ALIEN / PROMETHEUS / COVENANT / ROMULUS - SPOILERS INBOUND!!

  On 3/10/2017 at 11:59 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 3/10/2017 at 10:37 PM, patternoverlap said:

 

  On 3/10/2017 at 9:13 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 3/7/2017 at 3:37 PM, olo said:

 

  On 3/7/2017 at 3:22 PM, Rubin Farr said:

Development on the sequel to this sequel has already begun:

 

http://io9.gizmodo.com/ridley-scott-already-has-a-script-ready-to-go-for-the-a-1793007316

Who & why designed the chest-burster?

 

It's just gonna be David because he developed some stupid god complex and views androids as the next bastard step in evolution. His stupid lab is pictured below.

And if this ain't right, it's gonna be something equally as stupid.

 

OMG - you are probably right. If it turns out a human-created android created the Aliens we know as Aliens (Xenomorphs)... Ridley needs to just retire at this point, IMO.

Wouldn't that involve time travel? Also it would make it patently absurd that Weyland is funding missions to find something he already indirectly created.

How's time travel involved? Prometheus/Covenant takes place before the first Alien movie...

 

 

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Could totally be wrong, but I thought when they arrive on 223 in Prometheus and discovered the engineers that they were attacked and killed by some iteration of the xenomorphs evolutionary cycle, so assumed that process was already in place. Think I need to rewatch it

the xenomorphs just take on traits from the DNA of the host they burst from, hence the doggie alien in Alien 3, or the engineer one at the end of prometheus. the aliens we all know and love are just a result of their gestating in humans. "who and why?" is just "who are the engineers and what's their deal?".

major spoiler:

this adds so much unnecessary convolution to the elegance of the original. this is trash.

  On 3/12/2017 at 8:32 PM, keanu reeves said:

major spoiler:

 

 

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In the final preview scene, Michael Fassbender’s android David (he’s definitely the same character from Prometheus in this scene, as he’s called David by name) walks Billy Crudup’s character through his personal workshop of biological terrors. He shows off different mutations of the creatures, explaining that he has been trying to understand the aliens that were discovered in Prometheus, going so far as to genetically engineer new versions — a process that’s been waiting for one final puzzle piece to complete.

 

That’s when David takes him into a small chamber filled with four eggs that look identical to the ones seen in the original Alien. The final puzzle piece, David says, is “mother” — a waiting host — and Crudup’s character is lined up for the honor. The dots are easy to connect: the alien as audiences saw it in 1979 wasn’t the result of evolution or natural selection. Instead, it was the result of an android intentionally breeding the most dangerous, lethal creature possible.

 

 

 

this adds so much unnecessary convolution to the elegance of the original. this is trash.

omfg, that's so bad I hope it's true

This is hilarious.

i can't take this shit anymore!!!

*self destructs*

  On 3/12/2017 at 8:32 PM, keanu reeves said:

major spoiler:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

In the final preview scene, Michael Fassbender’s android David (he’s definitely the same character from Prometheus in this scene, as he’s called David by name) walks Billy Crudup’s character through his personal workshop of biological terrors. He shows off different mutations of the creatures, explaining that he has been trying to understand the aliens that were discovered in Prometheus, going so far as to genetically engineer new versions — a process that’s been waiting for one final puzzle piece to complete.

 

That’s when David takes him into a small chamber filled with four eggs that look identical to the ones seen in the original Alien. The final puzzle piece, David says, is “mother” — a waiting host — and Crudup’s character is lined up for the honor. The dots are easy to connect: the alien as audiences saw it in 1979 wasn’t the result of evolution or natural selection. Instead, it was the result of an android intentionally breeding the most dangerous, lethal creature possible.

 

 

 

this adds so much unnecessary convolution to the elegance of the original. this is trash.

  On 3/12/2017 at 8:41 PM, Squee said:

 

  On 3/12/2017 at 8:32 PM, keanu reeves said:

major spoiler:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

In the final preview scene, Michael Fassbender’s android David (he’s definitely the same character from Prometheus in this scene, as he’s called David by name) walks Billy Crudup’s character through his personal workshop of biological terrors. He shows off different mutations of the creatures, explaining that he has been trying to understand the aliens that were discovered in Prometheus, going so far as to genetically engineer new versions — a process that’s been waiting for one final puzzle piece to complete.

 

That’s when David takes him into a small chamber filled with four eggs that look identical to the ones seen in the original Alien. The final puzzle piece, David says, is “mother” — a waiting host — and Crudup’s character is lined up for the honor. The dots are easy to connect: the alien as audiences saw it in 1979 wasn’t the result of evolution or natural selection. Instead, it was the result of an android intentionally breeding the most dangerous, lethal creature possible.

 

 

 

this adds so much unnecessary convolution to the elegance of the original. this is trash.

 

omfg, that's so bad I hope it's true

 

it is true, it was screened at sxsw. also he apparently wants to make a sequel to gladiator where he brings back russell crowe's character. 

  On 3/12/2017 at 9:01 PM, keanu reeves said:

 

  On 3/12/2017 at 8:41 PM, Squee said:

 

  On 3/12/2017 at 8:32 PM, keanu reeves said:

major spoiler:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

In the final preview scene, Michael Fassbender’s android David (he’s definitely the same character from Prometheus in this scene, as he’s called David by name) walks Billy Crudup’s character through his personal workshop of biological terrors. He shows off different mutations of the creatures, explaining that he has been trying to understand the aliens that were discovered in Prometheus, going so far as to genetically engineer new versions — a process that’s been waiting for one final puzzle piece to complete.

 

That’s when David takes him into a small chamber filled with four eggs that look identical to the ones seen in the original Alien. The final puzzle piece, David says, is “mother” — a waiting host — and Crudup’s character is lined up for the honor. The dots are easy to connect: the alien as audiences saw it in 1979 wasn’t the result of evolution or natural selection. Instead, it was the result of an android intentionally breeding the most dangerous, lethal creature possible.

 

 

 

this adds so much unnecessary convolution to the elegance of the original. this is trash.

 

omfg, that's so bad I hope it's true

 

 

it is true, it was screened at sxsw. also he apparently wants to make a sequel to gladiator where he brings back russell crowe's character. 

 

Oh, he's been babbling about that for years.

fuck.

I don't think they could fit any more stupid retcon bullshit into this franchise thab they're doing, even if they tried their hardest.

Thabolous.

  On 3/13/2017 at 4:18 PM, Gocab said:

I don't think they could fit any more stupid retcon bullshit into this franchise thab they're doing, even if they tried their hardest.

 

Thabolous.

agree!

but wait! what about damon lindelof?

it's probably not much of a retcon though, I mean in Aliens the settlers were guinea pigs sent there by Burke to get infected. it was never revealed how much the company actually knew or to what degree they were involved in what happened aside from that, so it probably all still fits.

Changing the space jockey into the engineers definitely counts as retconning; however, the android manipulation of the events in ways we never knew is just a twist...imo.

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Changing the space jockey into the engineers definitely counts as retconning

How? It was never explained who they were. Was just some weird looking dude who was killed by a chestburster. What was changed?

  On 3/13/2017 at 5:21 PM, caze said:

 

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Changing the space jockey into the engineers definitely counts as retconning

 

How? It was never explained who they were. Was just some weird looking dude who was killed by a chestburster. What was changed?

 

The space jockey as it was presented in Alien was much larger than even the huge Engineers we see in Prometheus. The space jockey was also implied to be a bio-mechanoid creature, not a different/better/original version of human as the Engineers are shown to be (same DNA as us). A few quotes and such; it appears that Giger always intended the Pilot to be a creature fused with his ship, as was implied heavily in Alien: http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2008/01/dissecting-derelict-to-explain-more.html

  On 3/11/2017 at 8:40 PM, patternoverlap said:

 

  On 3/10/2017 at 11:59 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 3/10/2017 at 10:37 PM, patternoverlap said:

 

  On 3/10/2017 at 9:13 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 3/7/2017 at 3:37 PM, olo said:

 

  On 3/7/2017 at 3:22 PM, Rubin Farr said:

Development on the sequel to this sequel has already begun:

 

http://io9.gizmodo.com/ridley-scott-already-has-a-script-ready-to-go-for-the-a-1793007316

Who & why designed the chest-burster?

