Wayne Rooney

  On 10/15/2010 at 4:19 PM, Dirty Protest said:

That was 2005, but hey ho. My da and brother are blue, i spent a lot of time in the city as my bros lived there until recently and have quite a few friends from there, so as I said you need to elaborate. The place is a shithole, but then a lot of residential areas in Northern Britain are.

I know about your dad and brother, you've said before. And as i've said before it's exactly like everywhere else, nice parts and rougher parts. It's largely fields where i live (hint: it's in Liverpool) To call it a shithole is just plain wrong. Unfortunately no-one seems to be as fascinated with most other parts of the UK, so we just have to put up with it.

what do you mean Rooney did nothing at the world cup? he hasn't done anything since the world cup, for club or country. man u should sell him to Barcelona and capello should put Defoe and Crouch up front for England, they do it for Tottenham, they'll do it for england.

  On 10/15/2010 at 4:23 AM, chenGOD said:

Yes he's Liverpudlian, not mancunian. Yes he's a chav.

Yes he did fuck all during the world cup but the again so did: Robbie Van Persie, Fernando Torres, Christiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and a bunch of other people who I'm not remembering.

the World Cup = one word : fixed

or are they all just suddenly shit players now?

People just underestimate what a powerful effect it has when the team isn't right. They still expect star players to be amazing.

  On 10/15/2010 at 2:34 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Ahh, the smug superiority of the middle classes.

what's sad though and very funny at the same time is that a lot of working class people aspire to and work hard, or just want, to become middle class/own all the shit/big car/big house/send their kids to top schools, etc. etc. whilst simultaneously taking the piss out of middle class people. go figure. lol

  On 10/15/2010 at 6:45 PM, Rambo said:

People just underestimate what a powerful effect it has when the team isn't right. They still expect star players to be amazing.

well Rooney should be amazing, still. no? but he's a mega dissapointment all of a sudden.

  On 10/15/2010 at 3:49 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Its a stick to hit the working class with as theres is no definition, just some lose terms pointed in their direction, which range from sports clothing, trackies and boots to petty criminals.

wtf? you think all working class people are considered to be chavs by other people/middle class people? lol

man that's pretty narrowminded!

His head is obviously not in the right place at the minute, and all this paper talk isn't helping. He's more than welcome to disrupt Yoonited's rhythm, and i'm not too optimistic for an England team under Capello, so whatever....

lol at the world cup being fixed.

Rambo has it right though - the team wasn't right.

surprised this thread is so popular.. I think like 95% of the population think rooney is a douchebag... lol

  On 10/15/2010 at 6:57 PM, sirch said:

  On 10/15/2010 at 3:49 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Its a stick to hit the working class with as theres is no definition, just some lose terms pointed in their direction, which range from sports clothing, trackies and boots to petty criminals.

 

wtf? you think all working class people are considered to be chavs by other people/middle class people? lol

man that's pretty narrowminded!

I spent yesterday organising a wine and cheese party for Halloween on the day I come back from Croatia, between drawing concept models. Probably safe to say that I would be considered middle class by a lot of people.

It seems to be a middle class aspirational thing, which they need to make other people seem small, otherwise how can they find a benchmark to judge their own achievements. True Waynes not very bright, but then he doesnt need to be hes one of the greatest footballers in the world (cant see this form staying forever). I dont quiz a fireman on Aristotle or find out of he can appreciate the importance of hardbop in the linage of jazz before I let him save me, I just let him carry me out the window, then I call him a thick cunt in the garden.

Tenuous to say the least imo. You're a middle class chav if you throw on a sovereign ring and a track suit. And you'll find yourself getting just as much stick.

Tenuous how? Thats one view of what chav means. If you polled 20 people yould get about 5 different answers. Chavs wear track suits, hes a fucking footballer you dink.

There's a nugget of truth maybe at best, i'd say that. Obviously there's always people looking to seperate themselves from people they feel superior to but to say that's what the whole chav thing about is just fucking nonsense i'm afraid. You get working class people calling out chavs. There are people who refer to their next door neighbours as chavs. It's nonsense.

Same delusional problem, people looking to get an educational or cultural boost from people they feel are below them.

Im off to watch match. Lets all just call Marlon King scum and move on =)

sounds like he's off:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/17/wayne-rooney-manchester-united

  On 10/18/2010 at 12:24 AM, jhonny said:

sounds like he's off:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/17/wayne-rooney-manchester-united

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Manchester City and Real Madrid possible destinations

Fucking LOL , he's not going to play for Man City.

The Media are a bunch of idiots.

  On 10/16/2010 at 3:07 PM, Dirty Protest said:

  On 10/15/2010 at 6:57 PM, sirch said:

  On 10/15/2010 at 3:49 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Its a stick to hit the working class with as theres is no definition, just some lose terms pointed in their direction, which range from sports clothing, trackies and boots to petty criminals.

 

wtf? you think all working class people are considered to be chavs by other people/middle class people? lol

man that's pretty narrowminded!

 

I spent yesterday organising a wine and cheese party for Halloween on the day I come back from Croatia, between drawing concept models. Probably safe to say that I would be considered middle class by a lot of people.

It seems to be a middle class aspirational thing, which they need to make other people seem small, otherwise how can they find a benchmark to judge their own achievements. True Waynes not very bright, but then he doesnt need to be hes one of the greatest footballers in the world (cant see this form staying forever). I dont quiz a fireman on Aristotle or find out of he can appreciate the importance of hardbop in the linage of jazz before I let him save me, I just let him carry me out the window, then I call him a thick cunt in the garden.

chavs could be whatever fucking class you like, a chav is a chav is a chav. A rich cunt wearing a burberry shell suit and bombing donkstep on his car's system is still a chav. Ignorance is ignorance.

Aye conversely, you cant move for horsey hat and jodhpur shops round Irlam o'th Heights.

You're confusing stereotyping with actual classification.

Nowhere have I said that all lower class are chavs, nor would I. But a rose by any other name and all that bollocks knowhatimean?

Everyones got their own idea if what a chav is, far as I can see theres only one constant. The type of chav youre refering to is an extension of working class culture which goes back to 50's teddy boys and continues with a different name every decade, namely buying expensive clothes that in a lot of cases the wearer probably shouldnt be spending the money on as its needed somewhere else. This has always been seen as a small 2 fingered gesture at other peoples expected ideas of how someone in that position should be behaving or dressing, its the reason I still wear Fred Perry, a tidy pair of trousers and well kept DM's. To believe this is a form of ignorance is, well ignorant.

Its not often I agree with Julie Burchill, and even then its probably only about half here.

Lots of smug City fans in Manchester after this weekend

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/206036

lates

Absolutely salivating at the thought of the Derby next month

  On 10/18/2010 at 1:42 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Everyones got their own idea if what a chav is, far as I can see theres only one constant. The type of chav youre refering to is an extension of working class culture which goes back to 50's teddy boys and continues with a different name every decade, namely buying expensive clothes that in a lot of cases the wearer probably shouldnt be spending the money on as its needed somewhere else. This has always been seen as a small 2 fingered gesture at other peoples expected ideas of how someone in that position should be behaving or dressing, its the reason I still wear Fred Perry, a tidy pair of trousers and well kept DM's. To believe this is a form of ignorance is, well ignorant.

Its not often I agree with Julie Burchill, and even then its probably only about half here.

It's got nothing to do with how they spend their money, it's about what they spend their money on. For me, the chav/ned/redneck/etc application is about cultural class, and has naught to do with their socio-economic class. Yes I disapprove of teenage pregnancies, and yes I disapprove of anti-social behaviour, whether or not the persons whose actions I disapprove of are poor or rich, makes not a whit of difference.

That Burchill article is a load of twaddle, and making up the term "social racism" dilutes what actual racism is.

And for the record since I'm a student, I am definitely poor, and have never been more than middle-class for my entire life.

  On 10/18/2010 at 1:42 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Everyones got their own idea if what a chav is, far as I can see theres only one constant. The type of chav youre refering to is an extension of working class culture which goes back to 50's teddy boys and continues with a different name every decade, namely buying expensive clothes that in a lot of cases the wearer probably shouldnt be spending the money on as its needed somewhere else. This has always been seen as a small 2 fingered gesture at other peoples expected ideas of how someone in that position should be behaving or dressing, its the reason I still wear Fred Perry, a tidy pair of trousers and well kept DM's. To believe this is a form of ignorance is, well ignorant.

Its not often I agree with Julie Burchill, and even then its probably only about half here.

Chav comes from the Geordie charver (charva). Which in turn comes from Romani gypsy. The theory being that romani gypsies settled on some of the estates in the NE in the sixties, so it's recent slang rather than true Geordie dialect, but has been in fairly widespread use in the NE since at least the early 90's. This is the correct etymology of chav, all the other explanations and bacronyms are complete bollocks.

The term was then appropriated and spread via the internet, then (mis)appropriated by the press and then the misappropriation was misappropriated by various cultural commentators.

It does not refer to working class culture, especially what you are describing above. In fact it was a term coined and popularised by the people you're referring to above, i.e. the living for the weekend, working class flash male, in part to differentiate himself from an underclass of dole scroungers etc.

Dear rest of UK (particularly that fat retarded cunt Julie Burchill),

If you ever try to misappropriate my cultural heritage ever again and then try to sell it back to me as pathetic social commentary that accuses me of being a snob for using my own fucking dialect in the correct manner when you haven't got a a fucking clue yourself, I will kill the cunting lot of you.

Kind regards,

kakapo

  On 10/18/2010 at 10:16 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 10/18/2010 at 1:42 PM, Dirty Protest said:

Everyones got their own idea if what a chav is, far as I can see theres only one constant. The type of chav youre refering to is an extension of working class culture which goes back to 50's teddy boys and continues with a different name every decade, namely buying expensive clothes that in a lot of cases the wearer probably shouldnt be spending the money on as its needed somewhere else. This has always been seen as a small 2 fingered gesture at other peoples expected ideas of how someone in that position should be behaving or dressing, its the reason I still wear Fred Perry, a tidy pair of trousers and well kept DM's. To believe this is a form of ignorance is, well ignorant.

Its not often I agree with Julie Burchill, and even then its probably only about half here.

 

 

It's got nothing to do with how they spend their money, it's about what they spend their money on. For me, the chav/ned/redneck/etc application is about cultural class, and has naught to do with their socio-economic class. Yes I disapprove of teenage pregnancies, and yes I disapprove of anti-social behaviour, whether or not the persons whose actions I disapprove of are poor or rich, makes not a whit of difference.

That Burchill article is a load of twaddle, and making up the term "social racism" dilutes what actual racism is.

And for the record since I'm a student, I am definitely poor, and have never been more than middle-class for my entire life.

Yeah, this is wrong too. Oh, I can't be arsed...