” “Mad Men” keeps confounding expectations — the ’60s fashion, mores and cultural landmarks keep getting more familiar, but the characters maintain an elusive weirdness. Betty looks like Grace Kelly, but she seems blandly prosaic — except when she picks up a BB gun and shoots the neighbor’s pigeons, a cigarette dangling from her perfectly curved lips. Pete Campbell (Vincent Kartheiser) would be just another irritating office brown-noser, a prep school Sammy Glick, except that he too has a screw loose and a mystical rapport with firearms. Peggy (Elisabeth Moss) should be an easily identified Rona Jaffe heroine — an unmarried career woman breaking the barriers of sexism — but she too is peculiar and enigmatic. Even Don and Betty’s forlorn daughter, Sally (Kiernan Shipka), is more strange than sad. “Mad Men” is a period piece that reverses the template. Historical dramas like “The Tudors” or “John Adams” sift through a remote, archaic culture to highlight the most familiar and contemporary concerns of historical characters. “Mad Men” wallows in the comfort of a recent and well-known past by way of characters who are always a little opaque and unknowable. The narrative snakes through a Life magazine timeline of political turmoil and social change — the John F. Kennedy assassination is a transforming event, and so are the poems of Frank O’Hara and the songs of Bob Dylan. In the season premiere, a character cites the killing of Andrew Goodman, the civil rights volunteer who was murdered with two co-workers in Mississippi. It’s a mention that marks the year as 1964 and the mood of the country as nearing a boiling point. Or as one character puts it, “The world is so dark right now.” But it isn’t always obvious to those living in it. Copywriters goof around at work. Peggy and a young colleague jokingly coo the names “Marsha” and “John” at each other, an oblique nod to Stan Freberg, an ad writer and comedian who had a huge hit in 1951 with a recorded single, “John & Marsha,” a soap opera parody in which actors intone the words “John” and “Marsha” over and over to organ music. Don has dinner at Jimmy’s La Grange, a Midtown restaurant favored by advertising executives where chicken à la Kiev is a specialty, and diners are given bibs to protect them from the splatter of butter. Those kinds of oblique references tether the fictional world of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce to the real advertising world of those times. That’s partly professional pride on the part of the writers, who dread complaints from old ad executives. Emeritus “mad men” can be as finicky and exacting about the historical details of their bygone days as Civil War re-enactors are about the uniforms worn at Bull Run. But those cues also hold out the promise that the coming season will once again pivot the story on the workplace. It’s where “Mad Men” started and where it was best. A fresh start at the rat race is just what the series needs. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benedict Cumberbatch Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 at the end of last season they branched out on there own. looking forward to seeing where they go. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1376367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 yea hopefully theres a lot of roger. he is the best character. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1376448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 yes. can't wait for the next season. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1376741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoon Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 YES Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1376781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Thoughts on the first episode? With the exception of the very ending, I was rather underwhelmed. What in the fuck has happened to Betty? Totally ruined character. That little shit that plays Sally is unwatchable, too. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1384167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I FUCKING LOVE MAD MEN I'm going to wait a few episodes before downloading. I'll probably get all of Treme before watching this as the wait between weeks kills me. Series 4 doesn't start over here until 2011, fucking joke. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1384174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoon Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 i thought the first ep was enjoyable. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1384209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the anonymous forumite Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) It was ok, not amazing but that's pretty normal for mad men, it always starts gently and builds up slowly. One or two things were a bit too much, such as the slapping in bed. But otherwise decent. For some reason, all the Peggy scenes bored me(redundance ?). Really liked the scene were he gets mad at the Johnson & Johnson guys. It's pretty obvious that Don's character is gonna be more and more "spectacular" from now on, it's bound to happen. We've been used to subtle personality disorders from him ,it's all going to hell now. The writer told some magazine that only 5 seasons were planned, but AMC is trying to extend that. Wait and see. Edited August 1, 2010 by the anonymous forumite Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1384256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoon Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 ^ agreed about the slapping scene Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1384446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxus Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 i think anyone else who saw the finale will agree that it was very very bad. the thing with don and his new secretary is forced and awkward. a lot of drawn out sentimental scenes which are totally unbelievable, and barely any interesting business going on. ends on a dull note with no cliffhanger and no real reason to keep watching except confusion as to why any of this random remarriage crap is happening. good things about the season - i liked the new office. the old secretary was a great character, especially her death, a seriously hilarious scene. the interactions between don and peggy were good as usual, and the scenes with glen and sally were great, he's one of my favorite characters. the cameo by RAY WISE was a treat, i'm really hoping he comes back as a regular character. also, i liked that there were fewer scenes with betty, she's just getting irritating to watch. bad things - the new employees, the lack of business (which is always more interesting than the characters' personal lives), the horrible voice-over scenes with don writing in his little notebook about bettering himself. sal is gone for good it seems, and joan might as well be at this point; they made it seem like she'd have a bigger role again this season, but everything she does now feels forced. i dont know what to think at this point - they'll have to work really hard to make that finale lead anywhere entertaining. but i did like a lot of the recent episodes. the writers are still clever, but they're obviously bored. