Game of Thrones

Deer: You should check out that link in the hardcore history thread. It will definitely change your mind.

which link?

i dunno why people are so up in arms about this.

If it's at all rooted in medievial history (which it obviously is), the reality was in many cases far, far worse than what's being displayed on tv.

I think I agree somewhat with Mirezzi on the Jungian part of it all....we desperately need to deconstruct the gentle tra-la-la feel of the LOTR franchise and show how brutal, dangerous, and sordid feudal existence was for all involved.

Spoilers need to be behind fucking SPOILER tags, that's my only point. Jesus, it's not hard...

Anyway, yeah, I said the same thing about, "What did people expect?" a few pages ago.

Also, I think it's really odd how quickly people forgot the completely dick move of Robb beheading the old guy recently. He did it because he's actually supposed to be a 16 year-old arrogant know-it-all little prick, not some benevolent lovable hero.

I know why they didn't cast a 16 year-old, but they certainly could have cast an older actor who looked 16.

  On 6/4/2013 at 12:43 AM, Hoodie said:

LOL! I cried like a baby to this scene.

  On 6/4/2013 at 11:57 PM, Deer said:

which link?

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php?page=hharchive

  On 6/5/2013 at 12:10 AM, chim said:

 

  On 6/4/2013 at 11:57 PM, Deer said:

which link?

 

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php?page=hharchive

 

Yeah i love that podcast, its amazing how brutal we were, wosh!.

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Although what he did was horrible i kind of admire Tywin for what did here, he went right to the top and killed the king, he pretty much ended the war against the north without a massiva battle/loss of life, i know he had selfish reasons but he saved a lot of lives by ending the war. Denerys would do something like this, instead of killing everybody is a massiva battle she would go to the top and kill whoever is in charged or find other ways of winning battles without massive loss of live (like they did in the last episode)

The AV Club kills it:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/why-game-of-thrones-red-wedding-packs-such-an-emot,98566

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"I’ve said this over and over when writing about Martin’s work. What he does better than any author I’ve ever encountered—what defines his writing for me—is his masterful skill at exploiting the tension between the desire for justice and the availability of that justice. But that doesn’t mean there is nojustice, just that it’s always hard-won and thoroughly earned. Robb and Catelyn’s grotesque ends complicate the search for justice considerably, and move it far into the future. But it doesn’t make the quest impossible. It just means it’ll be that much sweeter and that much more satisfying when it finally arrives."

 

I'm thinking comicbookgirl19 gives a nice summary of everything in the book which isnt in the series. Haven't read the books though, so I can't tell. Lol

Here,s still a clip

http://youtu.be/8hVrlvRXGxg

yeah ive been enjoying that ladies' reviews as well

I can hardly tolerate her voice, but she is kind of fine as hell. WILL WATCH.

Just saw the finale, not really bothered as it happens. All the characters effected were getting boring. *yawn*

I can't remember clearly but I thought the fate of Robb's unborn heir was not sealed in the books? If so, the stabbing is a spoiler for the series as a whole as I'm pretty sure i was left wondering if his kid may have some part to play in the final books.

you should spoiler stuff from the books man

  On 6/5/2013 at 12:40 PM, messiaen said:

you should spoiler stuff from the books man

Eh? Having watched the last TV episode it's pretty conclusive now for everyone. Since Martin has discussed the ending of the saga with the show's writers (other than the obvious collaborative reasons, in case he dies before he finishes it), it leaves no doubt that Robb's kid does not have any part to play. It's the books that have been spoiled in this case.

That's really interesting.

Yeah, I thought so. Thanks so much for your comment. It was worth it.

(It's not so much the information, more that the source rarely - if ever - gets spoiled by the adaptation).

so ehr is theon greyjoy being tortured by someone from house bolton too? cause it is still not said where he is, right? their sigil kind of makes me think this lol.

  On 6/8/2013 at 10:56 AM, vincentvc said:

so ehr is theon greyjoy being tortured by someone from house bolton too? cause it is still not said where he is, right? their sigil kind of makes me think this lol.

i don't get theon's whole story at this point, seems unnecessary? or does he have some sort of major comeback later? Im not disturbed by the torture scenes necessarily, it just seems tedious and boring.