 

It's just gonna be David because he developed some stupid god complex and views androids as the next bastard step in evolution. His stupid lab is pictured below.

And if this ain't right, it's gonna be something equally as stupid.

 

OMG - you are probably right. If it turns out a human-created android created the Aliens we know as Aliens (Xenomorphs)... Ridley needs to just retire at this point, IMO.

Wouldn't that involve time travel? Also it would make it patently absurd that Weyland is funding missions to find something he already indirectly created.

How's time travel involved? Prometheus/Covenant takes place before the first Alien movie...

 

 

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Could totally be wrong, but I thought when they arrive on 223 in Prometheus and discovered the engineers that they were attacked and killed by some iteration of the xenomorphs evolutionary cycle, so assumed that process was already in place. Think I need to rewatch it

 

In Prometheus, the Engineers on 223 were killed 2000 years ago by their biological weapon (the black goo in the vases) - it never implied a xenomorph was what killed them; we see the 'birth' of the xenomorph at the end of Prometheus after the white squid-like creature impregnated the revived Engineer. Biological Weapon DNA + Human DNA + Engineer DNA = Xenomorph.

David infected the guy with the black goo, who then transferred the infection over to Fifth Element girl, who then had a C-Section that birthed squiddo.

The black goo also infected the worms living in the soil on 223, giving birth to that penis viper that killed the two guys left behind.

What someone said previously is the black goo takes on the traits of whatever host it infects.

  On 3/13/2017 at 5:58 PM, auxien said:

The space jockey as it was presented in Alien was much larger than even the huge Engineers we see in Prometheus. The space jockey was also implied to be a bio-mechanoid creature, not a different/better/original version of human as the Engineers are shown to be (same DNA as us). A few quotes and such; it appears that Giger always intended the Pilot to be a creature fused with his ship, as was implied heavily in Alien: http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2008/01/dissecting-derelict-to-explain-more.html

 

it was larger because it was a suit/mechanism the engineer gets into (a bio-mechanical interface). implications and giger's thoughts on the matter aren't really relevant though, none of that was part of the film. also the engineers don't have the same DNA as us, clearly they're quite different, even if we're supposed to be somewhat based off the same building blocks, none of that goes against anything in the original films either.

no, that's just a bunch of retconned nonsense courtesy of lindelof

edit: It's really mindblowing to me that Ridley Scott is so oblivious to what he himself created in the masterpiece that was Alien, it's like he doesn't understand the movie (or what was good about it) at all.

  On 3/13/2017 at 7:06 PM, caze said:

 

  On 3/13/2017 at 5:58 PM, auxien said:

The space jockey as it was presented in Alien was much larger than even the huge Engineers we see in Prometheus. The space jockey was also implied to be a bio-mechanoid creature, not a different/better/original version of human as the Engineers are shown to be (same DNA as us). A few quotes and such; it appears that Giger always intended the Pilot to be a creature fused with his ship, as was implied heavily in Alien: http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2008/01/dissecting-derelict-to-explain-more.html

 

it was larger because it was a suit/mechanism the engineer gets into (a bio-mechanical interface). implications and giger's thoughts on the matter aren't really relevant though, none of that was part of the film. also the engineers don't have the same DNA as us, clearly they're quite different, even if we're supposed to be somewhat based off the same building blocks, none of that goes against anything in the original films either.

The original space jockey looks like it has arms at least 6 feet long, and I'd guess if it could stand would be bout 15-20 feet tall. That ain't no suit. It is also shown to have no demarcation between suit and body (as is shown in the original scene in Alien), implying there is no "big blue Trent Reznor looking dude in a suit" but instead either a huge weird biomechanoid alien or an alien fused fully into his ship like Giger states.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Engineer Read the bit that Engineer DNA and human DNA are virtually the same. Or just watch Prometheus again because they state it.

I think it's more of Scott retconning the shit than Lindelof, but yeah, same shit. Scott's lost his mind.

one important thing.... giger was a genius and ridley is not

Covenant sequel is in works...

Do we think this flick will do well enough for the sequel to get made?