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Boxus's signature Hide all signatures art Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benedict Cumberbatch Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 didnt feel like a season finale that is for sure. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 It ended on a spectacularly fucked up note...no denying that. The entire secretary deal was just, so, fucked, up. My first reaction was that it felt quite unmotivated upon; however, the more I reflected on it, Draper is still not quite ready to be Wittman again. He might never be ready. The psychologist babe was not gonna let him be Draper. Still...wtf. Something is very odd about this snaggletooth lady. She was an already shit-boring character and now she's married to the flagship. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosmachine Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 On 11/2/2010 at 5:01 PM, Benedict Cumberbatch said: didnt feel like a season finale that is for sure. this. i watched it not knowing it was the finale, didn't realize it until i was checking out tpb the next week, and there was no new episode. i was expecting some crazy cliffhanger with her getting hit by a car... or something. also, the magically disappearing government threat plotline, wtf was up with that. things almost got exciting. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures WATMM Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dylan Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Jessica Paré is so hot, the more the better Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Bob Dylan's signature Hide all signatures *** This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation *** helping America into the New World... Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the anonymous forumite Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) On 11/2/2010 at 5:05 PM, The Overlook said: It ended on a spectacularly fucked up note...no denying that. The entire secretary deal was just, so, fucked, up. My first reaction was that it felt quite unmotivated upon; I thought that too at first, it was way too quick and spectacular. But actually there were many moments in this season that pointed at Don's impulsiveness. This impulsiveness he's been struggling with and that is probably gonna lose him. On 11/2/2010 at 5:51 PM, chaosmachine said: i was expecting some crazy cliffhanger with her getting hit by a car... or something. There's never been a cliffhanger in Mad Men. Edited November 2, 2010 by the anonymous forumite Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosmachine Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 On 11/2/2010 at 7:05 PM, the anonymous forumite said: There's never been a cliffhanger in Mad Men. uh. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures WATMM Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxus Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 On 11/2/2010 at 7:43 PM, chaosmachine said: On 11/2/2010 at 7:05 PM, the anonymous forumite said: There's never been a cliffhanger in Mad Men. uh. losing the company and starting a new firm when your wife finds out your dark secrets and leaves you.. just another day in the life eh.. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Boxus's signature Hide all signatures art Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1448951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 the middle episodes of this season were some of, if not the best ones they have done. the end of the season definitely dipped off in a major way though. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1449363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 roger is the coolest mofo on tv Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1784027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
data Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 did it air? goddamn torrentsites cmooooon Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide data's signature Hide all signatures twitterbandcampyoutube Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1784032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deep Fried Everything Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 On 3/26/2012 at 3:48 AM, data said: did it air? goddamn torrentsites cmooooon it's on for another 45 minutes yet, be patient data! Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1784042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hautlle Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 Really enjoyed last nights episode. Looking forward to any Roger/Joan/babby drama. Plus now there's minorities Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Hautlle's signature Hide all signatures Albums/EPs Free to DL or stream Newest stuff is on Soundcloud Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1784285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 Yeah, that seemed a little fresher than what I remember of most of last season. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1784514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 the tv guy lost a lot if weight. he looks weird. roger is amazing. draper going soft? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58105-mad-men/#findComment-1784756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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