It's not so obvious who he is for TV-only. I have no idea at this point. What really threw me off was when he dismissed that whole theory Theon came up with, because it sounds like a far stretch that he's really just some crazy fucker.

The problem with him being from the house of Bolton is that Roose Bolton

So what does he have to say about smiley dude doing that to Theon? Or is Theon enough of a nobody that it won't matter?

  On 6/8/2013 at 7:07 PM, chim said:

It's not so obvious who he is for TV-only. I have no idea at this point. What really threw me off was when he dismissed that whole theory Theon came up with, because it sounds like a far stretch that he's really just some crazy fucker.

 

The problem with him being from the house of Bolton is that Roose Bolton

 

 

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is in league with the Lannisters and kills Robb Stark

 

 

So what does he have to say about smiley dude doing that to Theon? Or is Theon enough of a nobody that it won't matter?

It makes sense if you know the history of House Bolton, one of the advantages of being a book reader is that you know backstories that don't make it to the show.

I agree that for Tv viewers it doesn't make lot of sense but Theon's capturer made it clear that at first he was tortured for information now he is just doing it for the lols.

  On 6/8/2013 at 6:21 PM, SR4 said:

 

  On 6/8/2013 at 10:56 AM, vincentvc said:

so ehr is theon greyjoy being tortured by someone from house bolton too? cause it is still not said where he is, right? their sigil kind of makes me think this lol.

 

 

i don't get theon's whole story at this point, seems unnecessary? or does he have some sort of major comeback later? Im not disturbed by the torture scenes necessarily, it just seems tedious and boring.

 

I wouldn't go fishing for more info on it, just wait it out. Someone is bound to drop a spoiler from the books in response to this if you keep inquiring. I was very tempted to do this, as I have a soft spot for certain story archs from the book.

i just wasn't sure if i didn't get something..

  On 6/8/2013 at 9:03 PM, thanks robert moses said:

 

  On 6/8/2013 at 6:21 PM, SR4 said:

 

  On 6/8/2013 at 10:56 AM, vincentvc said:

so ehr is theon greyjoy being tortured by someone from house bolton too? cause it is still not said where he is, right? their sigil kind of makes me think this lol.

 

 

i don't get theon's whole story at this point, seems unnecessary? or does he have some sort of major comeback later? Im not disturbed by the torture scenes necessarily, it just seems tedious and boring.

 

 

 

I wouldn't go fishing for more info on it, just wait it out. Someone is bound to drop a spoiler from the books in response to this if you keep inquiring. I was very tempted to do this, as I have a soft spot for certain story archs from the book.

 

The problem is that book readers don't know where the story is going either, all we have is speculation.

As of right now

  On 6/8/2013 at 10:44 PM, Deer said:

 

  On 6/8/2013 at 9:03 PM, thanks robert moses said:

 

  On 6/8/2013 at 6:21 PM, SR4 said:

 

  On 6/8/2013 at 10:56 AM, vincentvc said:

so ehr is theon greyjoy being tortured by someone from house bolton too? cause it is still not said where he is, right? their sigil kind of makes me think this lol.

 

 

i don't get theon's whole story at this point, seems unnecessary? or does he have some sort of major comeback later? Im not disturbed by the torture scenes necessarily, it just seems tedious and boring.

 

 

 

I wouldn't go fishing for more info on it, just wait it out. Someone is bound to drop a spoiler from the books in response to this if you keep inquiring. I was very tempted to do this, as I have a soft spot for certain story archs from the book.

 

 

The problem is that book readers don't know where the story is going either, all we have is speculation.

 

As of right now

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Theon will be executed by Stannis and that all we know, of course there is that whole thing about the drowned god/iron island mythology. I dont think GRRM will end theon's storyline with a simple execution but for all we know it could all have been pointless.

 

 

I don't think you quite get it, and this is why I refuse to talk about his storyline. Any thing you say at this point will kind of be a spoiler, and whether or not the readers of the book know the full breadth of the story (yes, I have actually read the books), we still know far more than the watchers of the show.

kind of bookish spoiler: