My friend tried to kill someone with his truck

I think jail sentences are usually just too long in general. 20 years is just so fucking long.

10 years is a huge amount of time. Think of where you were 10 years ago. Think of spending all that time in prison.

Maybe he deserves it, I don't know.

If the point is to punish him, then 10 years is plenty.

If the point is to protect society from this guy, then maybe 20 years makes sense.

I dunno. What do you guys think about prison sentences?

  On 5/1/2011 at 1:44 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

you are friend

Why did he do it?

because the pariah told him so

  On 1/11/2014 at 10:47 AM, xxx said:

The problem is that calls for long term psychiatric care have only one answer: where? Hospitald like that do not exist in America anymore. Prisons have become the de facto psych institutions. It begins in youth detention, progresses on to warehouse child/adolescent hospitals with protocols of off-label, dangerous antipsychotic meds, then prison. Profits are untold. The "offender" loses in every way.

yep. good ol' USA!

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Investigators say Prebe told them "he intended to kill" Terry Butler, who is African-American, because he thought he was a terrorist.

This junkyard dawg looks like Sam Worthington with kidney dialysis.

I hope they shave his balls in jail.

You can try to be funny I realize I opened myself up for that, but let's remember he is a real person and I hope no one wishes him harm. He needs psychiatric help I agree an I hope he's separated from general population as that story received a lot of coverage in Florida, and there could be reprisals in prison for trying to kill a black man.

20 years seems stupid for somebody who is "mentally ill". Someone I knew got killed by being hit in the head with a hammer, offender got 3 years. I really don't get it??

  On 4/30/2011 at 6:03 PM, thehauntingsoul said:

I wonder when someone I knew from high school is going to be implicated in a murder or attempted murder case.

It's no fun, when it happened to me, they saw that he had called me the night of the murder [called me to ask for a number for coke, was maybe the only time he had ever rang me and I hardly knew him] and arrested me and confiscated my computers and phone for 9 months.

They also raided the coke dealers house.

Needless to say the coke dealer was very angry, the murderous friend got 17 years and I got 2 days off work to be a witness in court, with my totally cool 'he rang me to ask for a number to buy coke' story which no-one believed.

So hopefully no-one you know will really kill someone, just in case they phone you that night.

tl;dr: Barking Murder Squad don't have the power to retrieve cell phone logs and failed to bruteforce my 6 letter macbook password.

dude the USA is fucked up.

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:10 AM, SR4 said:

dude the USA is fucked up.

 

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

If you had a brain tumor pressing on your prefrontal cortex and you assaulted someone...should you be given a normal jail sentence?

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:13 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:10 AM, SR4 said:

dude the USA is fucked up.

 

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

 

If you had a brain tumor pressing on your prefrontal cortex and you assaulted someone...should you be given a normal jail sentence?

 

Yes?!

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:13 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:10 AM, SR4 said:

dude the USA is fucked up.

 

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

 

If you had a brain tumor pressing on your prefrontal cortex and you assaulted someone...should you be given a normal jail sentence?

 

im just saying that everyone should be considered equally under the law.

the mentally ill pose no threat until we cause them to. i think that the mentally ill should get a jail sentence of only 90 days, because its mostly our fault anyway.

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:17 AM, Friendly Foil said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:13 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:10 AM, SR4 said:

dude the USA is fucked up.

 

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

 

If you had a brain tumor pressing on your prefrontal cortex and you assaulted someone...should you be given a normal jail sentence?

 

Yes?!

 

Umm what? Why?

If your body was possessed by an evil spirit and it went around hurting people, and then it left...should you go to jail?

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:22 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:17 AM, Friendly Foil said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:13 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:10 AM, SR4 said:

dude the USA is fucked up.

 

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

 

If you had a brain tumor pressing on your prefrontal cortex and you assaulted someone...should you be given a normal jail sentence?

 

Yes?!

 

 

Umm what? Why?

 

If your body was possessed by an evil spirit and it went around hurting people, and then it left...should you go to jail?

 

Yes?! You still hurt people.

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:23 AM, Friendly Foil said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:22 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:17 AM, Friendly Foil said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:13 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:10 AM, SR4 said:

dude the USA is fucked up.

 

if we really want to respect mentally ill people, we should give them 90 day sentences no matter what they do. its the only way to be fair.

 

If you had a brain tumor pressing on your prefrontal cortex and you assaulted someone...should you be given a normal jail sentence?

 

Yes?!

 

 

Umm what? Why?

 

If your body was possessed by an evil spirit and it went around hurting people, and then it left...should you go to jail?

 

Yes?! You still hurt people.

 

That is the most insane thing I've ever heard.

I'm fucking speechless.

I won.

Really sad that people don't understand mental illness...or generally how the brain works. Or the concept of agency and decision-making and responsibility.

So like, if you're a narcoleptic and you fall asleep while you're walking and you smash your head on someone's toe and break it...should you be charged with assault?

"Or the concept of agency and decision-making and responsibility."

So that part only applies to sane/healthy people or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

Pretty sure most people are aware of the whole "guilty mind"-concept to be honest. I am, but I just don't agree with it.

This thread has been going nowhere since the beginning anyway, so *leaves thread, waits for "yea u do dat m8, u so stoopid and ignorant"*

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:36 AM, Friendly Foil said:

Pretty sure most people are aware of the whole "guilty mind"-concept to be honest. I am, but I just don't agree with it.

Mental illness only plays into this debate to the extent that it might affect mens rea. The same with a brain tumor.

I honestly can't believe you are saying what are are saying. I'm tempted to throw more hypotheticals at you but frankly I'm scared of hearing your answers.

Well since mens rea doesn't matter, if some suicidal person were to jump in front of Friendly Foil's car then I guess yeah he should go to jail for murder, right? That makes sense.

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:45 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:36 AM, Friendly Foil said:

Pretty sure most people are aware of the whole "guilty mind"-concept to be honest. I am, but I just don't agree with it.

 

Mental illness only plays into this debate to the extent that it might affect mens rea. The same with a brain tumor.

 

I honestly can't believe you are saying what are are saying. I'm tempted to throw more hypotheticals at you but frankly I'm scared of hearing your answers.

 

Well since mens rea doesn't matter, if some suicidal person were to jump in front of Friendly Foil's car then I guess yeah he should go to jail for murder, right? That makes sense.

 

dude you are probably an atheist arent you

LOL, I cannot even begin...honestly, lets just leave it at this.

spirituality is better than you. and mental illness deserves 90 days. spend a few days wrapping your small brain around this. then come back to me and foil and try to make a cohesive argument plzkthxbye #spiritualanti-atheiststheyaredogshitstupid

*tips fedora*

Quick idea: whenever you're tired at work, just tell you've got a sudden mental illness. 90days holiday, all-inclusive and the tax payer pays.

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:23 AM, Friendly Foil said:

 

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:22 AM, LimpyLoo said:

  On 1/13/2014 at 7:17 AM, Friendly Foil said:

Umm what? Why?

 

If your body was possessed by an evil spirit and it went around hurting people, and then it left...should you go to jail?

 

Yes?! You still hurt people.

 

Negative. At the end of Insidious Josh strangles Lin Shaye to death while possessed by the evil spirit of Parker Crane. Then at the start of Insidious 2 the police suspect Josh but can't find any DNA evidence on Lin Shaye's corpse. So it would appear that when a soul is possessed it retains the form of the host physically, but all the DNA/fingerprints of the possessor. A possessed person isn't accountable for their actions at all. It was the same for Regan when she put Burke Dennings and Father Karras through her bedroom window. Although she was a suspect, they couldn't find any DNA on the corpses so you see her drive off at the end with no memory of what had happened. It leaves the police with a lot of paperwork to fill out.